Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Shadow89]

I just think that to simply state that anything 12+ will be useless is ignorant.

Personally, I still can't believe that the only way to judge a players future is simply how he presents at 17/18yo. It is still so immature. Some kids might have the physical ability, but may lack the mental fortitude to apply it for another few years yet.

I think 'useless' is a bad way to put it. I think more 'crapshoot', is probably the more apt way to look at it. I've got 10-15 or so kids post the Top 12, that I'm very interested in. If we were to get any of these, I'd be happy. That said, there's also another 25-30 that I'm a bit like 'oh I'm not so sure about them.' It's definitely one of the worst drafts in recent memory bar the top end, and this is a flow on from the lack of exposure during COVID.

I would say next year is where it will start getting back to normal, and then should ramp up in 2025 again. If only 50 kids are taken this draft as many have speculated, you'll know why so few clubs are wanting to take more than 2 or 3 of them when all is said and done.

 

[Turbocat]

If they wanted 8, it'd be 15, 17 and 18 for 8 and a Future 2nd. The offers will be big on draft night.

I'm not sure I would not trade our Fr2 for 18. Based on us needing picks next year and the draft being mid strong next year id like to keep our representation in 2024.

I would want a deal like 15 and 17/18 and an upgrade of our future 2nd. Does that come on draft night? Or do they need 8 to get a deal done. That single figure pick has strong value due to the perception of the fall off in talent.

 

[fpm84]

 

[Footy Smarts]

I just think that to simply state that anything 12+ will be useless is ignorant.

Personally, I still can't believe that the only way to judge a players future is simply how he presents at 17/18yo. It is still so immature. Some kids might have the physical ability, but may lack the mental fortitude to apply it for another few years yet.

Nobody's saying every player taken 12+ will be useless. Some of them will make it. But the vast majority won't cause there are probably 10 less high level talents in this draft than in the average draft.

Between the lack of talent and the players going to academies you can probably add 15 to any pick outside the top 12 to get its realistic value in a typical draft.

Would you trade 8 for 30, 32 and 33? Of course not! That doesn't mean a pick in the 30s can't make it just that it's much, much less likely than a top 10 pick. Picks 15, 17 and 18 in this draft will give you access to about the same level of talent as 30, 32 and 33 would in a typical draft.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I would say next year is where it will start getting back to normal, and then should ramp up in 2025 again. If only 50 kids are taken this draft as many have speculated, you'll know why so few clubs are wanting to take more than 2 or 3 of them when all is said and done.

They said on trade radio yesterday that a couple of recruiters have said they think there may only be 40/45 selections.

Not sure how many there will be but boy oh boy if there was actually 40 taken that would be crazy low.

Our last selections in the draft would come in so much that they would even be terrible and it would make trading Sav for Ports 2nd rounder (like lots of people were saying) like trading him for the last pick in the draft.

I'll just guess that there will be more than 50 for the hell of it, but this draft certainly is not rated at all.

 

[BORIS332]

How can Port claim they're 'shocked'. We've asked for a first round pick from day 1, then they traded out their future first and offered us a second. What did they expect us to do?

 

[Footy Smarts]

They probably should've checked that pick would get it done before doing the terrible trade with Freo for their future first.

 

[moond0g]

Sounds like OHenry last year.

I still expect it'll be done, and will centre around pick 24

 

[Turbocat]

Pick 8 is definitely the cut-off this year. After that it gets very speculative. I'd much rather one of Sanders/Curtin/Caddy/O'Sullivan than any two of the next group.

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Is that your list Boris? Its fair assessment but Id suggest there is a lot of speculation in how good a player will develop. One doesnt really know till time down the track.

I think Windsor , Wilson, Edwards , Stevens ... can be very good afl players. Guys like Delean, Moir, Collard are talented.. how do they adapt to the afl system. Mitch Edwards as a ruck ... could be a Conway type where in 4 years time you look at the picks used and are glad you invested in him.

Id agree guys like Twomey have had that top10 locked for most of this year. They probably are the stand out kids playing against kids.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Very much so. Neale to my eye anyway looked much more dangerous in the late AFL game he played than he did in the VFL this year.

Neale even won the ball overhead.

In the VFL games he took most of his marks on the lead. AFL brings the ball in to the forward much more quickly and a lot more to the advantage of the forward.

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Neale needs games. It's time to roll the dice on him

 

[No Quarter]

Nobody's saying every player taken 12+ will be useless. Some of them will make it. But the vast majority won't cause there are probably 10 less high level talents in this draft than in the average draft.

Between the lack of talent and the players going to academies you can probably add 15 to any pick outside the top 12 to get its realistic value in a typical draft.

