Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I don’t doubt we’re interested in smith. But I’m not sure if we are willing/able to come up with enough to appease the dogs while he’s contracted for next year.

And I don’t know l if there’s anyone else available that will significantly boost us next year.

Agree to an extent.

Wines isn't the sexy pick, but with a good pre-season to build fitness again he could be our answer to Tom Mitchell this year with the Pies.

I watch a bit of Port, if I had to choose one they'd be my second team, and he was clearly hampered this year.

They rushed him back and he never really got going + playing forward flank/wing.

I'd do it if it's cheap as I believe he could be a real steal for us for a couple years, but I wouldn't want to be giving up anything of value for him.

Smith's a bit different. You can justify a heavier price tag as at his best he can be the guy we need post Danger and can lead Clark, Holmes, Bruhn etc into the new era.

I wouldn't be surprised if we paid a price that was seen as 'overs' just to satisfy the Dogs.

There's one last crack next year with this side, and we're going to need a player like him to do it.

Unlike Wines though, he can still be around for the next tilt which would be influencing the Cats thinking IMO.

 

[Mr Meow]

Duncan, Danger, Hawk, 2E, Stanley, Guthrie. These guys are not gonna get better and there's a lot of pressure on the kids to elevate to next level but I don't think Bruhn, Clarke, Atkins Parfitt and Bowes are a threat to any teams and will get steam rolled again, unless we land Smith can't really see us doing to much better next year. We have one of the weakest midfields going around and we're still too dependent on Danger and Guthrie.

This post could've been made (maybe shuffle 2 or 3 player names from each list) after 2019, 2020 and 2021 and nobody would be able to tell the difference. The next years a grand final, preliminary final and premiership were achieved.

I suspect our window won't extend that long but it absolutely does to 2024 if we get everything right and have a good run.

 

[Mr Meow]

Again, we learn that gun key forwards are not the key difference in big finals.

We are in trouble against Collingwood next year. Our backline much to big to contain their small forwards

I would say small lockdown defender is a need

We do need one but none would be ready for next year.

O'Connor is required in that role, or fast tracking Mullin, or hoping Bews bounces back.

O'Connor De Koning Z.Guthrie
Hill Miochek Elliot

Duncan J.Henry Stewart
Adams McStay McReery

IC: Mullin or Bews
Ginnivan

 

[Mr Meow]

This is how much of nothing we got to talk about.

We are talking about Billy Frampton.

The dude is walking around laughing his head off.

I'll take 23 spuds if they play in a winning GF every day of the week.

Pies just won the flag and he is a premiership player forever.

They got the last laugh... everyone else, including us are losers.

Any reason you're becoming almost combative?

I'm not usually frequenting this thread after our season ends but the atmosphere is certainly tenser than I expected.

 

[Mr Meow]

As suggested above, but it is a big IF at present.
I hope Danger's finals media commitments have made him even hungrier for another tilt.

More importantly, we need some other players to move past him for times in our best players/match winning performances (Danger was still one of our most frequent Brownlow and Coaches vote winners). The 23-30 year old crowd, I'm looking at you.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah but the numbers are misleading because their data is skewed by cox being 31 as is elliot, plus whe and sidebottom and pendlebury and howe.

As good as a lot of those players are only howe really plays in a key position for them at this point the rest are role players.

Whereas danger hawkins cameron stanley guthrie blicavs and duncan all play key critical positions for us and are over 30.

Coll also have better quality players in that crucial 25-28yo age bracket like de goey moore maynard josh daicos noble (i know he missed but he was crucial this year) mcstay cameron plus mitchell and adams pushing 30. Cameron is bog average but the rest are very good to elite. Whereas our players in the same age bracket really are only moc atkins kolo bews bowes sav jack henry and zuthrie. Apart from henry and atkins we dont have the same quality in the middle age bracket.

Bizarre comment. Pendlebury and Sidebottom remain hugely important for them and stepped up in those tight finals to get them over the line.

Every sides older players skew their age profile. Howe, Elliot, Mitchell, Adams and Crisp aren't spring chickens but all were important players this season.

 

[Smurph18]

Obviously Tom Brown from Richmond has connections to Geelong since his dad played here. He signed a contract end of last year until 2025. Does anyone have any intel on him? Is he someone that would potentially be keen to come to the cats in a few years time? I’m sure Mackie has his eyes on him. Hasn’t shown anything yet with limited opportunities, but was a first round pick in 2021 (the future pick we traded to tigers that landed us Holmes)

 

[Warhorse]

Obviously Tom Brown from Richmond has connections to Geelong since his dad played here. He signed a contract end of last year until 2025. Does anyone have any intel on him? Is he someone that would potentially be keen to come to the cats in a few years time? I’m sure Mackie has his eyes on him. Hasn’t shown anything yet with limited opportunities, but was a first round pick in 2021 (the future pick we traded to tigers that landed us Holmes)

Only if he has improved. Was hopeless when I watched him in the VFL

 

[Hinkley29]

We do need one but none would be ready for next year.

O'Connor is required in that role, or fast tracking Mullin, or hoping Bews bounces back.

