Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[catempire]

The only appeal of tall mids is if they can take a mark and kick a goal (Bont, Fyfe, etc.). Otherwise height seems to be a neutral factor. What’s Knevitt like on that front?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Was rumoured to be an interest of the club now Ollie Hanrahan has been delisted I wander if the club might have a look as a rookie.

We might with our last rookie spot..i sense that we are more concerned about getting talls for coverage so brander and blake etc might be higher priorities than a small forward now we are getting stengle.

 

[BORIS332]

Some good names in there. Id love sonsie will be an absolute gun but i doubt he gets to 22. Im very high on chesser as a player but could be more chance he gets to 22. Ned long is probably another around that 20s/30s mid mark along with roberts. Banks is very underrated as the tassie kids often are i wouldnt be upset at all with him though knevitt would probably be my first choice.

FWIW, out of the 7 phantoms I looked at, Long only appears in one of them.

My concern with Knevitt and Long is their listed 'weaknesses' are kicking. I don't like MIDs that can't kick.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The only appeal of tall mids is if they can take a mark and kick a goal (Bont, Fyfe, etc.). Otherwise height seems to be a neutral factor. What’s Knevitt like on that front.

Knevitt is very good. Raw but gets around the ground very well..athletically really good for speed and endurance..marks well.

 

[cats_09]

The only appeal of tall mids is if they can take a mark and kick a goal (Bont, Fyfe, etc.). Otherwise height seems to be a neutral factor. What’s Knevitt like on that front?

You mean like how Constable is 191cm but not sure we've seen him really use his height as an advantage around the ground, and he's not known for his marking or contested marking ability

So all good to have the height & size but not so good if you don't use it to your advantage

 

[Turbocat]

GMTA just read up on this guy.

draftcentral.com.au

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The improvements would be something id want to know more about... but its not always about what they cant do.

 

[Turbocat]

The only appeal of tall mids is if they can take a mark and kick a goal (Bont, Fyfe, etc.). Otherwise height seems to be a neutral factor. What’s Knevitt like on that front?

In the games I have watched he has consistently done that ..and rested forward at times. Around the ground too and his ability to run allows him to get to contests.

He does use his height , ball in hand in and around packs... is that transferable?

He is not Bont etc. He is need of development.

 

[BORIS332]

It's looking like a pretty strong consensus on the top 20 prospects (below). We're in a very strong position at pick 22 to just wait and see who slips out, given there'll be a bolter or two.

1. Nick Daicos (MID) - 183cm, 72kg - range 1-2
2. Jason Horne-Francis (MID/FWD) - 184cm, 81kg - range 1-2
3. Sam Darcy (FWD) - 197cm, 73kg - range 3-8
4. Finn Callaghan (MID) - 189cm, 82kg - range 4-5
5. Neil Erasmus (MID) - 189cm, 82kg - range 3-11
6. Josh Ward (MID) - 181cm, 79.1kg - range 5-11
7. Ben Hobbs (MID) - 183cm, 80kg - range 5-18
8. Jye Amiss (FWD) - 195cm, 85kg - range 7-19
9. Josh Gibcus (DEF/FWD) - 195cm, 84kg - range 5-20
10. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (MID/DEF) - 188cm, 70kg - range 9-18
11. Matt Roberts (MID) - 184cm, 80kg - range 7-20
12. Matt Johnson (MID) - 192cm, 82kg - range 8-19
13. Joshua Rachele (MID/FWD) - 180cm, 78kg - range 6-20
14. Josh Sinn (DEF) - 186cm, 72kg - range 7-21
15. Arlo Draper (MID/FWD) - 185cm, 76kg - range 12-27
16. Josh Goater (MID) - 190cm, 79kg - range 8-21
17. Tyler Sonsie (MID) - 181cm, 77kg - range 5-28
18. Mac Andrew (RUC) - 200cm, 70kg - range 7-20
19. Campbell Chesser (MID) - 186cm, 83kg - range 13-24
20. Darcy Wilmot (DEF) - 182cm, 75kg - range 12-30

 

[Strange Cat]

Knevitt

I’ll be very pleased if we somehow land him

 

[Shai]

The improvements would be something id want to know more about... but its not always about what they cant do.

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Haven't seen him play so I can't comment, just seems to be 1 of the picks others are talking about for us which is why I looked for more.

 

[Turbocat]

Haven't seen him play so I can't comment, just seems to be 1 of the picks others are talking about for us which is why I looked for more.

I appreciate that ...even when we have seen them its been glimpses... it makes me think ... Wells could drag a name from somewhere...like the Tassy kid and blow up all the pre draft spec.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I think geelong and hawthorn are the two clubs that have been linked most to brander.

