Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[year of the cat]

Really hoping that Kroeger gets a clear run of it on the injury front this year. Think the kid has talent. Him on opposite wings to Holmes could work.

 

[Warhorse]

2 men short up forward actually... Ginnivan was a very close 2nd in worst on ground

Disagree. If Ginnivan didn't play, Hill would unlikely to have had as much freedom.

 

[feelinfeline]

Mmm I'd say Daniher, Dunkley, Bailey and Coleman were all much better.

Frampton completely took him out of it the first half. Worked his way into it the second half.

McCluggage was better than Andrews too, and also arguably Cameron and McInerney.

 

[SkittleCats]

I dont really see it.
For starters wines is contracted to 2026 and likely their next captain as soon as next year.
I dont see why he would want out when hes settled there.
Secondly at 29 hes unlikely to be still around for our next big flag push in 3-4 years, if he was 26 id agree it with it but i dont see a fit.
If port were dumping him cheap sure but they would want sav and a 1st for wines and theres no chance id agree to trade our r1 next year.
I dont see it happening.

The way it was explained to me by the person i spoke to yesterday was that Wines is being included because Port dont have much else to trade with this year (unsure if it is us that are bringing his name into it or Port though).

I get the feeling that the club may not be happy with a future pick from Port for Sav. So they want to maximise the value they get from Sav in this years trade/draft period and thats where Wines name comes into it (plus pick swaps, but dont know if our 1st is involved).

Personally i agree with you, i dont like it much, and hope it doesnt happen.

 

[stac]

To bring in Ollie wines and Baz would be a fair off season
Would allow us to move max and Blitz to permanent wings
Danger to play more forward

Port maybe looking at moving Ollie on as they will need cash next year to sign butters, Marshall, Rozee, Duursma, and quite a few others not to mention they need to find picks or players to accommodate the three guys that have nominated them this year

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Haha come on, the last line is the only truth in these lines (and good luck to him too).

Kissed on the you what by you know who old Billy boy .

Maybe - but HA only had 5 in the first half so Billy definitely did his role then.
I’ll confess to bias as my son played Development Squad with him and catches up with him when he’s back home.
The WA boys - Cripps, Gardiner and Frampton are a tight bunch.
I’ll let you know what he thought of the game if he comes over for a beer

 

[moond0g]

I see it the other way..for me we arent winning a flag while danger etc are left (cameron maybe if hes still going at 33-34).
Our window is when we have a core mass of bruhn sdk both ollies clark knevitt conway holmes neale etc (plus whoever we draft with our r1s this year and next) at prime age (25-27) with a few older heads at 30 or so (which will be guys like miers atkins jack henry etc supporting them).
Wines doesnt fit that window.

Granted things can turn around quick and collingwood were 17th 2 years ago but id be surprised if we win a flag in 2 years.

Id only take wines if he was drastically cheap like tom mitchell was (pies gave up henry and 41 and 50 for mitchell and 25). But hawks had a reason to sell him cheap as they are rebuilding. Port think they are in a flag window so they wont sell wines cheap. Its a no from me.

The club has shown for a long time that they will back themselves in to win each year. So I doubt they are thinking with of a 4 year timeline on our next shot at the flag. I’m grateful to support a club that will try to win each year rather than going a perpetual rebuild.

Also half the players you mention have played <10 games. Seems risky to be pinning your chances on a flag on players like that. I’m not necessarily sold on Wines, he’d have to come cheap. But we clearly need midfield reinforcements, and if he is the best on offer this year, and not too expensive, you have to consider it at least

 

[year of the cat]

Will know more over the next few days I suspect but if Smith is gettable for a reasonable deal (pick 7 plus a F2) then I’m in. Don’t want our FF to be traded under any circumstances though.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Will know more over the next few days I suspect but if Smith is gettable for a reasonable deal (pick 7 plus a F2) then I’m in. Don’t want our FF to be traded under any circumstances though.

I'd actually almost trade our F1 over our #7 this year if given the choice.

