Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

If we are into Bailey Smith next year .. and perhaps Cadman ... and we like the draft ...we will need 5 r1 picks...


Be nice if we could work out a way to get into the North 2024 picks ... sounds like they are going to throw a lot at WCoast to tempt them for their P1. That last win against the Suns could become very costly

Could we trade 7,2024r2 for 14,2024pick19,pick20.
Next year lots of academy players, father/sons.
It might not be such a great trade after all.

I prefer to maybe trade with Adelaide or Sydney, depends on what they offer of course.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Jumping Jack oh hang on I get you, you mean we don't need another quality mid. Yeah I can somewhat agree but again it's relying on so many ifs, Blitz, Guthrie, danger injury free and a couple of youngsters step up.

Yeah that was my thinking. If we get a better run with injuries and some slight improvement from a few, then yes we can contend. We have the cattle right now to contend.

What could really put us at the pointy end though is getting our hands on another midfielder ...... that's closer to top 4 being a lock (with some luck).

Other thing I didn't mention (but gives us some upside) is the better preseason compared to previous years. And don't overlook a softer fixture which you'd think we're a chance to get compared to previous years where we draw top 4-5 sides twice every year.

 

[Turbocat]

100% smelly if that is actually true.

And if it is the case that it is being setup so North don't get #3 for McKay then that would be unreal for us.

I can't see McKay and his management nominating the Dons if there was any chance at all that the Dons wouldn't be able to get it done... especially with other clubs in the hunt for McKay and I just gotta assume at least one of those clubs would be offering him enough $$$ to make R1 compo a sure thing and he and his manager wouldn't commit to the Dons just at a hope that they will get it done.

Would be really good for us if no #3 compo was added.

I'd go from thinking we would probably be left with Caddy on the table to having one of O'Sullivan, Watson or Sanders as another option to pick from.

Very strange to me ... and at the same time Ess are up to some tricky dicky stuff with StK. The sooner they get rid of R1 compensation the better... get rid of it totally if they want ....as there is these other devise that are in the system to help bottom sides.


On the three you have named ... I wonder who we would go for. Consider the coach said..his biggest desire was gun mud and young gun KPF... id say Sanders and probably Caddy appeal to our needs. Personally I do wonder about how early you pick defenders. They have to be special to be top10.

 

[Turbocat]

Would want an extremely thorough medical if we are looking at Wines. I'm not in favour of pursuing him but can see if the club wants one last crack whilst Danger and Hawkins are around then I suppose there is some merit. Just don't want our future to be jeopardised for a banged up 29 year old.

100%. Id almost be happy if it was a straight swap... as soon as we add to it ..and it eat into next year my enthusiasm drains. The way we are this year ...with not much after R1 ... would not be ideal next year if the draft group is better

 

[Turbocat]

Could we trade 7,2024r2 for 14,2024pick19,pick20.
Next year lots of academy players, father/sons.
It might not be such a great trade after all.

I prefer to maybe trade with Adelaide or Sydney, depends on what they offer of course.

Id prefer not to see us doing that deal. P7 should see us get a very good kid.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

Id prefer not to see us doing that deal. P7 should see us get a very good kid.

I agree. Unless sydney offers us 2024r1,11 for 7.
As an aside, I went on trade radio yesterday to talk to Barett about trading, free agency.
I suggested limiting to 2 picks to match so the draft isn't so compromised.
Didn't get a very positive reaction from him.
To me it is an obvious way to improve things, but maybe those that work in AFL like the current draft/ free agency system being compromised.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Id prefer not to see us doing that deal. P7 should see us get a very good kid.

Pick 7 is gone in one way or another.

Think we'll either split it or use it to bring an established player in to fix an immediate need (midfield). Being a shallow draft year, by the time pick 7 blows out thanks to AFL manipulation, it won't land us a young midfielder who can come in and make an impact sufficient enough to help in 2024.

We're loading up for another crack so a "yeah whatever" pick in this years draft aint gonna get it done. If we go to the draft with pick 7 I'd personally see that as the club almost waiving the white flag and hoping for the best next year with what we have. After getting Bowes last year and using the GC pick to land Jhye Clark, I think the club will go very hard on prioritising an established player versus a kid in the draft.

It's the Geelong way. And even Collingwood's CEO referred to it yesterday in an interview.

 

[Sttew]

Easily the biggest risk of sliding given the way they fluked two finals wins and will have a tougher H&A draw.

But equally a chance, with incremental improvement across the team, to go all the way IMO. An elite midfield, elite forward line and solid backline led by Weitering and Saad.

 

[Sttew]

It's the Geelong way. And even Collingwood's CEO referred to it yesterday in an interview.

What did he say?

 

[Jumping Jack]

What did he say?

I think it's on the AFL website. Craig Kelly talked about the challenges facing the club in remaining in contention, and rather than focus on the draft, he talked about what Geelong have done. Basically bringing in specific players to fill a need, even though you might only get a year or two out of them.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah that was my thinking. If we get a better run with injuries and some slight improvement from a few, then yes we can contend. We have the cattle right now to contend.