Add St. Kilda to that list i am hearing...

 

[catempire]

He is not Bont etc.

Few are.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I collated all of the phantom draft data and it seems these are the MIDs that will be available at our 2nd round picks (of course, Wells will probably see it differently):


Mitchell Knevitt (Vic Country) 181cm, 77kg - MID
A strong inside midfielder, Knevitt has climbed up draft boards across the course of the year after a consistent campaign with the Falcons. Knevitt rated elite in the NAB League for contested possessions, averaging 12.3 a game, and finished the season as Geelong’s second-ranked played behind Noah Gribble. Impressively, he also played four senior Geelong Football League matches for Grovedale, averaging 19.8 disposals. Knevitt has been likened to two-time Brownlow medallist Nat Fyfe given his size, running ability and aerial ability. He has clean and quick hands in stoppage situations and can also hurt opposition sides with his run and strong overhead marking when he gets in space. Knevitt was one of Vic County’s best performers in its Challenge Match against Vic Metro in July, logging 22 disposals, four clearances and six marks.


Edit: all write-ups from NewsCorp's draft dossier.

Looks like Mitch has lost 12 cms...lol. Pretty sure he is around the 193cm mark.

 

[Cat Addict]

I collated all of the phantom draft data and it seems these are the MIDs that will be available at our 2nd round picks (of course, Wells will probably see it differently):

Blake Howes (Vic Metro) 190cm, 79kg - FWD/MID
A hard-working lead-up half forward or wingman, Howes is only a mid-size player but has a real presence in the air and an impressive work rate. Athletically gifted, he also has good agility and is super quick, having recorded the equal- eighth best time in the 20m sprint at the NAB League pre-season testing day with a time of 2.94 seconds. The NAB AFL Academy member and St Bede’s College student had a quiet game for the AFL Academy side against Geelong’s VFL team in April, logging only three disposals. However, Howes showed a lot more in the NAB League this season. He was moved onto a wing for the Dragons in his final few games where he was able to showcase his strong run and carry as well as his overhead marking ability, becoming an important link-up player between the arcs. He was also an All-Australian at under-16 level.

Campbell Chesser (Vic Country) 186cm, 83kg - MID
An athletic rebounding defender or wingman, Chesser is considered to be one of the brightest prospects in this year’s draft pool. The captain of Vic Country’s under-16 side in 2019 and a former national level athletics ace, Chesser has a good mix of speed and endurance as well as good skills. Hailing from Albury, Chesser is boarding at Melbourne Grammar this year to complete his Year 12 studies, while playing for the Dragons in the NAB League. Chesser tore the meniscus in his knee in his second game of the season for the Dragons, which put him on the sidelines for the AFL Academy game against Geelong’s VFL team in April and kept him off the track while he was supposed to be training at Hawthorn. But recruiters are well aware of his talent, as a player that loves to run and carry and has plenty of flair with his ball use.

Connor MacDonald (Vic Country) 184cm, 77kg - MID/FWD
A prolific onballer, MacDonald played in only four NAB League games this season but finished third in the competition for average ranking points among players who featured in at least two games. He rated elite for disposals, contested possessions, marks, goals and score involvements and didn’t have fewer than 24 touches across the four matches. MacDonald’s stoppage craft is lauded and his ability to read taps off the ruckmen’s hands sets him apart with his clearance game. But he has also developed a strong outside game, has good speed and runs hard both ways. For both the Stingrays and Vic Country he has been used as a link-up player coming out of defence, a testament to his strong work rate around the ground to provide an option. MacDonald finished with the equal-most touches of any Vic Country player in its Challenge Match against Vic Metro in July, logging 25 disposals, six clearances, five marks and six inside-50s.

Jesse Motlop (Western Australia) 176cm, 75kg - FWD/MID - Fremantle NGA
The skilful speedster is the son of former Port Adelaide and North Melbourne forward Daniel, and he has the brilliant goal sense of his father. After booting six goals, and impressing through the midfield, in four WAFL Colts games to start the year and starring for Aquinas College, Motlop made his League debut for South Fremantle in July. With his second disposal at senior level, Motlop won the ball off hands at ground level and split two Swan Districts defenders twice, before handing off to a teammate who sent the Bulldogs forward, highlighting his sublime ability through traffic and clean hands. The teenager is part of Fremantle’s Next Generation Academy but he’s unlikely to be available after pick No. 40, when the Dockers would be eligible to match a bid.

