Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Turbocat]

Why draft Clark when we can grab him in 2 years for peanuts

If only we knew for sure ..that in two years time , after spending the first two years developing in the VFL somehwere else...he wanted a trade to Geelong.

Haw look the club that may pick Clark before us ...and if he goes there I doubt he is leaving for us two years, they will play him..... but then again. I thought Henry would stay at the Pies too.

Brisb
North
West Coast
Giants
Ess
Gold Coast
Haw
Pick7>Pick8


Looking at the way the R1 might look .... If GWS get a truck load of picks for Hopper and Taranto ... I wonder if they try another early pick upgrade as they have done in the past ..and do a pick upgrade with west coast. They might think they can get two off Busslinger, Hewitt and Ginbey with later picks

 

[Shadow89]

Same, but different: The strategy behind Suns' startling salary dump

Michael Whiting dives into Gold Coast's unusual list strategy ahead of the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

.... At the end of 2020 it was Elijah Hollands. That period also netted Connor Budarick, Malcolm Rosas jnr, Alex Davies and Joel Jeffrey via the club's Academy.

That's 11 players either drafted in the top 30, or capable of being taken that high if they weren't pre-selected Academy players.

If stabilising the list with long-term deals – many of them on generous contracts to ensure they stayed after the previous departures – was the first phase, retention of young talent was the next.

While so many high-end picks are great, it can also put the salary cap into difficulty in a real hurry.

Once the standard two-year contract is served, a player selected in the first round will often get the average AFL wage ($370,000) or higher for years three and four.

For the Suns, that means a big chunk of their cap can be consumed by players yet to fully prove themselves. They're paying on potential, rather than performance.

You could call it a necessary evil of having so many high draft picks.

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IF Gold Coast are so focused on clearing space by NOT having too many early picks .... Maybe we should look to get 5 off them as well.


Who will they be looking to add this year. Probably a bit early I wonder if Hollands brother appeals.... the uniting of brother is all the rage.

Have genuinely thought for a bit that part of what we'll do is trade up to Pick 5 (Rankine) on the night with GC if we get Pick 7, if we get a sniff that Clark will go to Hawthorn. Trade them future picks for their academy bids next year. May even do it prior to the night, with an agreement during the Bowes trade if it happens. Basically all and sundry know we want Clark, so everything we do draft wise will likely revolve around that

 

[Turbocat]

Have genuinely thought for a bit that part of what we'll do is trade up to Pick 5 (Rankine) on the night with GC if we get Pick 7, if we get a sniff that Clark will go to Hawthorn. Trade them future picks for their academy bids next year. May even do it prior to the night, with an agreement during the Bowes trade if it happens. Basically all and sundry know we want Clark, so everything we do draft wise will likely revolve around that

It depends on who they like for themselves. Loosing Rankine do they look at Shezzel. Taking Hollands would help weld the older brother to the club but its probably early to take him at 5

The clubs seem to get a good feel for who the others are looking at.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

I wonder if there is a chance Hopper doesn't get to Richmond, we can maybe get next year for free. Otherwise, I wonder what free agent targets we have in mind for 2023,2024.
Would Harry Himmelberg be one, Hugh Mcluggage?

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

Have genuinely thought for a bit that part of what we'll do is trade up to Pick 5 (Rankine) on the night with GC if we get Pick 7, if we get a sniff that Clark will go to Hawthorn. Trade them future picks for their academy bids next year. May even do it prior to the night, with an agreement during the Bowes trade if it happens. Basically all and sundry know we want Clark, so everything we do draft wise will likely revolve around that

We could ask for 5 rather than 7, especially if a player is involved and other clubs are agreeing to trades like 7,31,bowes for essendon 2023r1.
We could do 5,25,bowes for 18, sav, 2023r1.gws might do 5,36 for 12,19 Bruhn.

That means we trade 18,36 , 2023r1,Sav for Bruhn, 12, 19, 25. Ignoring the difference between 18,19, that is

Sav,36,2023r1 for Bowes, 12,25.

 

[foxdog50]

If clubs are speaking with Jhye Clark (knowing Geelong will likely have pick 7) both he and his manager will be making it clear he wants to get to Geelong. Consider current go home factors at play ….. manager simply states - “look you can draft him but don’t say you weren’t warned, he’ll look for a trade home to Geelong in two years so just avoid the trouble and draft someone who wants to join your club”. It’s draft manipulation but clubs will be all over it based on recent history. Bruhn and Henry just gives it more weight.

If Geelong have pick 7 he’ll get to Geelong with that pick.


