Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Lana]

Morris was going on about this? Whats his point?

Haven’t watched trade radio. But my thinking is that it is based on current player wages which on average don’t take into consideration the increase of the CBA. While free agency offers are made with the new cap in mind. So they are inflated and result in higher compensation then expected

 

[cats_09]

If #23 or Duursma isn't involved in the Sav trade then another option is obviously Port's F2 (which clearly isn't good).

But Port now hold Freo's F2 which you would assume is gonna be better than Port's F2.

Still #23 this year is probably better than either of those F2's.

Duursma is an interesting one... He was an absolute weapon in his first season... Not sure if he can turn back time though and improve on recent years form.

Can they trade that though?

Current rules on future trading are that you can trade either your future first, or any & all picks from your future second on

Having traded their future first, are they allowed to trade their future second, or is it Fremantle's future second they're allowed to trade?

 

[cats_09]

23 is about right for Sav.
Not getting into the BS banter regards FS and Academy picks as they aren’t on the table.
ZZ Top come on down!!

Exactly - rather than focusing on what number that pick ends up after academy and F&S picks, look at how many live picks were taken before it as that's the true indication of where it falls

 

[bombersboy]

Geelong rarely if ever are not practical. Something is better than nothing. If Port are denied Sav... they have lost not but oppituniity...we have lost a player for the pick we refuse. They would do what they had to do to get 22. Adding a late future to it would be preferable than walking him to the PSD

Agree on how we have approached trades till now. Port have not made an offer to us yet and they are after Zerk-Thatcher and Sweet as well. They currently have picks 23, 38, 46 and 73. I think Esava is the best of the 3 players they have targeted but do not know if they share my view. Essendon always over value their players. I would take Duursma and a late pick as a trade.

 

[Mr Meow]

If #23 or Duursma isn't involved in the Sav trade then another option is obviously Port's F2 (which clearly isn't good).

But Port now hold Freo's F2 which you would assume is gonna be better than Port's F2.

Still #23 this year is probably better than either of those F2's.

Duursma is an interesting one... He was an absolute weapon in his first season... Not sure if he can turn back time though and improve on recent years form.

We absolutely have to lay 23 down as a marker.

It would ultimately mean we rescued a VFL player's career and the reward was O.Henry - as most of last year's haul would be back to us for 2023.

If one cursed season means we get to pick up a talented key position player AND another medium or midfielder around #25 then it almost becomes win-win across the board.

Throw Smith in as a FA 2024 and the rebuild had some legs.

 

[Johanpetro]

Hawkins being thrown around atm of trade radio lol. Hasn’t signed a deal and they think it’s suspicious

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Surely Morris is talking bs floating Hawkins name around as considering other offers. Club and player would have to know that would be a culture killer.

 

[gogeelongcats]

Hawkins being thrown around atm of trade radio lol. Hasn’t signed a deal and they think it’s suspicious

What a joke. There is no way. He would play for us for nothing

 

[Mr Meow]

Looking ahead, probably best case scenario from this and next season's acquisitions:

Season 2025/2026

FB: O'Connor De Koning J.Henry

HB: Stewart O'Sullivan Z.Guthrie

C: Bowes Smith Holmes

HF: Miers Cameron Close

FF: Stengle Neale O.Henry

FOL: Conway Clark Bruhn

IC: Atkins Dempsey C.Guthrie Stevens

Cameron, Stewart and C.Guthrie as the old heads following retirement of Hawkins, Tuohy, Duncan, Dangerfield, Rohan, Blicavs (he did start late and seems ageless - who knows) and Stanley. Maybe C.Guthrie transitions into Duncan's 2022 quarterback role. Bowes on the wing doing his best Duncan wingman impression. Dempsey rotating between there and half forward. An up and coming midfield with Atkins as the veteran. It might be fanciful to think we could land Stevens, but pick 23 whoever it is could be in that spot.

It's not a terrible looking side, even if the loss of star power is going to be inevitable. Maybe another big fish FA will become available.

 

[bombersboy]

What a joke. There is no way. He would play for us for nothing

You would think any delay more likely to be over Tom rethinking whether or not he wants to go on.

 

[BORIS332]

Draft combine results. Reid, McKercher and Sanders all didn't test.