Marcus Windhager (Vic Metro) 183cm, 82kg - MID - St Kilda NGA
Coming back from an ACL injury suffered in 2019, Windhager only resumed full training in February this year after a lengthy recovery and consequently had a slower start to the season. However, the high half-forward or midfielder stepped up to every challenge that came his way as the year progressed. A former elite junior in basketball, Winghager represented Australia at the 2018 FIBA Under-15 Oceania Basketball Championships where he helped his country to a gold medal. But football has been the Haileybury College student’s main priority. Windhager has explosive speed off the mark, can weave his way through traffic in the contest, has clean hands and solid foot skills. He caught the eye of recruiters with an impressive performance in a Vic Metro trial game at Werribee in June and recorded 12 disposals and a goal for Vic Metro in its Challenge Match against Vic Country in July.

Mitchell Knevitt (Vic Country) 181cm, 77kg - MID
A strong inside midfielder, Knevitt has climbed up draft boards across the course of the year after a consistent campaign with the Falcons. Knevitt rated elite in the NAB League for contested possessions, averaging 12.3 a game, and finished the season as Geelong’s second-ranked played behind Noah Gribble. Impressively, he also played four senior Geelong Football League matches for Grovedale, averaging 19.8 disposals. Knevitt has been likened to two-time Brownlow medallist Nat Fyfe given his size, running ability and aerial ability. He has clean and quick hands in stoppage situations and can also hurt opposition sides with his run and strong overhead marking when he gets in space. Knevitt was one of Vic County’s best performers in its Challenge Match against Vic Metro in July, logging 22 disposals, four clearances and six marks.

Sam Banks (Tasmania) 186cm, 73kg - DEF/MID
An awkward landing in a marking contest against Eastern Rangers in Round 4 of the NAB League resulted in a broken wrist for Banks in major blow to his top-age season. He consequently missed the AFL Academy game against Geelong’s VFL team in April and a bit of the season with the Devils, but the injury won’t hurt his draft chances come the end of the year. A rebounding defender, Banks had caught the eye of recruiters in his first two games of the season. The NAB AFL Academy member is damaging by foot, loves to run and take the game on possesses great leadership.

Sam Butler (Vic Country) 184cm, 73kg - FWD/MID
The younger brother of St Kilda forward and Richmond premiership player Dan Butler, the Rebels player is viewed as more advanced than his brother at the same age. A small to medium sized forward, he can also have a run onball and impact games with great speed and sound skills. Like his brother, he also loves the tackling and pressure side of the game. Butler missed some games with a chest injury in the middle part of the season but shone brightly in most NAB League games he did play this year, including a 27-disposal, five-clearance, seven-tackle and two-goal performance against Gippsland Power in Round 8. He is a player that AFL clubs have been keeping close tabs on throughout the year and is seen as someone who has all the traits to be able to step up to the top level.

Tyler Sonsie (Vic Metro) 181cm, 77kg - MID
A smooth mover with excellent foot skills, Sonsie is a player who runs hard to break the lines and finds plenty of the footy. Well exposed in 2019, he impressed during the under-16 national championships for Vic Metro and played six NAB League games for the Ranges including the Grand Final loss to Oakleigh Chargers. However, Sonsie has further stepped up his game this year, starring in the opening rounds of the NAB League season before earning a VFL opportunity with Box Hill. His debut VFL appearance against Werribee in Round 4 was stunning, with Sonsie logging 24 disposals, six clearances and two goals. The AFL Academy member also played in April’s clash against Geelong’s VFL team but was relatively quiet in that match. He missed Vic Metro’s Challenge Match against Vic Country in July with a knee injury, but is still viewed as a likely top-10 pick.

Zac Taylor (Vic Metro) 180cm, 74kg - MID
A damaging right-foot kick and clearance beast, Taylor is an inside midfielder who is as tough as nails and works as hard as anyone. One of the top-rated players in the NAB League this season, the Cannons’ ace ranked elite in the competition for disposals, marks, clearances and score involvements. He rarely wastes the ball by foot, is agile on his feet, is composed under pressure, has clean and quick hands at stoppage and has taken his work rate and leadership to new levels this season. He is also defensively-minded with a strong tackling and pressure side of his game and laid nine tackles in one NAB League game against Geelong Falcons this year. Taylor featured in one match for Essendon’s VFL side this year and was one of Vic Metro’s better players in its Challenge Match against Vic Country in July, logging 21 disposals, five marks and four clearances. Across his final three NAB League he averaged 168 SuperCoach ranking points to put some icing on the cake and further pique the interest of recruiters. Taylor also made his senior football debut for Oak Park in the Essendon District Football League this year.


Edit: all write-ups from NewsCorp's draft dossier.