What could really put us at the pointy end though is getting our hands on another midfielder ...... that's closer to top 4 being a lock (with some luck).

Other thing I didn't mention (but gives us some upside) is the better preseason compared to previous years. And don't overlook a softer fixture which you'd think we're a chance to get compared to previous years where we draw top 4-5 sides twice every year.

From memory, the 2016 and 2019 fixture lists were a definite benefit to not finishing top 6 the previous years. And probably better pre seasons before those years too.

 

[Mr Meow]

I think it's on the AFL website. Craig Kelly talked about the challenges facing the club in remaining in contention, and rather than focus on the draft, he talked about what Geelong have done. Basically bringing in specific players to fill a need, even though you might only get a year or two out of them.

McStay, Hill and Mitchell were all important at stages during this finals series - I'd argue no flag without all 3. Even Markhov and Lipinski were okay. None of them showstopping recruits or superstars (Mitchell maybe a few years back). But there's 5 fairly recent plug and play recruits in their 2023 premiership side (McStay injury aside).

 

[RobJD]

McStay, Hill and Mitchell were all important at stages during this finals series - I'd argue no flag without all 3. Even Markhov and Lipinski were okay. None of them showstopping recruits or superstars (Mitchell maybe a few years back). But there's 5 fairly recent plug and play recruits in their 2023 premiership side (McStay injury aside).

Agree, stuff the National Draft, I can't wait for the transfer period, rookie draft and the SSP!

 

[And_ROOS]

I think it's on the AFL website. Craig Kelly talked about the challenges facing the club in remaining in contention, and rather than focus on the draft, he talked about what Geelong have done. Basically bringing in specific players to fill a need, even though you might only get a year or two out of them.

When did we bring in a player to get a year or two out of them that wasn't a ruck though?
3 full seasons out of Smith is the shortest "specific player to fill a need" I can't think of someone that came in for less than 3 years.

 

[Rubberducky]

When did we bring in a player to get a year or two out of them that wasn't a ruck though?
3 full seasons out of Smith is the shortest "specific player to fill a need" I can't think of someone that came in for less than 3 years.

Smith would be the one referenced in the comment. Came in for 2 good seasons and part of us winning in 2022. Ceglar if not injured would have been a similar recruit, managed through the season to have an impact when needed and an option when list is fully fit. A moneyball approach to winning now & managing a list for the future seems to be our balance moving forward though.

 

[Mr Meow]

Agree, stuff the National Draft, I can't wait for the transfer period, rookie draft and the SSP!

The ND is exciting and important of course.

But Collingwood had:

-Crisp
-Adams
-Howe
-Hill
-McStay
-Mitchell
-WHE
-Markhov
-Frampton (lol)

As useful or important parts of the 2023 premiership side (season, not just the final game) as acquisitions from other teams. Not sure about your rookie draft selections.

Geelong in 2022 had:

-Dangerfield
-Stanley
-Tuohy
-Rohan
-Cameron
-Smith
-Stengle

Then getting guys like Stewart from the GFL, and a handful of rookie draft selections.

If you use your top draft picks well but everything else suffers then you won't assemble a premiership worthy squad.

 

[Hamingja]

Would want an extremely thorough medical if we are looking at Wines. I'm not in favour of pursuing him but can see if the club wants one last crack whilst Danger and Hawkins are around then I suppose there is some merit. Just don't want our future to be jeopardised for a banged up 29 year old.

I think Wines would be worth the risk if it didn't involve a first / future first.

It is just incredibly unlikely that he would leave Port for Geelong. In reality you would need this years finishing positions to be reversed to have any chance IMO. He was still playing, just out of position. It's not as if there is bad blood between Port and Wines and he was frozen out to the SANFL or anything.

I'd say there would be more chance of Smith leaving than Wines and even that is at an extremely low probability.

 

[And_ROOS]

But equally a chance, with incremental improvement across the team, to go all the way IMO. An elite midfield, elite forward line and solid backline led by Weitering and Saad.

Elite forwardline that didn't really fire through finals. People can shit on Hawkins for never kicking 10 in a game, never really kicking big bags all the time but when it hits finals you know he will kick 3 and set up 4 or 5 as well.

Curnow was completely missing and it killed Carltons PF chances. And you can't rely on McKay.

 

[calder_daddy]

cats_09 dazbroncos
Could we get a pinned post at the top with dates of free agency windows and the trade period?

Please and thank you

 

[Jumping Jack]

McStay, Hill and Mitchell were all important at stages during this finals series - I'd argue no flag without all 3. Even Markhov and Lipinski were okay. None of them showstopping recruits or superstars (Mitchell maybe a few years back). But there's 5 fairly recent plug and play recruits in their 2023 premiership side (McStay injury aside).

