Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[BORIS332]

Power offering Richmond 41 and FR2.

Pick 41 will become pick 38 after bids push out and then come back in. So they're essentially offering 34 (2024) & 38 (2023).

 

[Matthew Jelley]

I agree we have a lot on our list to develop as well, I'm just pointing out other teams are doing more work to bring players in so it needs to pay off for us

To play players we already have in positions of need? Perhaps recruit DFA's like Bianco, or draft mature agers like Van De Heuvel as defensive cover?

As it stands, next year we'll have all of these young players to give decent gametime to, without bringing in list cloggers for picks we don't have, like Stephens or Jordon (Doedee the only one I agree on, but we are stacked for medium defenders and he wasn't interested in us):

Jhye Clark
Tanner Bruhn
Mitch Knevitt
Ollie Henry
Oisin Mullin
Shannon Neale
Ollie Dempsey
Toby Conway
Ted Clohesy
Pick 8

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People keep forgetting we did our work in '21 and '22 via the draft and trade periods, so bringing in more players that pushes them further down the order, is just a waste. We rate these kids highly and there's a lot of them now + a lot of good veterans still on the list.

After last year, this trade period was always going to be extremely quiet. We traded out of this draft completely except for the 1st round, and brought in 4 players we thought would be important in our future build - Clark, Bowes, Bruhn and O. Henry.

Our list without bringing in anyone this trade period, is still actually pretty deep with the young talent we have high hopes for. At a minimum, this is what I would see as the club's outlook:

B: Bews, SDK, J. Henry
HB: Stewart, Kolo, Zuthrie
C: Holmes, T. Atkins, Bowes
FO: Stanley, Danger, C. Guthrie
HF: O. Henry, J. Cameron, Miers
F: Rohan, Hawkins, Stengle
INT: Blics, Close, Duncan, Tuohy
Sub: Bruhn

Depth -

O'Connor
Parfitt
Knevitt
Dempsey
S. Neale
Conway
J. Clark
Mullin
Clohesy
Pick 8 (if we keep it)

So 33 players over the course of the year who could fit into 23 spots. Adding more speculative depth onto that list just costs other players who we have higher hopes for internally.

All in the AFL world are so used to us being 'active' - including our own supporters - that they forget we absolutely dominated trade period last year, so a down year this year
Is inevitable.

TL; DR: Rather us bring in late speculative picks for very little cap, and do nothing else in such a crap draft/trade year, instead of bringing in more expensive players for picks we don't have, who might not even be better than the developing kids we already have.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

A lot of players have moved so there is some market

I'm confident we have returning players that missed large parts of this year to bring in, just worried it's not as much as others

Well we apparently asked the question of Tarryn Thomas and Bailey Smith. Can't say we haven't tried.

 

[Shadow89]

I agree we have a lot on our list to develop as well, I'm just pointing out other teams are doing more work to bring players in so it needs to pay off for us.

Mmm, but the point I'm making, is that there's a cost to pay for any of these players - whether it be sal cap or picks; which we don't have many to be wasting on speculative players.

We've apparently looked at Lord, Smith, Grundy and Thomas, but none were forthcoming so we moved on.

Is it better to self-develop what we have after going hard the last 2 years, or recruit speculatively so as to be seen as doing something?

This is the worst trade period we've ever seen, before the worst draft we've probably ever seen. After the last couple of years, we're probably just not that interested this year.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I wonder why Kane is so critical of Mackie. I mean it's almost like he has some lived trauma from his youth that Mackie is directly responsible for

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I wonder why Kane is so critical of Mackie. I mean it's almost like he has some lived trauma from his youth that Mackie is directly responsible for


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You just know Mack would have been in rare form on the lip that day

 

[D BRIDGE]

I'll be dirty if Port trade an F2 to Richmond to Soldo.

Here is something I also don't understand regarding the rucks Port are looking to bring in.

Sweet has been targeted to come across and step out from the shadow of English... but all the talk from them (yes officially from Port) is that they are trying to get Soldo and saying it's time for him to be a #1 ruckman.

What is Sweet thinking here...