 

[stac]

I am open to the club trading any picks that get us the quality players we need.
The club is the only ones who know what is possibly playing out next year and the year after.
If we are looking at a free agent next year they may feel if we don’t have a round one pick then the other club will not match.
Or they may feel with Carlton, Adelaide and GC there will be plenty of round one picks that will be up for offer

 

[ShaunWDT]

Future picks will be on a key forward I reckon, lot of quality out of contract 2024 and 2025 and well be without Hawk and Jez before we know it.

 

[Hinkley29]

Happy birthday to Ablett Snr…. My boyhood idol and best player Ive seen! Happy Birthday Gazza!

He didn’t win a flag, must be no good NO EXCUSES

 

[Hinkley29]

He’s a backman/ruck who was played as a forward. Regardless, he tried his hardest and did enough to stop Andrews dominating the game.

Berry deserves far more criticism.

Berry deserves criticism, and will have a few nightmares from the game.

But Frampton essentially consigned his team to playing 17 on 18.

Frampton was wayyyyy worse

 

[Two Planks]

Has there been any talk about what our salary cap situation is. Do we have cap space to spend.

 

[Chinacats]

He didn’t win a flag, must be no good NO EXCUSES

Geez your attempts at humour have ran thin… rinse & repeat & not funny! Moving on…..

 

[Turbocat]

Future picks will be on a key forward I reckon, lot of quality out of contract 2024 and 2025 and well be without Hawk and Jez before we know it.

whether we use them or trade them ... the 2024 picks will be valuable. I could see our first being used ina trade for a Cadman type player ...if we are allowed. If we use our R1 this year it gives us flexability next year

 

[Turbocat]

Has there been any talk about what our salary cap situation is. Do we have cap space to spend.

We must have room...considering the players we have lost .. and we have not brought anyone in.

 

[Hinkley29]

Geez your attempts at humour have ran thin… rinse & repeat & not funny! Moving on…..

I must try harder to be funny NO EXCUSES

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Literally any A-Grader in the midfielder would just about do it.
But we absolutely need a clean bill of health to start with. Without that our season is ****ed before it starts. Pies were ragged at the end and just got over the Lions, but they were banking wins early in the season when they didn't have injuries. And when they copped injuries it happened after they had top 2 stitched up and could rest players.

Add a decent midfielder and Guthrie into a team that has now has gotten a full season into guys like Bruhn, Henry and Bowes to get them used to the Geelong system, along with anyone else we might trade in, and add in we have a full preseason + in theory an easier fixture next season and theres absolutely no reason we aren't top 4 and pushing for a Premiership.

None of the top 4 this year were impressive and flags the next few years are very gettable from the top 6.

Bang on mate.

Guthrie, Clark, a clean bill of health, and genuine pre-season will be enormous, but we still need one more for mine.

Sanders is a mature enough body to impact early, but gun to my head Bailey Smith feels like the man.

 

[fpm84]

Jon Ralph:

 

[And_ROOS]

To bring in Ollie wines and Baz would be a fair off season
Would allow us to move max and Blitz to permanent wings
Danger to play more forward

Port maybe looking at moving Ollie on as they will need cash next year to sign butters, Marshall, Rozee, Duursma, and quite a few others not to mention they need to find picks or players to accommodate the three guys that have nominated them this year

Would you want Blicavs on the wings? 2022 was massively successful because we mainly had Holmes and Smith with speed on the wings. Blicavs is a running machine but he is an AA because he rucks and then becomes a very tall midfielder. Not sure we would be wise having him on the wings.

The best wingers the last 5 years have a few things in common. Speed, good decision making and depth with their kicking.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

This is how much of nothing we got to talk about.

We are talking about Billy Frampton.

The dude is walking around laughing his head off.

I'll take 23 spuds if they play in a winning GF every day of the week.

Pies just won the flag and he is a premiership player forever.

They got the last laugh... everyone else, including us are losers.

Weird comment.

It's GF day, it's the pinnacle of our sport regardless of who's playing off.