20m sprint
1st: Aiden O'Driscoll - 2.871 seconds
2nd: Will Graham - 2.915
3rd: Caleb Windsor - 2.916

Agility test
1st: Lance Collard - 8.157 seconds
2nd: Koltyn Tholstrup - 8.194
3rd: Angus Hastie - 8.204

2km time trial
1st: Tarkyn O'Leary - 5:48 minutes
2nd: Darcy Wilson - 5:52
3rd: Ethan Read - 5:56

Standing vertical jump
1st: Zane Zakostelsky - 80cm
2nd: Will Graham, Phoenix Gothard and Mitchell Edwards - 78cm

Running vertical jump
1st: Darcy Wilson - 98cm
2nd: Zane Duursma - 97cm
3rd: Will Graham and Kane McAuliffe - 95cm

 

[Kobe Gryant]

We absolutely have to lay 23 down as a marker.

It would ultimately mean we rescued a VFL player's career and the reward was O.Henry - as most of last year's haul would be back to us for 2023.

If one cursed season means we get to pick up a talented key position player AND another medium or midfielder around #25 then it almost becomes win-win across the board.

Throw Smith in as a FA 2024 and the rebuild had some legs.

If we take 2, or even potentially 3 picks inside the top 25-30 It's indisputable that we've rebuilt a large portion of our list post 2019.

We just don't do it traditionally, which is what either pisses opposition supporters off, or tricks them into thinking we haven't been taking picks.

We're closer to a wealthy Rugby League or European soccer club these days. Why bother tanking seasons when you can just be well run and get the same players in a couple years anyway?

With a decent pre-season we're going to have a lot of youth in our side next year, and I guarantee the narrative will change to what our issue actually is.

Expect a Footy Classified graphic next year saying something along the lines of:

"The Cats actually have pretty good youth, but do they have enough players at the peak of their powers to win a premiership?"

Footy media is always behind the 8 ball, and if we are to have glaring issues with our list, that line of belief is far closer to being the truth.

 

[gogeelongcats]

Just posted... Watson or Sanders? I would say Sanders is gone.

THE WESTERN Bulldogs have landed one of the big assets of the trade period, acquiring Gold Coast's prized pick No.4 in a swap confirmed on Monday.

It has seen the Bulldogs trade their two first-round picks this season – No.10 and 17 – as well as their first-round pick in 2024 in exchange for the Suns' pick No.4.

The Suns have also traded the Bulldogs their third-round picks this year – No.46 and 51, both bumped back a spot by the Tom Doedee

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Tom Doedee

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

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17.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

228.8

4star

D

15.3

4star

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9.5

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5.8

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M

6.3

5star

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1.3

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228.8

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D

19.8

5star

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10.4

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.4

4star

compensation pick – to ensure the Dogs have extra points to match a bid for father-son talent Jordan Croft, who is tied to the Bulldogs this year. The Suns have also traded their future third-round pick to the Dogs as part of the deal.

It leaves the Dogs in the sweet spot of the top-end talent, with small goalkicker Nick Watson and midfield jet Ryley Sanders likely to be strongly considered for the pick, which will be the earliest pick the Dogs have held since Marcus Bontempelli

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Marcus Bontempelli

Age

30

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

10.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

18.4

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

8.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.1

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CL

4.0

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D

12.0

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K

5.8

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

1.8

4star

was selected at No.4 in 2013.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Just posted... Watson or Sanders?? Which one do the Dogs want?

THE WESTERN Bulldogs have landed one of the big assets of the trade period, acquiring Gold Coast's prized pick No.4 in a swap confirmed on Monday.

It has seen the Bulldogs trade their two first-round picks this season – No.10 and 17 – as well as their first-round pick in 2024 in exchange for the Suns' pick No.4.

The Suns have also traded the Bulldogs their third-round picks this year – No.46 and 51, both bumped back a spot by the Tom Doedee compensation pick – to ensure the Dogs have extra points to match a bid for father-son talent Jordan Croft, who is tied to the Bulldogs this year. The Suns have also traded their future third-round pick to the Dogs as part of the deal.

It leaves the Dogs in the sweet spot of the top-end talent, with small goalkicker Nick Watson and midfield jet Ryley Sanders likely to be strongly considered for the pick, which will be the earliest pick the Dogs have held since Marcus Bontempelli was selected at No.4 in 2013.