Why would the Dogs trade Sweet for a late-nothing pick that would be just about the last pick in the draft?
Is Sweet sitting back watching this Soldo stuff thinking "Port do not rate me at all and this public Soldo stuff proves I'll still be backup".

Just seems weird to me that they are head-hunting Soldo reasonably hard and have put Sweet firmly on the backburner.

Surely other clubs could step in and get involved with Sweet now if they wanted to and Sweet would listen and be open to others.

 

[Turbocat]

Cooper Trembath is an excellent mark, still growing at 194 cm, best defender in the Coates League. Great vertical leap and hands, coulkd improve kicking and defensive craft, but has never played in defence before 23. Could be a really good get.

Any idea on combine type data 2K and 20M? Sounds interesting... still growing ..he only needs another 3 cm and he is near perfect for KPD

 

[Turbocat]

I'd be confident if Port don't get the Sav trade, he stays with us, rather than go to the draft. That's a win for us.

Lets theorise ..that happens. What do we offer him? The security of a deal while the option to go elsewhere as a FA in 12 months?

 

[BORIS332]

I wonder why Kane is so critical of Mackie. I mean it's almost like he has some lived trauma from his youth that Mackie is directly responsible for


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They would've gone to school together at Sacred Heart, probably played at Glenelg together too.

 

[Turbocat]

Is there bad blood between Port and North due to the JHF trade?

Id think there would be . Why do you ask?

 

[cats_09]

Lets theorise ..that happens. What do we offer him? The security of a deal while the option to go elsewhere as a FA in 12 months?

In doing a deal like that, he'd probably also want assurance from Port that they'll be back in 12 months when he's a FA and maybe even some sort of agreement as to what the contract would be

 

[moond0g]

To play players we already have in positions of need? Perhaps recruit DFA's like Bianco, or draft mature agers like Van De Heuvel as defensive cover?

As it stands, next year we'll have all of these young players to give decent gametime to, without bringing in list cloggers for picks we don't have, like Stephens or Jordon (Doedee the only one I agree on, but we are stacked for medium defenders and he wasn't interested in us):

Jhye Clark
Tanner Bruhn
Mitch Knevitt
Ollie Henry
Oisin Mullin
Shannon Neale
Ollie Dempsey
Toby Conway
Ted Clohesy
Pick 8

*****************

People keep forgetting we did our work in '21 and '22 via the draft and traded periods, so bringing in more players that pushes them further down the order, is just a waste. We rate these kids highly and there's a lot of them now + a lot of good veterans still on the list.

After last year, this trade period was always going to be extremely quiet. We traded out of this draft completely except for the 1st round, and brought in 4 players we thought would be important in our future build - Clark, Bowes, Bruhn and O. Henry.

Our list without bringing in anyone this trade period, is still actually pretty deep with the young talent we have high hopes for. At a minimum, this is what I would see the as the club's outlook:

B: Bews, SDK, J. Henry
HB: Stewart, Kolo, Zuthrie
C: Holmes, T. Atkins, Bowes
FO: Stanley, Danger, C. Guthrie
HF: O. Henry, J. Cameron, Miers
F: Rohan, Hawkins, Stengle
INT: Blics, Close, Duncan, Tuohy
Sub: Bruhn

Depth -

O'Connor
Parfitt
Knevitt
Dempsey
S. Neale
Conway
J. Clark
Mullin
Clohesy
Pick 8 (if we keep it)

So 33 players over the course of the year who could fit into 23 spots. Adding more speculative depth onto that list just costs other players who we have higher hopes for internally.

All in the AFL world are so used to us being 'active' - including our own supporters - that they forget we absolutely dominated trade period last year, so a down year this year
Is inevitable.

TL; DR: Rather us bring in late speculative picks for very little cap, and do nothing else in such a crap draft/trade year, instead of bringing in more expensive players for picks we don't have, who might not even be better than the developing kids we already have.

Wouldn't have minded Stephens personally, but I see your point. But the players discussed cost nothing anyway, so there's not much difference between that and late speculative picks.