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My better mate is Clark 1st cousin... yes he would take the opportunity if he played for Geelong, but it won't worry him were he goes,as his open to go anywhere.
Plus his family are all mad Collingwood fans, plus his dads business do sponsor Collingwood ( in a small way ) him going doesn't mean anything regarding him getting to Collingwood, I'm just saying more than anything

 

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story says the 2-year contract (2023-24) is on the table but this is from before the prelim ... confirmation that it has been signed?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Where's the position for him in that backline? There's no spot for him at the moment and nor is it likely that one will open up for him in the near future. Defence is the one area of the ground where our age demographic skews pretty young/prime years, with only Tuohy likely to retire within the next few seasons. Just look at this age distribution:

SDK - 21
Henry - 24
Zuthrie - 24
O'Connor - 25
Kolodjashnij - 27
Bews - 28
Stewart - 29
Tuohy - 32

And then on top of that we're being linked with Connor McKenna, who is 26. If he comes in that's 9 AFL standard defenders on our list, 8 of whom haven't turned 30 yet, without even mentioning O. Henry.

The only spot realistically available to him is as a Rohan replacement.

Not necessarily.
As good as guys like zuthrie and kolo and oconnor have been they are still bottom 6 in our 2022 i wouldnt be sure they wont get pushed out of the 22 (who would have predicted parf this year). And a couple of those like tuohy and oconnor can play up the field so theres room to fit ollie in there if we want.

Also we literally have zero backup key defenders (assuming sav is traded) so if henry spends some time playing vfl it wouldnt be surprising to see him used there.

All of that said theres a good chance we are buying him to be a marking forward simply because rohan and hawk are near the end.

 

[GeelongFTW]

story says the 2-year contract (2023-24) is on the table but this is from before the prelim ... confirmation that it has been signed?

I wouldn't be top concerned. Zuthrie has more important things to worry about these few weeks. Besides what do you think hes gonna do? Request a trade? Go to the psd?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It depends on who they like for themselves. Loosing Rankine do they look at Shezzel. Taking Hollands would help weld the older brother to the club but its probably early to take him at 5

The clubs seem to get a good feel for who the others are looking at.

Sheezel is a massive flight risk id be staggered if gws or gc took him.
Hollands is an obvious fit for gc but 5 is probably a touch early for him which means they might be willing to trade back.

 

[bombersboy]

Not necessarily.
As good as guys like zuthrie and kolo and oconnor have been they are still bottom 6 in our 2022 i wouldnt be sure they wont get pushed out of the 22 (who would have predicted parf this year). And a couple of those like tuohy and oconnor can play up the field so theres room to fit ollie in there if we want.

Also we literally have zero backup key defenders (assuming sav is traded) so if henry spends some time playing vfl it wouldnt be surprising to see him used there.

All of that said theres a good chance we are buying him to be a marking forward simply because rohan and hawk are near the end.

Zach Guthrie and Kolo are lock best 22 even if they are bottom 6 (it’s a while since I have gone through and ranked my best 22). Kolo can play on talls and stalls. Plus the MC love them because they will do what is asked of them and sacrifice their game to play a role. Hard to see anyone pushing them out. Unless a new in is is a tall mobile key defender if they are a defender they are playing a lot of VFL unless there are injuries.

 

[bombersboy]

I get why both Bruhn and Henry are rated as worth a first round pick. Both were first round picks, have had 2 years worth of development invested in them and have played senior footy. I just do not want to pay overs for either of them.
Bruhn I am not sure about. From the bits I have seen of him he looked a little “tentative” at the ball.
Henry has great hands for his size but the concern I have is that in 2 years he has not added a defensive side to his game. I’m sure we can help him develop if he is a kid that will listen.

 

[dazbroncos]

story says the 2-year contract (2023-24) is on the table but this is from before the prelim ... confirmation that it has been signed?

I’ve seen nothing from club.. thry didn’t announce smith officially either
Pisses me off

Go Catters

 

[Turbocat]

Sheezel is a massive flight risk id be staggered if gws or gc took him.
Hollands is an obvious fit for gc but 5 is probably a touch early for him which means they might be willing to trade back.

Was not thinking on flight risk just replacement of type. I like the idea of them taking Hollands. If was them id investigate moving back to where they take Hollands and get something into next year with the pick 5

 

[Kobe Gryant]

How do you come to that conclusion? His form dropped off a cliff this year and the last game he made the 22 was round 17 where he got 5 disposals and didn't hit the scoreboard. Collingwood played another 9 games after that including finals. He was sub in round 18 and 23 but wasn't required in either game. He would be no guarantee to get a game at Geelong based on his 2022 form.

I think he's projecting to the future what he means is goal kicking forwards are harder to find than solid midfielders when at their peak.

I believe Bruhn will be a really good player for us, but I doubt he'll be a top 5-10 midfielder in the game. Midfielders who aren't in this echelon are still valuable, every side needs them, but they're much easier to find historically with late picks, shrewd trading etc.