They have played this trade period well.
They get a top 5 pick in Sanders/Duursma/McKercher/Watson as well as getting Croft another pick in the 10-13 range.
Also, The Suns are set for 2024 with 2 picks in the 9-13 range one would think.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Problem with that approach is that we have 5 list spots to fill. We could promote Dempsey and possible Mullin from rookie list which would mean we only needed to fill 3 spots but all 3 picks would be at 80 odd and we have to keep those players on the list for 2 years. If we trade for multiple picks needs to be 2 second rounders in this year's draft. I would rather keep pick 7 and increase our chances of getting a decent player. Take our chnace's on the late picks.

The picks will be in the 50s the draft wont go past that.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Just posted... Watson or Sanders? I would say Sanders is gone.

THE WESTERN Bulldogs have landed one of the big assets of the trade period, acquiring Gold Coast's prized pick No.4 in a swap confirmed on Monday.

It has seen the Bulldogs trade their two first-round picks this season – No.10 and 17 – as well as their first-round pick in 2024 in exchange for the Suns' pick No.4.

The Suns have also traded the Bulldogs their third-round picks this year – No.46 and 51, both bumped back a spot by the Tom Doedee compensation pick – to ensure the Dogs have extra points to match a bid for father-son talent Jordan Croft, who is tied to the Bulldogs this year. The Suns have also traded their future third-round pick to the Dogs as part of the deal.

It leaves the Dogs in the sweet spot of the top-end talent, with small goalkicker Nick Watson and midfield jet Ryley Sanders likely to be strongly considered for the pick, which will be the earliest pick the Dogs have held since Marcus Bontempelli was selected at No.4 in 2013.

Dogs will take the wizard i think.
Hopefully sanders gets to us.

 

[Shadow89]

Can they trade that though?

Current rules on future trading are that you can trade either your future first, or any & all picks from your future second on

Having traded their future first, are they allowed to trade their future second, or is it Fremantle's future second they're allowed to trade?

They can't trade their own Future 2nd, but nothing stopping them trading Freo's Future 2nd - as it doesn't tie into the rules about trading out your own draft hand.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Can they trade that though?

Current rules on future trading are that you can trade either your future first, or any & all picks from your future second on

Having traded their future first, are they allowed to trade their future second, or is it Fremantle's future second they're allowed to trade?

They are allowed to trade one of the fr2s but not both.
So for eg they can offer us 23 or freos future 2nd for sav but they have to keep ports future 2nd

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Dogs will take the wizard i think.
Hopefully sanders gets to us.

At 13 ?? lol... we are trading back IMO.
For me. It is a Great chance to get someone to over pay for 7.
And if we are really lucky someone to over pay for pick 11 or 13 as well.
Plenty of folk in the 15-30 range all much of a muchness PO.
If we can get 4 picks in the 18-30 range we have done really well.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Looking ahead, probably best case scenario from this and next season's acquisitions:

Season 2025/2026

FB: O'Connor De Koning J.Henry

HB: Stewart O'Sullivan Z.Guthrie

C: Bowes Smith Holmes

HF: Miers Cameron Close

FF: Stengle Neale O.Henry

FOL: Conway Clark Bruhn

IC: Atkins Dempsey C.Guthrie Stevens

Cameron, Stewart and C.Guthrie as the old heads following retirement of Hawkins, Tuohy, Duncan, Dangerfield, Rohan, Blicavs (he did start late and seems ageless - who knows) and Stanley. Maybe C.Guthrie transitions into Duncan's 2022 quarterback role. Bowes on the wing doing his best Duncan wingman impression. Dempsey rotating between there and half forward. An up and coming midfield with Atkins as the veteran. It might be fanciful to think we could land Stevens, but pick 23 whoever it is could be in that spot.

It's not a terrible looking side, even if the loss of star power is going to be inevitable. Maybe another big fish FA will become available.

We're going to be more than fine.

I can't stress this enough, I was far more worried about our future prospects in 2017 & 2018.

We had an old list, and as supporters were banking on the likes of Parsons, a perennially injured Cockatoo, and Parfitt for our future. It didn't inspire confidence to say the least.

We simply didn't have the SDK, Holmes, Clark, Bruhn, Knevitt, Conway, & Henry types on our list who you get in the early stages of the draft.

We certainly didn't have the Stengle, Close, Miers, Zuthrie, Jack Henry, & Bowes types on our list who are still regarded as 'young' and approaching their prime footy.

They either weren't here, or were untried late picks at the time.