Of course it's going to garner some comments in here. Everyone's looking at how the Cats can get back there, and they're looking at the many weaknesses an obvious challenger in Collingwood has.

It's been mentioned ad nauseum, but there's not going to be anything juicy until post the GF. It might even take till the start of the trade period, clubs are so tight lipped these days, the best we can get is any alleged 'ITK' news.

The Thomas thing looks dead in the water, Smith feels like a real possibility, but still a week or so away from anything legit been released.

Wines might be something, it might not, likewise Lord, and then there's probably some lesser names in the pipeline that we're yet to hear about.

Thw thread will heat up big time over the next month with the aforementioned names, and maybe even a couple surprises....but it's hardly strange or 'loser talk' that some folks are mentioning the GF. It's Christmas day for footy fans.

 

[CatRiot]

Cats might be doing a deal to bring in Cheap Wines, as well as a bloke with three day growth. Not sure if either are the mystery mid though.


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[Vdubs]

Would you want Blicavs on the wings? 2022 was massively successful because we mainly had Holmes and Smith with speed on the wings. Blicavs is a running machine but he is an AA because he rucks and then becomes a very tall midfielder. Not sure we would be wise having him on the wings.

The best wingers the last 5 years have a few things in common. Speed, good decision making and depth with their kicking.

Holmes and Caleb Windsor, great wingers for the now and the next 8-10 years.

Weird comment.

It's GF day, it's the pinnacle of our sport regardless of who's playing off.

Of course it's going to garner some comments in here. Everyone's looking at how the Cats can get back there, and they're looking at the many weaknesses an obvious challenger in Collingwood has.

It's been mentioned ad nauseum, but there's not going to be anything juicy until post the GF. It might even take till the start of the trade period, clubs are so tight lipped these days, the best we can get is any alleged 'ITK' news.

The Thomas thing looks dead in the water, Smith feels like a real possibility, but still a week or so away from anything legit been released.

Wines might be something, it might not, likewise Lord, and then there's probably some lesser names in the pipeline that we're yet to hear about.

Thw thread will heat up big time over the next month with the aforementioned names, and maybe even a couple surprises....but it's hardly strange or 'loser talk' that some folks are mentioning the GF. It's Christmas day for footy fans.

Small point, but Pies are NOT the challengers.
I do wonder if they can keep up the intensity a third year .
The evergreen Pendles and Sidebottom were crucial for them yesterday, and are going around again.
The heat did not deter their output, and their fitness as a team is way superior to all other teams.
This is an area we can not compete in, and will keep us from being legitimate contenders, UNLESS we can rectify this with our lengthy off season.
Our captain is said to do the BARE MINIMUM at training, and that is not leading by example.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The way it was explained to me by the person i spoke to yesterday was that Wines is being included because Port dont have much else to trade with this year (unsure if it is us that are bringing his name into it or Port though).

I get the feeling that the club may not be happy with a future pick from Port for Sav. So they want to maximise the value they get from Sav in this years trade/draft period and thats where Wines name comes into it (plus pick swaps, but dont know if our 1st is involved).

Personally i agree with you, i dont like it much, and hope it doesnt happen.

Im not disbelieving you and i wont ask for your source but if its true it sounds to be like we are asking for him (no way would port be trying to shop him) and its probably us trying to muscle port into offering more for sav ie we will target your players if you dont offer a better pick.

Hes got 3 years on contract, theres no indication he wants to move, and as i said even if he did its not worth us breaking the bank for him at his age. And port wouldnt deal him unless the deal benefits them (hawthorn didnt care with mitchell as they were just wanting his spot for younger guys and werent playing finals. Port think they can win the flag so they wont trade wines unlesd the deal strengthens their list). If we could get him for say a late 2nd and sav (like coll with mitchell) then sure id consider it but realistically port wont trade him for less than a r1 and id be staggered and disappointed if we did that. Hes not yet in the deledio level of cookedness but hes not worth us risking that much on.