Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Cursed Cat]

Reminds me of when we recruited project ruckman Dawson Simpson. I thought he was coming along beautifully, and I was there the day he did his knee in a freak ruck contest. Pretty sure that had a big impact on our 2013 flag chances. We smashed the Saints by over 100 points and looked to be flying. We had Vardy, Brown, West, Walker, a young Blicavs as backups, but NO true ruckman.

He was coming along beautifully. Super tricky position to get right in so many ways. Often just nullifying your opponent is enough.

But it's one of those bring-a-knife-to-a-gun-fight positions; you can get by, but there is usually 1 or 2 teams/players who will ruthlessly exploit inadequate ruckmen.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Anyone who thought it was a reach for geelong to tell port we want a first round pick for Esava well.
Dodoro has entered the chat
First round pick for Zerk Thatcher!

Suddenly it looks like we might have to settle for Ollie Wines and Ollie Lord

Wine-Lord sounds like a hell of a party combination

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

John Ralph saying Essendon's offer is 780K pa and not worth Band 1 compo.

If true, then no pick 3. Which I hope is the case since they've already got an extreme leg up in the draft the past 3 years.

Gives a higher chance of a top end player for us to be there at our pick.

 

[CatRiot]

Not interested. He’s supposed to be on >1.1mil next year.

The difference with bowes is we think he can become a solid contributor in his own right for years to come. I don’t think we’re in the position to consider paying that kind money to take on 31yo role player with our list demographic.

Can't you split his contract if it's just one year, and give him 2 years for say 1.2m. He probably would do it.

Eoin McElholm

I don't mind this guy. Looks pacey and a lot of tricks and can finish. 6 foot tall. Probably a nifty small forward, or even a small defender or even in an outside mid. Number 11 in the White and red team.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think carlton are a good chance of finishing very high with the list they have.

They should. But, in what is a long Carlton tradition, they're probably the same odds of Voss getting the full backing of the board

 

[Vdubs]

Suddenly it looks like we might have to settle for Ollie Wines and Ollie Lord

Wine-Lord sounds like a hell of a party combination

Would be a record for the most number of any Christian names in a team.
Ollie Ollie Ollie Ollie....!!!
Henry, Lord, Wines, Dempsey

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Whats the obsession especially from us with Irish guys, is there not enough home grown talent to choose from, frustrating to say the least.

No there is not

 

[Pure_Ownage]

John Ralph saying Essendon's offer is 780K pa and not worth Band 1 compo.

If true, then no pick 3. Which I hope is the case since they've already got an extreme leg up in the draft the past 3 years.

Gives a higher chance of a top end player for us to be there at our pick.

Afl will fudge the numbers and give north p3 regardless.

 

[Finknottle]

Don't like the Irish connection Grimoz?

Personally I love it, great aspect to our game and there's no harm that I can see in having an adjacent feeder sport like Gaelic Footy has become to draw from.

From a narrower perspective the Tuohy/O'Connor/Mullin connection might give us a leg up in getting yet another good Gaelic prospect onto the rookie list.

Don't forget the Irish women being recruited to the AFLW. They seem to pick up the game really quickly and there are several Irish stars of the competition.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Would be a record for the most number of any Christian names in a team.
Ollie Ollie Ollie Ollie....!!!
Henry, Lord, Wines, Dempsey

Wines wins it in tight at half back flicks the handball out the back to Dempsey who runs out to the square, kicks lace out to Henry just outside 50 who sends long to lord in the goal square who hits the post.

Ollie! Ollie! Ollie! Oi!

Maybe one too many Ollies there for a good chant

 

[Finknottle]

Would be a record for the most number of any Christian names in a team.
Ollie Ollie Ollie Ollie....!!!
Henry, Lord, Wines, Dempsey

We could be renamed to the Geelong Ollies

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Afl will fudge the numbers and give north p3 regardless.

I dunno. They already gave them heaps. Clubs are ropeable and the fans don't like the look.

The afl responds to optics so I wouldn't rule out acting with integrity here

 

[cats_09]

John Ralph saying Essendon's offer is 780K pa and not worth Band 1 compo.

If true, then no pick 3. Which I hope is the case since they've already got an extreme leg up in the draft the past 3 years.

Gives a higher chance of a top end player for us to be there at our pick.

I think they're reporting that it's $20k short of the trigger point for band 1 - will be interesting to see what happens from here

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Afl will fudge the numbers and give north p3 regardless.

After the package they just gave them, I hope not.

They still may use their other picks to get Pick 4 though.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Suddenly it looks like we might have to settle for Ollie Wines and Ollie Lord

Wine-Lord sounds like a hell of a party combination

The (Ollie) Lord turns (Esava) water (Ollie) Wine

 

[Cursed Cat]

Don't forget the Irish women being recruited to the AFLW. They seem to pick up the game really quickly and there are several Irish stars of the competition.

Good call.
Loving what Aishling Moloney is currently doing with Geelong, what a talent.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think they're reporting that it's $20k short of the trigger point for band 1 - will be interesting to see what happens from here

Wow.

It makes sense though. With the compo in band 1 we would be the last pick with a shot at one of the elite trending kids.