The potential problems I see are: 1. you assume we'll have no injuries, which never happens. And 2. If we fast-forward 2 years, 8 or 9 of those players have retired and many of the young players mentioned as replacements are still quite speculative. We have to assume at least a few of them will not be AFL regulars. Having a couple more options in that age range increases the likelihood that we'll have the depth required.

I don't think it matters too much either way though. The reason we're discussing it is because the trade period has been so quiet

 

[FootyLad0]

Id think there would be . Why do you ask?

My brother is a North supporter.

He said they are terrible to deal with and them crying foul after the way they acted last year about JHF speaks volumes.

 

[cats_09]

 

[moond0g]

I'd be confident if Port don't get the Sav trade, he stays with us, rather than go to the draft. That's a win for us.

Why would he forgo a 5 year, $3mil contract to sign for 12 months on less money?

 

[Turbocat]

In doing a deal like that, he'd probably also want assurance from Port that they'll be back in 12 months when he's a FA and maybe even some sort of agreement as to what the contract would be

Id imagine a deal like Kelly and other have had at GWS..and apparently King has at GC. We offer 1 with and option for a trigger for another two ..that he can activate. He can chose to go RFA... or he can stay till he is UFA. We probably do not offer 700 ..but with the way the cap is going up ..we might not be that far away.

 

[Johanpetro]

My brother is a North supporter.

He said they are terrible to deal with and them crying foul after the way they acted last year about JHF speaks volumes.

Am I taking crazy pills. As I’ve said previously I don’t think Port are acting that bad to Geelong right now. They’ve offered pick 25 for Esava. It’s not that bad

 

[FootyLad0]

B: Bews, SDK, J. Henry
HB: Stewart, Kolo, Zuthrie
C: Holmes, T. Atkins, Bowes
FO: Stanley, Danger, C. Guthrie
HF: O. Henry, J. Cameron, Miers
F: Rohan, Hawkins, Stengle
INT: Blics, Close, Duncan, Tuohy
Sub: Bruhn

We can't keep giving games to guys because theyve played here for a long time. Way too many blokes took the foot off the gas in 2023 and a lot of them are in the squad you listed.

I'd expect the staff to be much harsher on poor performances in 2024. If we have a full squad with a low amount of injuries, games shouldn't just be handed to guys.

 

[FootyLad0]

Am I taking crazy pills. As I’ve said previously I don’t think Port are acting that bad to Geelong right now. They’ve offered pick 25 for Esava. It’s not that bad

I don't think Pick 25 for Sav is wrong either i'm just going on what he said.

 

[Turbocat]

My brother is a North supporter.

He said they are terrible to deal with and them crying foul after the way they acted last year about JHF speaks volumes.

Up to the to square the hole. They are on the bottom. Offer a big chunk to the next Vic kid they draft when OOC ..and take him to the PSD. And when Port scream blue murder... North wink and say remember the Alarmo.

If North feel they were wronged..and do nothing... then other will feel encouraged to do they same. Bad when you look at the kids they are bringing in.

 

[moond0g]

Lets theorise ..that happens. What do we offer him? The security of a deal while the option to go elsewhere as a FA in 12 months?

In doing a deal like that, he'd probably also want assurance from Port that they'll be back in 12 months when he's a FA and maybe even some sort of agreement as to what the contract would be

How would that work practically? I personally can't see it happening, I think he'd be much more likely to just go to the draft. In the 1% chance North, or someone else, take him, he's still got his $3mil contract locked in.

 

[moond0g]

We can't keep giving games to guys because theyve played here for a long time. Way too many blokes took the foot off the gas in 2023 and a lot of them are in the squad you listed.

I'd expect the staff to be much harsher on poor performances in 2024. If we have a full squad with a low amount of injuries, games shouldn't just be handed to guys.

I didn't post that team?

 

[FootyLad0]

I didn't post that team?

Sorry meant to put Shadow haha

 

[D BRIDGE]

Id think there would be . Why do you ask?

I ask if there is bad blood between North and Port because North can seriously mess up Port's plans to get Sav via the PSD or ND.