Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[dangerwood]

To be fair i think a lot if that was because tanner got drafted interstate during covid.
If he got drafted to hawks or ess or rich etc i doubt he would have been clamouring to come back to us after 2 years (in the same way clark wont be as easy to get back imo if a vic club takes him). Henrys circumstances are unique (big vic club to then come back to us).

You're spot on I reckon. We've definitely got some go home factor pull for genuine country kids who want some space (which is still limited) but I'm not sure it's going to be a huge factor for inner city Geelong or suburban kids drafted to Melbourne clubs.

 

[MacStradbroke]

I watch most games every week and if WC have rejected Karl Amon’s compensation pick for Junior Rioli then I’m completely mystified.

14 goals from 13 games this year and there were many moments where it looked like he stopped trying/caring. He’s as worthless as it gets when it comes to draft picks.

I sympathise with him losing his father as I know how it feels and I lost mine when I was younger than Junior. He owes West Coast for keeping him for those two years.

Agree with your last sentence, totally disagree on his ability.

 

[Burtyl78]

For a starters we didnt have many injuries and i doubt we get that lucky again next year.
Secondly we didnt rotate that aggressively this year as hawkins still played 25 games as did guthrie, smith 24 tuohy 24 (and only missed 1 due to covid) blitz 24 duncan 22 etc. Other than selwood (danger was injured) we werent that aggressive with resting players.
If we get more aggressive and most of theguys only play 20 games then you can get 15 games into 28-30 players so i assume thats what we are planning.

I have a feeling Henry will be tried as a back

 

[Johnny Cattery]

Is there any news on a contract for Zac Guthrie? I'm a bit mystified by the silence, but asking mainly because I have a feeling we might be looking for at least another couple of list spots. It matters because recently, like many clubs, we seem to prefer to draft cohorts or at the very least a pair of close friends. Contrastingly, if we went to the draft with something like 7 and a couple of very low picks, there's a risk that Pick 7 ends up (demographically) on their own. And any genuinely new draftees are already likely to feel a bit isolated if we are able to bring in a couple of third-year players who are not only friends, but have friends/family on our list. They aren't as likely to be looking to make new mates in the way that most draftees are.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I have a feeling Henry will be tried as a back

Ive had the same thought at times and while hes not a huge size to take the gorillas he could certainly work as a 3rd tall in defence with development on his defensive game.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Is there any news on a contract for Zac Guthrie? I'm a bit mystified by the silence, but asking mainly because I have a feeling we might be looking for at least another couple of list spots. It matters because recently, like many clubs, we seem to prefer to draft cohorts or at the very least a pair of close friends. Contrastingly, if we went to the draft with something like 7 and a couple of very low picks, there's a risk that Pick 7 ends up (demographically) on their own. And any genuinely new draftees are already likely to feel a bit isolated if we are able to bring in a couple of third-year players who are not only friends, but have friends/family on our list. They aren't as likely to be looking to make new mates in the way that most draftees are.

Article a few weeks ago that zac will sign for 2 years to take him to FA. Assuming no retirements its only sav (contracted, does he want a trade) and simpson (possible delist or re rookie)that are in doubt.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Is there any news on a contract for Zac Guthrie? I'm a bit mystified by the silence, but asking mainly because I have a feeling we might be looking for at least another couple of list spots. It matters because recently, like many clubs, we seem to prefer to draft cohorts or at the very least a pair of close friends. Contrastingly, if we went to the draft with something like 7 and a couple of very low picks, there's a risk that Pick 7 ends up (demographically) on their own. And any genuinely new draftees are already likely to feel a bit isolated if we are able to bring in a couple of third-year players who are not only friends, but have friends/family on our list. They aren't as likely to be looking to make new mates in the way that most draftees are.

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[Nickoo]

I don't much like this sort of conjecture at this stage.

Let's wait and see how all these fantastical fever dreams pan out.

Agreed. Nothing has actually happened except speculation. I doubt Bowes makes it Geelong with pick 7 so that knocks off a lot. But as a thought few really focussed on Holmes trading till the finals this year and how that got done. But for every Holmes there’s a Krueger type trade that looked great but didn’t pan out.


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[Nickoo]

I still look forward to seeing what this famous ‘culture’ looks like in 5 or 6 years time when Selwood, Hawk, Danger, etc are no longer with us. I cant recall our culture being so highly spoken of through our 07 - 11 period, makes me think it may be player related more so than club. Time will tell.

Was it leading teams that came in end of 2006? From that point fwd geelongs culture was continuously talked about.


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[Nickoo]

Tuohy probably will be next year. Completely normal for ageing players.

And Smith I’d say.


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[gogeelongcats]

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[Nickoo]

I think you can turn over 4-6 in a year if each one is an upgrade on form but i agree i wouldnt want to turn over more of the starting 18 than that in one year.

A couple of things.
Firstly we might not have as good an injury run next year as this year (we basically only lost danger and menegola from the starting 22 for long periods) so trade ins allow us to cover injuries without losing games as a result.
Second the older guys will need more managing as they are a year older eg i doubt hawk and smith will only miss one game between them next year.

Third i can see real circumstances in which all of hawkins smith stanley rohan menegola tuohy (ceglar will move on too but i havent included him as he is prob not best 22) go at the end of 2023 so this is probably only a one year problem anyway once we hit 2024 and those guys are gone and danger duncan guthrie and blitz are all well into their 30s there is room for everyone.

I think we also lost Holmes for an extended period also.


