Hot Topic Harley Reid v Draft - Win-win?

[MiguelM]

I think what you see is what you get with Rowell. We all know what he is and what’ll be. There’s plenty of mids out there, he’s not a game breaker X factor that you should do anything in your power to get one. There’s good mids in every draft, why overspend on trading for Rowell.
Would I get Rowell as a free agent though, absolutely. I’m not giving up a haul of picks for him though.

He is the best midfielder going around IMO. Absolute matchwinner.

Would have him ahead of Reid in spades.

 

[Bipolar Bear]

I think what you see is what you get with Rowell. We all know what he is and what’ll be. There’s plenty of mids out there, he’s not a game breaker X factor that you should do anything in your power to get one. There’s good mids in every draft, why overspend on trading for Rowell.
Would I get Rowell as a free agent though, absolutely. I’m not giving up a haul of picks for him though.

He is a game breaker though. He's only 23, we would get his best. He and Caldwell would be bash brothers.

 

[andleanback]

He is the best midfielder going around IMO. Absolute matchwinner.

Would have him ahead of Reid in spades.

Best mid going around? Mmm I don’t think so, let’s see him put 12 months of football together first. Still hasn’t even made an all aus squad yet. I’d take Anderson over Rowell for starters.

 

[andleanback]

He is a game breaker though. He's only 23, we would get his best. He and Caldwell would be bash brothers.

You can find good mids in every draft though, if your recruiting department is good enough. The X factor players like Martin , Reid , Heeney , Rankine to a lesser extent etc are the diamonds that just don’t come along that often.
All I’m saying is you players like Rowell are almost always available in every draft. Why pay 2 top 10 picks, back yourself in to go bang bang like Freo did with serong and young.

 

[ghostdog]

I think what you see is what you get with Rowell. We all know what he is and what’ll be. There’s plenty of mids out there, he’s not a game breaker X factor that you should do anything in your power to get one. There’s good mids in every draft, why overspend on trading for Rowell.
Would I get Rowell as a free agent though, absolutely. I’m not giving up a haul of picks for him though.

We actually don't. The difference between what he is currently and what you can not project him to be is the potential he has shown through improvement. He's currently projecting as elite for disposals, tackles, clearances, with averages well above his career averages. Elite. All that can be said with certainty right now is that we don't know his potential ceiling.

 

[JayJ20]

I’m also on the Reid over Rowell bandwagon.

Rowell is a great player that will one day be the best contested player in the league. But if I’m spending draft picks, I’m going with the player that needs 5 mins to rip the game open.

Oliver without Petracca isn’t winning Melbourne the premiership. Melbourne can still win it without Oliver though as long as they have Petracca.

Likewise Cotchin without Dusty, Selwood without Danger etc.

Cripps is the best contested player in the league, but they don’t have the Dusty type to make use of Cripps’ dominance on the inside.

Rowell is a gun that any team would be happy to draft. But they still need Anderson to win a flag.

Daicos for Collingwood, Ashcroft for Brisbane. They are the players that separate a good player from a standout premiership contender.

Reid can be that person. Rowell would be perfect for Sydney as they have Heeney, Warner and Gulden, but don’t have the inside dominance.

 

[Bipolar Bear]

All I’m saying is you players like Rowell are almost always available in every draft. Why pay 2 top 10 picks, back yourself in to go bang bang like Freo did with serong and young.

When have we once in the last 20 years drafted an top level midfielder in the first round?
Let alone actually hit on a top 10 draft pick?

Merrett was a second rounder, and I am sure we only picked him because his bro was at the club.
Jobe was a a father/son.

I'd say they're our only two elite mids in 20 years.

Just pony up and buy one if you cannot develop players for shit.

 

[Duckworth]

When have we once in the last 20 years drafted an top level midfielder in the first round?
Let alone actually hit on a top 10 draft pick?

Merrett was a second rounder, and I am sure we only picked him because his bro was at the club.
Jobe was a a father/son.

I'd say they're our only two elite mids in 20 years.

Just pony up and buy one if you cannot develop players for shit.

Yup, we should draft exclusively from the MSD + SSP, where we shine.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Just pony up and buy one if you cannot develop players for shit.