No band one and that pick goes to the Dons.

 

[jnrburger]

You might be surprised at how quickly kids can develop when thrown into the fire.

It doesn't always work, but at the start of the year the narrative was the Hawks are devoid of talent, tanking for Reid, 5-6 year rebuild on the cards etc.

Fast forward to now, and it's looking more like 3 years. That's what happens when you land on some late picks and players develop quickly.

We'll wait and see, but it looks like we're going big for Smith (If not this year), Cadman, JUH, Butters etc to help lead that new group.

Not convinced Hawks have the quality or depth to accelerate to contention in three years - not to mention since last playing in finals in 2018 - they finished 9th in 2019, 15th in 2020, then 14th, 13th, and 16th this year - so if you’re right and they’re back in contention by say 2027, that’s still an 8 year turnaround.

Secondly, where did that list of players come from - suggestions based on top tier talent coming out of contract? If it were the case that we were targeting one or more of them, any one of them would be costing considerable draft capital, and again, resulting in the need to fill other open list spots with late picks, seeing the sheer number of average players on the list grow, reducing the probability of success. Yes Wells has a history of finding multiple late round gems, but he’s had to dig through some dirt to find them.


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[Finknottle]

We've already drafted a former basketball player named Furphy. I reckon we use our first round pick to draft a player who will be physically prepared to play some footy next year. We won't cause much damage next year but another year into Bruhn, Ollies, Holmes, Neale, etc. and we could be ready to go again in 2025...
whatever that means

 

[Vdubs]

Wines wins it in tight at half back flicks the handball out the back to Dempsey who runs out to the square, kicks lace out to Henry just outside 50 who sends long to lord in the goal square who hits the post.

Ollie! Ollie! Ollie! Oi!

Maybe one too many Ollies there for a good chant

showing my vintage here

 

[CatRiot]

Wines wins it in tight at half back flicks the handball out the back to Dempsey who runs out to the square, kicks lace out to Henry just outside 50 who sends long to lord in the goal square who hits the post.

Ollie! Ollie! Ollie! Oi!

Maybe one too many Ollies there for a good chant

Just need to resurrect Ollies Trolley's and make them a sponsor...

 

[CatToTheFuture]

showing my vintage here

1930?

wow

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Not convinced Hawks have the quality or depth to accelerate to contention in three years - not to mention since last playing in finals in 2018 - they finished 9th in 2019, 15th in 2020, then 14th, 13th, and 16th this year - so if you’re right and they’re back in contention by say 2027, that’s still an 8 year turnaround.

Secondly, where did that list of players come from - suggestions based on top tier talent coming out of contract? If it were the case that we were targeting one or more of them, any one of them would be costing considerable draft capital, and again, resulting in the need to fill other open list spots with late picks, seeing the sheer number of average players on the list grow, reducing the probability of success. Yes Wells has a history of finding multiple late round gems, but he’s had to dig through some dirt to find them.


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Like any sane Cats supporter I love to bag Hawthorn...but they're coming along beautifully and it's ignorant to deny it.

Might plateau a bit next year or the year after, but that future midfield will be special. Mitchell's a genius and a coach I've got a lot of time for.

You can't just pick out a year a side didn't make finals as the beginning of a rebuild, either. The rebuild commenced in 2021, and there's an argument to be had that it was 2022.

Before that, it was Clarkson deluding himself that they were still in contention and giving away top picks for established talent (Wingard, O'Meara, Mitchell)

Besides, the point was going into this year it was looking like another 5 or 6 years on top of what they already had...but they've developed well and landed on some late picks.

On our names, Smith has been much publicised, while the others come from Jhye Clark 13, who's got a brilliant record on here when it comes to being 'in the know'.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think they're reporting that it's $20k short of the trigger point for band 1 - will be interesting to see what happens from here

Ess will simply up the offer or north will match.

I doubt it matters as the compo is secret so afl can pretend hes been offered more and give them p3 anyway

 

[And_ROOS]

He was coming along beautifully. Super tricky position to get right in so many ways. Often just nullifying your opponent is enough.

But it's one of those bring-a-knife-to-a-gun-fight positions; you can get by, but there is usually 1 or 2 teams/players who will ruthlessly exploit inadequate ruckmen.

Its why some people are incredibly harsh on Stanley who typically doesn't get smashed in a lot of games, and when Gawn got a hold of him people freaked out as if Gawn in 2021 wasn't completely annihilating EVERY other ruck in the competition.

Pies just won a flag with 2 of the most bog average rucks in the competition.

They should. But, in what is a long Carlton tradition, they're probably the same odds of Voss getting the full backing of the board

Talent and good coaching doesn't always equal success. Been plenty of teams that look the goods during a season, make it to a PF, people say "oh but after losing a PF they will be DETERMINED to go one better next season" (i.e Melbourne 2018 on a massive roll, lost to eventual premiers WCE, 2nd bottom the next season).
No guarantees you will get back into finals with the same group, its why I get a giggle reading comments online from GWS, Blues or Brions fans who feel that they fell just short and next year they WILL get it done.

The only sure thing based on football history is one of the top 4 will drop out of the 8.