We also weren't approaching a draft where we are likely to have 7 & 23, or a collection of picks in the top 30 if we are to trade down.

Even our players who we love, but feel less certain about being 'sure things' to make it in Neale, Dempsey & Mullin are better than what we had back then.

Post this draft, we're going to have enough youth. We might still be 1 or maybe 2 players away, but that's nothing in the greater scheme of things.

The goal in 2024 & 2025 will be targeting the Smith's & Cadmans of the world. Players who fit that groups age profile and who can finish off the rebuild and have us contending with that group by '26 & '27.

I've said it before, but we can't compare this Geelong group to any recent iteration we've had. We haven't done this in a long time.

We're closer to Port of '20 & '21 in terms of our profile, who are doing now what we'll be doing in '24 & '25.

Adding 'big names' (In the scheme of the names available) that fit the age group of their rebuild with the goal of competing in the coming years.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Just posted... Watson or Sanders? I would say Sanders is gone.

THE WESTERN Bulldogs have landed one of the big assets of the trade period, acquiring Gold Coast's prized pick No.4 in a swap confirmed on Monday.

It has seen the Bulldogs trade their two first-round picks this season – No.10 and 17 – as well as their first-round pick in 2024 in exchange for the Suns' pick No.4.

The Suns have also traded the Bulldogs their third-round picks this year – No.46 and 51, both bumped back a spot by the Tom Doedee compensation pick – to ensure the Dogs have extra points to match a bid for father-son talent Jordan Croft, who is tied to the Bulldogs this year. The Suns have also traded their future third-round pick to the Dogs as part of the deal.

It leaves the Dogs in the sweet spot of the top-end talent, with small goalkicker Nick Watson and midfield jet Ryley Sanders likely to be strongly considered for the pick, which will be the earliest pick the Dogs have held since Marcus Bontempelli was selected at No.4 in 2013.

How do the bulldogs always get s much high end talent...

 

[Shadow89]

At 13 ?? lol... we are trading back IMO.
For me. It is a Great chance to get someone to over pay for 7.
And if we are really lucky someone to over pay for pick 11 or 13 as well.
Plenty of folk in the 15-30 range all much of a muchness PO.
If we can get 4 picks in the 18-30 range we have done really well.

Our Pick will be Pick 10, not 13?

Not unreasonable to think that on a needs basis, if the Dogs, Hawks, Dees and GWS all don't want another inside mid, that he could slip to us.

Unlikely, but also not outside the realm of possibility. North will likely select Curtin and McKercher/Duursma, IMO.

If GWS select Caddy and Melbourne select O'Sullivan, as their boards seem to suggest, then there is a small chance we get Sanders. This is why I think we'll wait until the night comes before we do anything.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Dogs will take the wizard i think.
Hopefully sanders gets to us.

They worry me a bit, I reckon they take Sanders.

They've got bugger all coming through in the midfield, their young talent is invested in their forward line. So much so that they're trying to move some of them to the backline.

Smith is likely gone next year, and West hasn't come on as hoped. With Bont, Treloar, Libba, & McRae all in the twilight or approaching it, they need to replenish that part of their list.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Our Pick will be Pick 10, not 13?

Not unreasonable to think that on a needs basis, if the Dogs, Hawks, Dees and GWS all don't want another inside mid, that he could slip to us.

Unlikely, but also not outside the realm of possibility. North will likely select Curtin and McKercher/Duursma, IMO.

If GWS select Caddy and Melbourne select O'Sullivan, as their boards seem to suggest, then there is a small chance we get Sanders. This is why I think we'll wait until the night comes before we do anything.

I think you mentioned earlier, but I agree that we're less likely to trade back if we've got 23.

If we were to trade back it would be with goal of taking a Stevens, Edwards or ZZ, who we're going to be able to get now anyway.

Just take the best kid, hopefully Sanders IMO, and then get another one at 23.

 

[Shadow89]

They worry me a bit, I reckon they take Sanders.

They've got bugger all coming through in the midfield, their young talent is invested in their forward line. So much so that they're trying to move some of them to the backline.

Smith is likely gone next year, and West hasn't come on as hoped. With Bont, Treloar, Libba, & McRae all in the twilight or approaching it, they need to replenish that part of their list.

Strong word is they did all this to get Watson. Would be very surprised if they take Sanders. After the success of Caleb Daniel as a shorter player, would make sense how they see him.