AFL Toast RND 6: Win In the West

[Jobe Watson]

Just a terrible night all around. Barely beat West Coast, our defence returns to being dog poo and we lose Draper for 12 months a week after losing Bryan for 12 months. We are in serious shit.

 

[MiguelM]

West Caloast played well. Their experienced guys were good and Flynn, Hewitt and a few others stepped up. It felt like they would roll over us so pretty happy with the win. We were the equal youngest team (with Westcoast) and had 17 guys under 100 games to their 14 - so its not like we should expect to smash them.

McGovern and Kelly were big ins too.

They always bring it against us.

 

[Nicholas61]

I sympathise with Duursma. I had two rucks both land on me in a match which broke several ribs and winded me like you never believe.

I thought for a moment Duursma might have copped a broken sternum. Said to my folks at the time I think that will be a hospital job given the size of the guy who hit him and flushness.

 

[Nicholas61]

McGovern and Kelly were big ins too.

They always bring it against us.

Yep and Hewett was very dangerous. Scott mentioned we rated him highly in that draft . Leaving a non competitive Allen out did a lot of good for them IMO.

 

[nipst@r]

Confidence restored in Zach Reid. Just looks like an elite backman. Bar Adelaide haha.

I think pleasing this year is most players have fought back and played well quite quickly. After 3 shockers, prior has had 2 good games. Reid the same.

Mckay still struggling and being exploited though.

I'll take back to back interstate wins, 3 in a row. I still rate us as bottom 5-6 so it's good we can still win despite playing atrocious.

 

[Gumby2Hurley]

Just a terrible night all around. Barely beat West Coast, our defence returns to being dog poo and we lose Draper for 12 months a week after losing Bryan for 12 months. We are in serious shit.

After tonight finishing 14th sounds about right imo.
us
North <shit>
Melbourne <club is ****ed>
Richmond <rebuilding>
Eagles <rebuilding>

 

[Stopher]

Through all the pissing and moaning, it's barely been mentioned what an outstanding performance it was from 2MP.

 

[Snake Charmer]

Nah. Shit start, but toughed it out away and 5 goals down. Solid win.

 

[Seattle Mariners]

I mentioned earlier this week that you have the fixture to play finals.

Brad Scott’s an extremely high quality coach and your supporter base should be expecting finals by year 3 of his tenure.

 

[eth-dog]

I mentioned earlier this week that you have the fixture to play finals.

Brad Scott’s an extremely high quality coach and your supporter base should be expecting finals by year 3 of his tenure.

Nah. We shouldn't. Tactically he's not strong and our list isn't there

 

[DERO]

Gutsy win.

 

[Lore]

I mentioned earlier this week that you have the fixture to play finals.

Brad Scott’s an extremely high quality coach and your supporter base should be expecting finals by year 3 of his tenure.

We are in a rebuild and have copped LTIs to key players over the last three weeks.

If we play finals then we will have ****ed up our opportunity to go to the draft, and for no gain.

 

[DERO]

Harley Reid looked very friendly with the boys after the game.

 

[Beerfish]

Harley Reid looked very friendly with the boys after the game.

Sure pissed off some The West Coast supporters too

 

[DERO]

Sure pissed off some The West Coast supporters too

Good

 

[Lore]

Harley Reid looked very friendly with the boys after the game.

Did he go see Duursma though? His girlfriends brother…

 

[ant555]

We won. We know we are not great in several areas of the game. At least we are running out games and able to make something of the games where we have poor periods. The long game is 3 to 5 years ahead when we cycle through more players. As much as we played poorly (I have not seen the game only the mini, so I am relying on others takes here) we showed a bit of fight to come from 5 goals down which has been missing in the past. We all know we have players we need to turn over in the next 2 years. How they fought back will build the culture over time. Would be great if they could come out and put a complete game together for sure but we are who we are right now.

 

[Milanista28]

It's hard to get excited when in a 'rebuild' year your starting center bounce set up is Merrett, Setterfield and Shiel.

We've got a sniff of a mid table finish and we'll fight our way to 10th.

Parish, Guelfi, Langers, Goldy and Laverde will be in by years end as well. We aren't that young.

 

[ant555]

It's hard to get excited when in a 'rebuild' year your starting center bounce set up is Merrett, Setterfield and Shiel.

We've got a sniff of a mid table finish and we'll fight our way to 10th.

Parish, Guelfi, Langers, Goldy and Laverde will be in by years end as well. We aren't that young.