Would you trade 8 for 30, 32 and 33? Of course not! That doesn't mean a pick in the 30s can't make it just that it's much, much less likely than a top 10 pick. Picks 15, 17 and 18 in this draft will give you access to about the same level of talent as 30, 32 and 33 would in a typical draft.

For the record, while I didn't say 15/17/18 I did say picks inside the top 30, at leas heh

 

[CatToTheFuture]

That's not true at all. The below is from June:



Source

You can quote our club saying the same thing about Whyte at the same point of his contract

 

[bombersboy]

Plenty of talent around, Stephens would have been good for us, Harmes would have been good for us, Jordon would have been good for us, any ruckman would have been good for us, just because YOU dont like any of the players on offer doesnt mean they wouldnt help the team, i can tell you now id much rather Harmes in the side next year instead of Tuohy, he's absolutely cooked!!

It's pretty simple mate we do not have draft picks to trade with.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yep. Neale looked a far better player to my eye in the AFL game he played late this season.

He even marked overhead.

In the VFL his main game in mat has I saw was to lead up. Probably sick of wobbly slow movement going deep into F50.

AFL presents to forwards advantage much more often and more quickly.

I like Lord. Even before his right place right time final , he showed sticky fingers in late season games and got under the ball a lot like the young Richmond ruck /forward whose name escapes me.



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Sampson Ryan?

 

[Turbocat]

They trade their own Fr1 out ..so we could not ask for it.... now the only way we get our Fr1 ..is if tehy can work some sort of three way with Ess ... Woudl Ess trade their Fr1 for Duursma and future back ?

Its funny for years everyone said Geelong were good to deal with when we rolled over and coughed up the deal quickly. The last few years have seen a tougher approach from us... and I doubt we are the fav's top deal with any more. What a shame.

 

[D BRIDGE]

They probably should've checked that pick would get it done before doing the terrible trade with Freo for their future first.

I can only assume that they did... But didn't believe us when we said no it wouldn't.

I certainly reminds me of the Henry trade last year when we traded in a similar pick and all thought "well that pick must be agreed upon to get Henry" and then It just didn't get the job done.... But it was eventually part of the trade but we had to work and add more to it to get Henry.

I'm hoping we are eyeing that Freo F2 that Port hold and can snag that with maybe our F3 going back to them.

Anyway if we can get more value than 24 then it will probably feel like a decent result.

Personally, I love that we have not just rolled over and are making Port work for him.

If it ends up blowing up in our face and costing us losing him for nothing, I'm fine with risking it and It's just the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[catempire]

Sounds like OHenry last year.

I still expect it'll be done, and will centre around pick 24

Take it to the bank.

 

[No Quarter]

we rolled over and coughed up the deal quickly. The last few years have seen a tougher approach from us... and I doubt we are the fav's top deal with any more. What a shame.

This sentence is a bit strange. You can't have both, can you? Which would you prefer? We just get robbed time and time again?

 

[Shadow89]

Coolies, now they've got their 'outrage' story which will drag on 'til 6pm next Wednesday.

Drumming up hysteria for the masses. Walk him to the PSD and make sh*t interesting for once, I really don't care anymore, haha.

 

[Shadow89]

This sentence is a bit strange. You can't have both, can you? Which would you prefer? We just get robbed time and time again?

TC's being facetious

 

[Turbocat]

Nobody's saying every player taken 12+ will be useless. Some of them will make it. But the vast majority won't cause there are probably 10 less high level talents in this draft than in the average draft.

Between the lack of talent and the players going to academies you can probably add 15 to any pick outside the top 12 to get its realistic value in a typical draft.

Would you trade 8 for 30, 32 and 33? Of course not! That doesn't mean a pick in the 30s can't make it just that it's much, much less likely than a top 10 pick. Picks 15, 17 and 18 in this draft will give you access to about the same level of talent as 30, 32 and 33 would in a typical draft.

I understand the logic ... but that a very big change. Which players are the ones that convert 15 into 30? Are you saying we have etn or so bids before P15?

Walter
Read
Rogers
Croft

 

[No Quarter]

TC's being facetious

Ahh right, gotcha

 

[D BRIDGE]

Can I confirm that we can still up our offer and re-sign Sav after trade period if no trade is made?

When is the latest we can re-sign him before PSD nominations?

 

[rocker_oz33]

What's happening today
Not much probs

 

[Shadow89]

Morris reporting that we had a crack, but Port already in discussions to extend Lord - so ain't gonna happen. Now we ask for 24 and Freo Future 2nd, to really piss them off