Thanks for the extract was a great read

Of the list I am more interested in the pure mids and would be interested in:
Tyler Sonsie
Mitchell Knevitt
Zac Taylor
Connor MacDonald
And bid on Marcus Windhager

 

[BORIS332]

Some good names in there. Id love sonsie will be an absolute gun but i doubt he gets to 22. Im very high on chesser as a player but could be more chance he gets to 22. Ned long is probably another around that 20s/30s mid mark along with roberts. Banks is very underrated as the tassie kids often are i wouldnt be upset at all with him though knevitt would probably be my first choice.

Here's some 2019 footage of Banks, looks to have a piercing kick.

 

[Jackington]

The improvements would be something id want to know more about... but its not always about what they cant do.

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This a Strengths v Improvements for Long or Geelong's current playing 22?

 

[Cat Addict]

I appreciate that ...even when we have seen them its been glimpses... it makes me think ... Wells could drag a name from somewhere...like the Tassy kid and blow up all the pre draft spec.

This is why I am happy enough not to trade up and just take the current draft hand in. Unless on draft night there is a known player on the board that has slid we know won’t be available with our next piece and we can trade up using one of our future 3rds. Wells will be able to work his magic with the draft hand he has, even has a sneaky pick 45 I am sure.

 

[year of the cat]

Had a listen..about the 8min mark.... sound like (atm) that we will assess our needs after the draft. Which to me means... that if the right player is available to draft we may do that then address balance with DFA's.







Considering we like versatility , and the fact we gave Neal some games down back at times this year ..id not excluded any sort of arrangement. Could Tsap be mobile enough to play some games down back next year. He is a green stick in football, he probably needs developement everywhere... very hard to know with out seeing them... i really look forward to seeing some VFL next year.

On talls would it surprise me if we go for someone who slips thru late..I guess it depends on our picks in the end ...let's say leek who is 20yo if he is there late? Looks strong over head but has a touch of Sav about his kicking. If however we see the mids we like then that changes it and we look at dfa options..



Personally as I have said.. I'm keeping an open mind on names cause I have rarely got it right and even then the players I have liked have not always worked... I looked at the kid you mentioned. I agree he reads good. Good runner , strong over head etc. A player that has the natural size you can give time to.

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I’m not sure we’d consider Leek unless he happened to fall to one of our last couple of picks which seems very unlikely. Think mids will be the order of the day.

Long was very highly regarded at the start of this year before both injury and covid cut his season short. He’s apparently a terrific personality too and had leadership qualities in spades. I like that. Not sure we’ll look at him unless we miss out on Knevitt. Pies and Hawks have spoken to him is all I know.

 

[Cat Addict]

Here's some 2019 footage of Banks, looks to have a piercing kick.

Nice composure too, looks on the smaller side, what’s his stats?

 

[BORIS332]

This is why I am happy enough not to trade up and just take the current draft hand in. Unless on draft night there is a known player on the board that has slid we know won’t be available with our next piece and we can trade up using one of our future 3rds. Wells will be able to work his magic with the draft hand he has, even has a sneaky pick 45 I am sure.

We have to trade up or out of this draft. We have five picks and only four senior list spots.

 

[Cat Addict]

I’m not sure we’d consider Leek unless he happened to fall to one of our last couple of picks which seems very unlikely. Think mids will be the order of the day.

Long was very highly regarded at the start of this year before both injury and covid cut his season short. He’s apparently a terrific personality too and had leadership qualities in spades. I like that. Not sure we’ll look at him unless we miss out on Knevitt. Pies and Hawks have spoken to him is all I know.

Don’t have to worry about the Pies

 

[Cat Addict]

We have to trade up or out of this draft. We have five picks and only four senior list spots.

We have 5 picks now with Constable being delisted?

 

[Jackington]

This is why I am happy enough not to trade up and just take the current draft hand in. Unless on draft night there is a known player on the board that has slid we know won’t be available with our next piece and we can trade up using one of our future 3rds. Wells will be able to work his magic with the draft hand he has, even has a sneaky pick 45 I am sure.

Yeah, Wells record in the draft is really strong in the range where our picks currently sit.

Anything top 20 (since Selwood) has historically been pretty poor/average for us, and if there was any year Wellsy was going to find a diamond in the rough (or multiple) it's probably the year that nobody knows as much as they would like to about the players outside of the top ten-twenty.


Nine list spots currently available including rookies, probably see Constable and maybe Brownless re-rookied, Stengle in and maybe Brander, leaves room for all of 22, 30, 32, 34, 50 (40ish) to be drafted. Exciting to see what happens.

 

[Vimal Anand]

Hi guys, sorry to intrude, what you guys think of Blake Howes? Some phantom drafts in the forum have geelong taking him at pick 24..

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