Didn't hear the full interview, but I think the context was more that they'd been able to get to where they are now with a combination of recruits from other clubs, but still have some draft cache that allows them to bring in some good young talent.

Sounded like the comment was more related to now needing to look at bringing in talent from outside clubs versus via the draft.

 

[Mr Meow]

Elite forwardline that didn't really fire through finals. People can s**t on Hawkins for never kicking 10 in a game, never really kicking big bags all the time but when it hits finals you know he will kick 3 and set up 4 or 5 as well.

Curnow was completely missing and it killed Carltons PF chances. And you can't rely on McKay.

Agreed.

Hawkins has played a whopping amount of finals (32) spread over 14 seasons - so as a kid, old man and everything in between. Going at 12 disposals, 5 marks and 2.3 goals/assists a game over that period in the modern era is a very decent finals record for a full forward. Especially when our forward lines were often sub-par and the delivery into them during a lot of those finals series was poor.

It really is hard for key forwards to regularly kick big bags in today's game come September. You need a wide spread of contributors. Carlton still lack that and covered up the cracks for a while as far as both their forward line and their delivery this season. So while Curnow underperformed it was a two way street.

 

[Turbocat]

Pick 7 is gone in one way or another.

Think we'll either split it or use it to bring an established player in to fix an immediate need (midfield). Being a shallow draft year, by the time pick 7 blows out thanks to AFL manipulation, it won't land us a young midfielder who can come in and make an impact sufficient enough to help in 2024.

We're loading up for another crack so a "yeah whatever" pick in this years draft aint gonna get it done. If we go to the draft with pick 7 I'd personally see that as the club almost waiving the white flag and hoping for the best next year with what we have. After getting Bowes last year and using the GC pick to land Jhye Clark, I think the club will go very hard on prioritising an established player versus a kid in the draft.

It's the Geelong way. And even Collingwood's CEO referred to it yesterday in an interview.

One thing I agree with ... we would never be using P7 in the draft. Even if we go to draft it will not be P7

 

[Jumping Jack]

Agreed.

Hawkins has played a whopping amount of finals (32) spread over 14 seasons - so as a kid, old man and everything in between. Going at 12 disposals, 5 marks and 2.3 goals/assists a game over that period in the modern era is a very decent finals record for a full forward. Especially when our forward lines were often sub-par and the delivery into them during a lot of those finals series was poor.

It really is hard for key forwards to regularly kick big bags in today's game come September. You need a wide spread of contributors. Carlton still lack that and covered up the cracks for a while as far as both their forward line and their delivery this season. So while Curnow underperformed it was a two way street.

Exactly, we had a bloke who wore #5 that kicked big bags of goals, and often in finals.

He turned 62 the other day and probably still thinks solemnly about the fact he retired without a premiership.

 

[moond0g]

I think most share the same view but my take is slightly different.

I think we can absolutely contend IF: Guthrie is back to playing good footy in the midfield (effectively a new recruit from this season) >> Dangerfield is used a bit smarter and goes in for shorter impact bursts then rests forward >> we see further improvement from Bruhn >> Holmes returns to the wing full time >> Knevitt or Dempsey step up and own a role on the wing >> Atkins just does what he does >> and Jhye Clark steps up and gets a good run at 2024.

But I think the extension of that is if all the above happens, plus we manage to bring in a solid inside mid to bolster our stocks. Ollie Wines the most recent discussion point >> and obviously Bailey Smith would be a big get.

If all this played out we go from contender to legitimate threat. The rest of the ground looks pretty good I think.

A lot of ifs in that scenario though.

Guthrie back will be huge, no doubt. But we'd also be relying on at least 2 of Knevitt, Dempsey and Clark to become good AFL players in the offseason, which is pretty ambitious considering they've played <20 AFL games between them, of which realistically only a couple of those games have been good.

Not saying it can't happen, but on balance you'd say it's unlikely - every club would have someone like Knevitt on their list. So it may happen, but it would be much more likely if we brought in a bona fide A grade midfielder.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Been guilty of it myself, but not much mention of Parfitt when we look forward to next season and contemplate where the improvement comes from - midfield particularly. He's the inside midfielder that we desperately need, but just can't seem to produce. Has had patches of good footy when recalled but just not able to string together an extended run of quality inside mid footy that we crave.

I wonder if he's being used as trade bait and possibly part of some of these potential trades being floated? Does he end up at the Bulldogs with Geelong sending him to Whitten Oval with Pick 7 hidden in his lunch box - Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

moves down the highway? Does he go to Port with his good mate (and housemate) Esava and join up with pal Quinten Narkle? In return we get an acceptable pick and Ollie Wines to GMHBA?

Just putting it out there that he's not been mentioned too much, so wondering if he ends up being part of a deal to help turn our list over? Maybe he stays and produces his best season of footy next year in the hoops - would be nice but I doubt that happens. Does Parfitt play more senior footy next year than Knevitt or Dempsey? I think the answer is no if we find a way to bring in another inside mid from another club.

Papers stamped?