Henry on the other hand, if he reaches his potential is a much harder type of player to find. That third tall position is so valuable when the player is also a noted goal kicker, not just there to provide a contest.

We'd know this as well as anyone. We've spent the best part of 10 years watching it be Hawk or bust through the forward line until this year...funnily enough with more avenues to goal we win the flag.

 

[Rockford]

Wish list for me would be we bring in all of Henry, Bruhn, Bowes and Jhye Clark via P7. Not out of the realm of possibility and would be an amazing result for a trade/draft period coming off a Premiership

 

[calder_daddy]

Wish list for me would be we bring in all of Henry, Bruhn, Bowes and Jhye Clark via P7. Not out of the realm of possibility and would be an amazing result for a trade/draft period coming off a Premiership

Clark won’t be there at pick 7 which will become 8

 

[D BRIDGE]

Ollie Henry has got a bit of Bailey Fritsch about him.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Have genuinely thought for a bit that part of what we'll do is trade up to Pick 5 (Rankine) on the night with GC if we get Pick 7, if we get a sniff that Clark will go to Hawthorn. Trade them future picks for their academy bids next year. May even do it prior to the night, with an agreement during the Bowes trade if it happens. Basically all and sundry know we want Clark, so everything we do draft wise will likely revolve around that

Do we?? I know a lot of banter on our pages indicate it.
But thats just us... The BF Cats nuffies... yes yes i am one of them lol.
But do we really... Does wells/mackie think the same way?
Are we more enamoured with Cadman? Wells perfect replacement for Hawkins in 2 years time??
Does Wells rank Elijah Tsatas the 2nd best Mid?
Does he think the other Elijah is better than most pundits think?
Is Brayden George a similar yet different version of Dusty Martin?
Looking at our list going forward i am trying to see what is needed in 2025-26 not the next two years as they would be lucky to have any real impact IMO.
What have the list managers been doing behind the scenes regards of a few future free agents or potential trade targets.
I think that there will be a few picks that will blindside the so called draft guru pundits this year.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Ollie Henry has got a bit of Bailey Fritsch about him.

Noooo NOOOO... Please Noooo....
I hate that smart arse selfish RUNT!!
I nearly spilt my coffee FFS... LOL.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Wish list for me would be we bring in all of Henry, Bruhn, Bowes and Jhye Clark via P7. Not out of the realm of possibility and would be an amazing result for a trade/draft period coming off a Premiership

Halls Head? Called it home in 1990 for 6 months. Small world... lol
Those 4 would be a perfect way to end what has been a great year.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Sheezel is a massive flight risk id be staggered if gws or gc took him.
Hollands is an obvious fit for gc but 5 is probably a touch early for him which means they might be willing to trade back.

Heard an interview with him and i think he's be an easy pick for either interstate clubs.
More so the Sydney side as they have a strong Jewish community which would make his move all that much easier.
Loyalty being one of his strongest attributes. Which is a plus for any side that nabs him going forward.
In saying that he is a Hawthorn Nutbag Fanatic... lol

 

[D BRIDGE]

Noooo NOOOO... Please Noooo....
I hate that smart arse selfish RUNT!!
I nearly spilt my coffee FFS... LOL.

It's very common to hate talented/dangerous oppo players.

Hating someone is a sign of them being good.

If we gert Henry... I hope everyone outside of Geelong hates him.

 

[fpm84]

How do you come to that conclusion? His form dropped off a cliff this year and the last game he made the 22 was round 17 where he got 5 disposals and didn't hit the scoreboard. Collingwood played another 9 games after that including finals. He was sub in round 18 and 23 but wasn't required in either game. He would be no guarantee to get a game at Geelong based on his 2022 form.

It’s a lot harder to find AFL quality forwards than midfielders - just ask Melbourne.

The fact Henry got dropped from a top 4 team late in the season is irrelevant. There is nothing surprising about a young exciting forward burning out towards the end of a long season. The likes of Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Logan McDonald have also been in and out of their teams over the last two years - both will be elite. Henry has already shown enormous potential (received a Brownlow vote at age 19 this year), which is so much harder to find than a Bruhn type midfielder.

For what it’s worth I know a few Pies fans who think that if they won their prelim, Henry would have replaced Ash Johnson in the GF given Johnson was awful in both the semi and prelim (zero goals across the two games).

Henry is statistically performing as well as Jamarra over their first two seasons, I’ve posted it before, but I have seen every game Henry has played for the Pies and I’ve never been more confident of a player becoming a 40+ a year goalkicker for the next decade.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

It's very common to hate talented/dangerous oppo players.

Hating someone is a sign of them being good.

If we gert Henry... I hope everyone outside of Geelong hates him.

Nah... it can't be that.
It's the selfish part i hate and the arrogance of the bloke.
Yep. Thats it lol.