As we have discussed many times it depends on how you see rebuild. Hawks started O'Mera and Mitchell in the middle in their last year.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

We won. We know we are not great in several areas of the game. At least we are running out games and able to make something of the games where we have poor periods. The long game is 3 to 5 years ahead when we cycle through more players. As much as we played poorly (I have not seen the game only the mini, so I am relying on others takes here) we showed a bit of fight to come from 5 goals down which has been missing in the past. We all know we have players we need to turn over in the next 2 years. How they fought back will build the culture over time. Would be great if they could come out and put a complete game together for sure but we are who we are right now.

My main disappointment was we shouldve known they would bring extra pressure and attack at the contested ball after all the media scrutiny.
So unsurprisingly they smashed us in 1st quarter in ground ball gets, contested ball, pressure rating etc, Which resulted in us going back to the terrible slow chip kicking game.
It required a quarter time coaches address for the guys to be reminded that's not how we want to move the ball now.
I've been saying it since mid point of last season but this is why I'm really down on ridley, mcgrath and redman as I feel like they should be the ones keeping the backline on message but often it's them falling back into old habits (mcgrath with dump kicks, redman going missing and ridley going the dinky kicks that pad his stats sheet).
Ridley so often takes the safe little kick to the pocket from a kick in that does nothing but invite more pressure on a guy with less kicking skills than him, it came a cropper in 3rd quarter when he turned the ball over to hewett for a goal. Wouldn't he rather turn the ball over up the ground than have us hemmed in our d50? It may result in him having a lower DE% but means our backline is under less pressure.

It's actually the three newest defenders in reid, prior and Roberts who lead the way with ball movement/compsure from our d50, a great example was Roberts was about to give a handball whilst being tackled but realised the guy he was targeting was under pressure too, he was able to stay strong in the tackle and find a longer option in clear. Redman and mcgrath would've just taken the first option.

Two others I'll give some positive praise for in getting us back on track were shiel and Setterfield, zach had a down game by his standards but they kept fighting through and stuck to the forward hand ball type game we want in the midfield congestion.

 

[srobbo]

We are the only club capable of butchering a game against a WAFL standard team. Pies will pulverise us next week

 

[Milanista28]

As we have discussed many times it depends on how you see rebuild. Hawks started O'Mera and Mitchell in the middle in their last year.

Yep, and Mitchell realised it was a mistake and punted them.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

We won. We know we are not great in several areas of the game. At least we are running out games and able to make something of the games where we have poor periods. The long game is 3 to 5 years ahead when we cycle through more players. As much as we played poorly (I have not seen the game only the mini, so I am relying on others takes here) we showed a bit of fight to come from 5 goals down which has been missing in the past. We all know we have players we need to turn over in the next 2 years. How they fought back will build the culture over time. Would be great if they could come out and put a complete game together for sure but we are who we are right now.

Yep, this is true. We lose this game most times in the past decade or so.

 

[Squeaky]

My main disappointment was we shouldve known they would bring extra pressure and attack at the contested ball after all the media scrutiny.
So unsurprisingly they smashed us in 1st quarter in ground ball gets, contested ball, pressure rating etc, Which resulted in us going back to the terrible slow chip kicking game.
It required a quarter time coaches address for the guys to be reminded that's not how we want to move the ball now.
I've been saying it since mid point of last season but this is why I'm really down on ridley, mcgrath and redman as I feel like they should be the ones keeping the backline on message but often it's them falling back into old habits (mcgrath with dump kicks, redman going missing and ridley going the dinky kicks that pad his stats sheet).
Ridley so often takes the safe little kick to the pocket from a kick in that does nothing but invite more pressure on a guy with less kicking skills than him, it came a cropper in 3rd quarter when he turned the ball over to hewett for a goal. Wouldn't he rather turn the ball over up the ground than have us hemmed in our d50? It may result in him having a lower DE% but means our backline is under less pressure.

It's actually the three newest defenders in reid, prior and Roberts who lead the way with ball movement/compsure from our d50, a great example was Roberts was about to give a handball whilst being tackled but realised the guy he was targeting was under pressure too, he was able to stay strong in the tackle and find a longer option in clear. Redman and mcgrath would've just taken the first option.

Two others I'll give some positive praise for in getting us back on track were shiel and Setterfield, zach had a down game by his standards but they kept fighting through and stuck to the forward hand ball type game we want in the midfield congestion.

Good take.
That Roberts example is spot on. He's a player.
My comments during this match were if we cannot move the ball V WCE, we are in all sorts next week. The Pies defensive set up is elite. Last night was a walk in the park in comparison.

 

[ant555]

Yep, and Mitchell realised it was a mistake and punted them.

At the end of the season. Rebuild is also about realising you have made an error with young blokes as well.