O'Connor De Koning Z.Guthrie
Hill Miochek Elliot

Duncan J.Henry Stewart
Adams McStay McReery

IC: Mullin or Bews
Ginnivan

Bews is 29 years old (will play next year at age 30). At that age he more than likely bounces back after an injury-plagued 2023. We shouldn’t be throwing dirt on his grave just yet.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Only if he has improved. Was hopeless when I watched him in the VFL

He was decent in his afl debut at the back end of this year. But positionally he doesnt really fill a need for us.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Obviously Tom Brown from Richmond has connections to Geelong since his dad played here. He signed a contract end of last year until 2025. Does anyone have any intel on him? Is he someone that would potentially be keen to come to the cats in a few years time? I’m sure Mackie has his eyes on him. Hasn’t shown anything yet with limited opportunities, but was a first round pick in 2021 (the future pick we traded to tigers that landed us Holmes)

Yeah I didn't see enough to get remotely enthused...
PASS.

 

[Smurph18]

Yeah I didn't see enough to get remotely enthused...
PASS.

Only if he has improved. Was hopeless when I watched him in the VFL

I agree, he hasn't set the world on fire, but I think we are quick to judge opposition rookies, yet we rate our own so highly! Averaging around 19 touches and 4 marks in 10 games in VFL and showed a decent performance in his debut AFL game. If that was Murdoch this board would say hes Tom Stewart 2.0.

Not saying he is a requirement at the moment, but one to keep an eye out for over the coming seasons. I wonder if he was hoping to get drafted to the cats?

 

[Warhorse]

I agree, he hasn't set the world on fire, but I think we are quick to judge opposition rookies, yet we rate our own so highly! Averaging around 19 touches and 4 marks in 10 games in VFL and showed a decent performance in his debut AFL game. If that was Murdoch this board would say hes Tom Stewart 2.0.

Not saying he is a requirement at the moment, but one to keep an eye out for over the coming seasons. I wonder if he was hoping to get drafted to the cats?

I had real concerns on him defensively. Leaks a lot of goals

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Agreed. Wines was either injured or cooked or maybe both.

I think he's just been overtaken by better younger players. It's a lot of cash tied up for Port in him when player out of position like he has been. Like 6% of their cap on a part time mid rotation?

 

[MacStradbroke]

Why not lower the eyes a little? Rhylee West at the dogs. He does not butcher the ball as much as Bailey Smith and I believe wants more on ball time. Is a guy who looks to give everything when he plays.

Little hidden gem there possibly in Rhylee West. Regularly played out of position (for obvious reasons), a definite breakout prospect if a club can grab him and play him as a mid.

 

[Mr Meow]

Bews is 29 years old (will play next year at age 30). At that age he more than likely bounces back after an injury-plagued 2023. We shouldn’t be throwing dirt on his grave just yet.

I had no idea the IC spot is a grave. If he can't keep Mullin out it would be purely form-based. Regardless of Bews being in the team, O'Connor replacing Tuohy in defence gives us a better balance of managing oppositions smalls/mediums.

 

[Warhorse]

Why not lower the eyes a little? Rhylee West at the dogs. He does not butcher the ball as much as Bailey Smith and I believe wants more on ball time. Is a guy who looks to give everything when he plays.

I would be happy to have him on our list

 

[Grimoz]

Little hidden gem there possibly in Rhylee West. Regularly played out of position (for obvious reasons), a definite breakout prospect if a club can grab him and play him as a mid.

Would he leave though considering his old man's connection to the doggies, pretty big name at Whitten oval!! Doggies wouldn't want to see that happen.

 

[cats_09]

 

[Mr Meow]

What would the right offer be in Bulldogs eyes? Likely pick 7 and whatever Sav comp we get, I imagine.

Would that be win-win? It's a hefty price to pay but he does still have potential to be one of the best mids in the comp. He's not there yet though, so surely isn't worth two first-rounders + change.

Taranto went for 12 and 19, but had still achieved a bit more I reckon, and of course 7 is a step up from 12.

 

[Shadow89]

Oh the trade whisperer...funny dude

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I agree, he hasn't set the world on fire, but I think we are quick to judge opposition rookies, yet we rate our own so highly! Averaging around 19 touches and 4 marks in 10 games in VFL and showed a decent performance in his debut AFL game. If that was Murdoch this board would say hes Tom Stewart 2.0.

Not sure we do...
Don't think so...

 

[Turbocat]

What would the right offer be in Bulldogs eyes? Likely pick 7 and whatever Sav comp we get, I imagine.

Would that be win-win? It's a hefty price to pay but he does still have potential to be one of the best mids in the comp. He's not there yet though, so surely isn't worth two first-rounders + change.

Taranto went for 12 and 19, but had still achieved a bit more I reckon, and of course 7 is a step up from 12.

Something that involved Holmes ...

 

[Turbocat]

I agree, he hasn't set the world on fire, but I think we are quick to judge opposition rookies, yet we rate our own so highly! Averaging around 19 touches and 4 marks in 10 games in VFL and showed a decent performance in his debut AFL game. If that was Murdoch this board would say hes Tom Stewart 2.0.

Not saying he is a requirement at the moment, but one to keep an eye out for over the coming seasons. I wonder if he was hoping to get drafted to the cats?

I think he is the type that happens to just fall into your lap if the new coach wants to move the fridge magnets. As it stands ..id say clubs will be looking for legs speed from D rather than intercept marking. Zac Guth has probably taken the role he might have in the side atm.

 

[Turbocat]

any chance to link the podcast ? Seems to be yet another X thing that only those with accounts can listen to.

For the right deal you are gone....sort of says they might take less to move him. If the Dogs really just want him gone .. I wonder if we split our R1 and added a Fr2 ... would that get it done.