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[Baudolino]

I have a feeling Henry will be tried as a back

Where's the position for him in that backline? There's no spot for him at the moment and nor is it likely that one will open up for him in the near future. Defence is the one area of the ground where our age demographic skews pretty young/prime years, with only Tuohy likely to retire within the next few seasons. Just look at this age distribution:

SDK - 21
Henry - 24
Zuthrie - 24
O'Connor - 25
Kolodjashnij - 27
Bews - 28
Stewart - 29
Tuohy - 32

And then on top of that we're being linked with Connor McKenna, who is 26. If he comes in that's 9 AFL standard defenders on our list, 8 of whom haven't turned 30 yet, without even mentioning O. Henry.

The only spot realistically available to him is as a Rohan replacement.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Where's the position for him in that backline? There's no spot for him at the moment and nor is it likely that one will open up for him in the near future. Defence is the one area of the ground where our age demographic skews pretty young/prime years, with only Tuohy likely to retire within the next few seasons. Just look at this age distribution:

SDK - 21
Henry - 24
Zuthrie - 24
O'Connor - 25
Kolodjashnij - 27
Bews - 28
Stewart - 29
Tuohy - 32

And then on top of that we're being linked with Connor McKenna, who is 26. If he comes in that's 9 AFL standard defenders on our list, 8 of whom haven't turned 30 yet, without even mentioning O. Henry.

The only spot realistically available to him is as a Rohan replacement.

Swing J.Henry forward giving a spot for O.Henry to play in the backline. Problem Solved.

 

[God Mode]

Swing J.Henry forward giving a spot for O.Henry to play in the backline. Problem Solved.

Or just keep them where they are. Why are we swinging a player who's played predominantly fwd to the backline and vice versa? Maybe for periods during a game we can try this as an alternative but I wouldn't imagine it'd be something long term.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Or just keep them where they are. Why are we swinging a player who's played predominantly fwd to the backline and vice versa? Maybe for periods during a game we can try this as an alternative but I wouldn't imagine it'd be something long term.

nah i was talking smack for the memes. Oliver has a good spot in the fwd line- no need to go to defense for no reason lol

 

[tielgaz]

I just can’t see a fringe Collingwood player being worth a first.

And yes I know he has potential, but just personally I feel he’s put a big price tag on himself.

I have a feeling Henry will be tried as a back

Seriously, no chance !

 

[tielgaz]

Treads a fine line but I guess you can keep talking about the wat Tanner Bruhn looked on draft night. It would be a shame to see another Falcon look like that etc.

That’s no going to happen! Why do you

If clubs are speaking with Jhye Clark (knowing Geelong will likely have pick 7) both he and his manager will be making it clear he wants to get to Geelong. Consider current go home factors at play ….. manager simply states - “look you can draft him but don’t say you weren’t warned, he’ll look for a trade home to Geelong in two years so just avoid the trouble and draft someone who wants to join your club”. It’s draft manipulation but clubs will be all over it based on recent history. Bruhn and Henry just gives it more weight.

If Geelong have pick 7 he’ll get to Geelong with that pick.


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that won’t happen! Geelong isn’t a different state, if he gets picked up by a Melbourne club, he can still come home. Do we know he wants to stay at Geelong, might want to get out!

 

[Warhorse]

Why draft Clark when we can grab him in 2 years for peanuts

 

[Stokey]

I equal parts love and hate trade period.

Everyone just nominate us and get it done already.

 

[Turbocat]

Same, but different: The strategy behind Suns' startling salary dump

Michael Whiting dives into Gold Coast's unusual list strategy ahead of the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

.... At the end of 2020 it was Elijah Hollands. That period also netted Connor Budarick

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, Malcolm Rosas jnr, Alex Davies and Joel Jeffrey via the club's Academy.

That's 11 players either drafted in the top 30, or capable of being taken that high if they weren't pre-selected Academy players.

If stabilising the list with long-term deals – many of them on generous contracts to ensure they stayed after the previous departures – was the first phase, retention of young talent was the next.

While so many high-end picks are great, it can also put the salary cap into difficulty in a real hurry.

Once the standard two-year contract is served, a player selected in the first round will often get the average AFL wage ($370,000) or higher for years three and four.

For the Suns, that means a big chunk of their cap can be consumed by players yet to fully prove themselves. They're paying on potential, rather than performance.

You could call it a necessary evil of having so many high draft picks.

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IF Gold Coast are so focused on clearing space by NOT having too many early picks .... Maybe we should look to get 5 off them as well.


Who will they be looking to add this year. Probably a bit early I wonder if Hollands brother appeals.... the uniting of brother is all the rage.

 

[Turbocat]

I equal parts love and hate trade period.

Everyone just nominate us and get it done already.

Only a week and half to go. It all starts Monday...

 

[Finknottle]

Henry is more valuable than Bruhn, worth a first rounder in a heartbeat.

How do you come to that conclusion? His form dropped off a cliff this year and the last game he made the 22 was round 17 where he got 5 disposals and didn't hit the scoreboard. Collingwood played another 9 games after that including finals. He was sub in round 18 and 23 but wasn't required in either game. He would be no guarantee to get a game at Geelong based on his 2022 form.

 

[Rosso]

If we hit with even 3 of our 4 targets all players will need to fight for their spot. That's not a bad thing.
Also add injury, suspension, resting or the dreaded general soreness and there'll more likely be a larger squad of players used. Especially given that we won the Granny by resting the older players to ensure that they were right come finals time, you can bet your life that we'll be going down the same path.

I'd rather have good players missing out than gifting games to those who haven't commanded them.

 

[Rosso]

Henry, Bruhn, Bowes and McKenna are not filling any immediate need. They are more so improving our list and giving us some additional young talent. All 4 would be great but it's not like we are in dire straights if we don't get them all in.

Realistically, Holmes replaces Joel for round 1. Barring injuries, that's the side as at today. It's up to everybody else on the list come final lodgement to give the selection committee reason enough to rethink selection.