Give me a list of current elite mids who weren't showing that promise from day 1, I'd imagine it wouldn't crack 10. It's little to do with develop and a lot to do with drafing. Predraft I didn't want Parish or McGrath or Tsatas or Hobbs, because they lack the attributes as juniors that would translate to effective AFL level players in the modern game. Can't really develop IQ, elite foot skills, goal sense, creativity, love for the contest, ability to cover ground with ease.

Rosa isn't Dodoro, we can't throw away the draft cause the old mate didn't have the knack for it.

 

[Bipolar Bear]

Rosa isn't Dodoro, we can't throw away the draft cause the old mate didn't have the knack for it.

We aren't throwing the draft away, we'd be getting Reid who is a rare, elite talent.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

We aren't throwing the draft away, we'd be getting Reid who is a rare, elite talent.

He is not worth 3 x forst round picks.

its that simple.

Thats before you even get to the fact he's going to demand $2M plus a year, on a massive length contract.

There is WAY too much risk with Reid. I would rather trust Rosa.

The club has also said they are going to the draft to get talent. Will be a pretty big backflip from them to then go after Reid.

 

[DapperDon]

He is not worth 3 x forst round picks.

its that simple.

Thats before you even get to the fact he's going to demand $2M plus a year, on a massive length contract.

There is WAY too much risk with Reid. I would rather trust Rosa.

The club has also said they are going to the draft to get talent. Will be a pretty big backflip from them to then go after Reid.

Hobbs, Cox and Francis

or

Harley Ried

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Hobbs, Cox and Francis

or

Harley Ried

or maybe trust Rosa?

 

[andleanback]

When have we once in the last 20 years drafted an top level midfielder in the first round?
Let alone actually hit on a top 10 draft pick?

Merrett was a second rounder, and I am sure we only picked him because his bro was at the club.
Jobe was a a father/son.

I'd say they're our only two elite mids in 20 years.

Just pony up and buy one if you cannot develop players for shit.

Except we’ve got a different list boss in charge now, who might actually value elite attributes you need to be a gun afl midfielder. If we can’t develop players / draft players for shit then we might aswell just shut up shop, bringing in Rowell wouldn’t take us anywhere.

 

[andleanback]

He is not worth 3 x forst round picks.

its that simple.

Thats before you even get to the fact he's going to demand $2M plus a year, on a massive length contract.

There is WAY too much risk with Reid. I would rather trust Rosa.

The club has also said they are going to the draft to get talent. Will be a pretty big backflip from them to then go after Reid.

It depends what those picks are. Is he worth 3 1st round picks in the 10-20 range - absolutely. 3 he worth 3 top 10 picks - probably not. When there’s literally 20-25 picks usually in a 1st round these days, that term is loose to what the picks actually are.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

It depends what those picks are. Is he worth 3 1st round picks in the 10-20 range - absolutely. 3 he worth 3 top 10 picks - probably not. When there’s literally 20-25 picks usually in a 1st round these days, that term is loose to what the picks actually are.

The eagles will want 3 top 10 picks.

 

[gillon]

He’s a ruck forward.

Joe Daniher went alright. Sam Darcy looks OK too

I am yet to see this. Perhaps more in tune draft watchers could shed light but forward craft does not look like a strength to me.

 

[andleanback]

The eagles will want 3 top 10 picks.

Not necessarily they will want fair value in their eyes. I’d say 2 top 10s and a f1 get it done, with something coming back the other way.

 

[Donflicted]

Not necessarily they will want fair value in their eyes. I’d say 2 top 10s and a f1 get it done, with something coming back the other way.

that F1 is a top ten pick

 

[andleanback]

that F1 is a top ten pick

Who is to say who’s f1 it is, and also a lot can happen in 12 months of footy.

 

[ant555]

The eagles will want 3 top 10 picks.

If they do (which they will ask for) then it could get parked for a year and then resume when Reid is out of contract.

 

[cAsEy_18]

The eagles will want 3 top 10 picks.

They well might, but then that is silly for us, or anyone for that matter, to pay that price.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Not necessarily they will want fair value in their eyes. I’d say 2 top 10s and a f1 get it done, with something coming back the other way.

ok so 3 top 10 picks

 

[andleanback]

ok so 3 top 10 picks

Again there is no guarantee where a f1 will be or what club it’ll come from.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Again there is no guarantee where a f1 will be or what club it’ll come from.

what are we trading to get a future first from another club?