How do WC supporters view MM?

[Pie eyed]

I was discussing this with a Kalgoorlie based mate and wondered how you, the West Coast supporters view Mick Malthouse as a coach and a person.
I thought of doing a poll but it tends to limit the options of respondents.

Personally I think he is a man of high standards and excellent character and Collingwood are lucky to have had his influence at our club.

You?

 

[azreal]

He was good for us, didn't really mind when he left as it was probably time for a change anyway. Seems like a good bloke, knows his stuff, gets the best from his players.

 

[lewigie]

An arseh*le.

Not playing Worsfold in his last game is horrible.

Yeah he gets the best from his players, and I bet he's a great coach, but I just hate him.

 

[sTeeL]

Still one of my favourite coaches. He helped win us 2 premierships. He is very straight with his answers and I prefer his no bullshit approach compared to some of the other coaches.

No grudge against the guy, it was probably best for both parties that he moved on when he did.

 

[Underdog]

Very good coach.

Just don't let him get involved with drafting as he'll leave your club a mess.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

An arseh*le.

Not playing Worsfold in his last game is horrible.
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Almost forgot about that. I think Peter Matera didnt play that final either.

Good coach has proved himself at Collingwood without as good a team as he had in the early nineties with West Coast.

Longevity is pretty bloody good too.

 

[Snooperclyde]

An arseh*le.

Not playing Worsfold in his last game is horrible.

Yeah he gets the best from his players, and I bet he's a great coach, but I just hate him.

Turned me against him for years...........Woosha was captain

I must admit he has earned my respect back with what he has achieved at Collingwood, you would be taking quite the risk letting him go.

 

[zero]

he could be grumpy and grizzled for australia, and if he doesent like you, then he will act like a bastard and treat you like crap. so personally, hes not the greatest guy in the world.

good coach though, and did an amazing vote for us

 

[Marlin01]

He is widely credited as the man most responsible for bringing a level of professionalism to West Coast that did not exist previously. I think the fact that he is Victorian helped us overcome the huge obstacles associated with winning a premiership from WA. I personally think of him as a bloke that brought a lot of respect to the club, which we still enjoy today.

 

[drexel]

Always felt he was/is the best coach of this era (despite the stats).

Winning a flag from interstate was a monumental achievement, especially when you look at travel and the fact it was unknown territory in Football history.

Always had a level of intelligence and aura about him that made/gave the whole organization that sense of elite status.

He threw away all his 'Vic' alliegence in a personal/proffesional sense (unlike say Chris Connolly/Drum/Schwabb who couldn't suck enough Vic **** while they were here)... he even coached a great Sof Origin win.

The criticism re how he left our list is completely over the top. Saying we should of cleaned out old players (champions mind you) is ridiculous when you consider even in 99 finals, we knocked off the Bulldogs who were one of the favs. Also we were screwed by AFL for 2 final series... 96 was a definate chance of winning.

Even though Matthews is considered the greater coach, Sheedy too... i'd still personally place Malthouse above both of them considering all factors.

 

[Goldfish]

An arseh*le.

Not playing Worsfold in his last game is horrible.

Yeah he gets the best from his players, and I bet he's a great coach, but I just hate him.

I remember thinking the same thing, and then Woosha did it to Phil in the 2005 Grand Final ...

I'd take (a 90% fit) Phil over a Travis Gasper, Kasey Green, Gardiner, Butler (too young, got 2 disposals). When you consider we lost by 4 points it is definitely one that got away.

Back on topic, MM is a good coach, was blessed with an excellent list at WCE and did not leave the club in the best shape, however from a match day point of view rate him one of the best in the competition.

 

[bunsen burner]

He is widely credited as the man most responsible for bringing a level of professionalism to West Coast that did not exist previously.

The level of preofessionalism he brought didn't exist across the whole VFL/AFL at that time either. He changed the game.

I makes me laugh when people remember North as the team of the 90s. Their on paper stats are very similar, impossible to split. But what gives the Eagles the edge is they changed the game. Their influence on the game was far more than North's.

 

[bunsen burner]

I remember thinking the same thing, and then Woosha did it to Phil in the 2005 Grand Final ...

I'd take (a 90% fit) Phil over a Travis Gasper, Kasey Green, Gardiner, Butler (too young, got 2 disposals). When you consider we lost by 4 points it is definitely one that got away.

Easy to say that in hindsight. But the facts were our balance was better without Matera in the team.

 

[bunsen burner]

Personally I think he is a man of high standards and excellent character and Collingwood are lucky to have had his influence at our club.

You?

Does it concern you that he is not quite capable of building a list good enough to go all the way?

When he first came into Collingwood he made immediate inroads. He may have been better off spending a season tinkering and playing kids. Maybe that draft pick he would have got may have got him over the line against the Lions?

He's doing it again right now. He has a good list and will probably exceeed the expectation and have the top 4 by EOS. But can he realistically win a flag with that group?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Easy to say that in hindsight. But the facts were our balance was better without Matera in the team.

No small forward and three ruckmen gave us better team balance?

We were missing our top two goal scorers that year (Matera and Lynch), and replaced them with a couple of guys who had barely played AFL footy that year.

 

[Underdog]

The criticism re how he left our list is completely over the top. Saying we should of cleaned out old players (champions mind you) is ridiculous when you consider even in 99 finals, we knocked off the Bulldogs who were one of the favs. Also we were screwed by AFL for 2 final series... 96 was a definate chance of winning.

It's more he got too involved with the drafting process and as such, we basically threw our picks away on crabs.

Combined with an aging list, it just hammered the side.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

He is the best coach West Coast have ever had, I hold him in high regard.

 

[bunsen burner]

No small forward and three ruckmen gave us better team balance?

We were missing our top two goal scorers that year (Matera and Lynch), and replaced them with a couple of guys who had barely played AFL footy that year.

Our forward line wasn't functioning properly with Matera in it.

 

[understudy]

Does it concern you that he is not quite capable of building a list good enough to go all the way?

When he first came into Collingwood he made immediate inroads. He may have been better off spending a season tinkering and playing kids. Maybe that draft pick he would have got may have got him over the line against the Lions?

He's doing it again right now. He has a good list and will probably exceeed the expectation and have the top 4 by EOS. But can he realistically win a flag with that group?

Spot on bunsen burner this is what I and many Collingwood supporters feel and believe and why many of us have been lobbying the Collingwood board not to reappoint MM.

Playing, recruiting and retaining the likes of L Brown (14 games this year), B Johnson (selecting this week on the back of little form), A Corrie (played earlier in the year on the back of my form), Anthony Rocca (played on the back of no form) in 2009 (and many others over the years) is symptomatic of why MM is not the man to take Collingwood forward in 2010 ....

MM has been a good coach, was great for WC and has been ok for Collingwood but has not delivered a flag in his 10 years at the helm and its now time for Collingwood to move on in 2010 ....

 

[ndot]

worsfold was underdone and out of form. i thought it was the correct decision at the time.

the kind of tough decision that worsfold would not be capable of making.

 

[ziad]

Mick is an excellent coach. Any club should be pleased to have him.

He coached WC to two GF. But, with perhaps the most talented list ever assembled. This was an accident of history and WC entry into the AFL. Eg Dean Kemp picked up at 92 in the draft etc. I watched some videos the other day of 92-94 and the skill levels were amazing. Probably this was not best recognised in the east.

He made a strong to very strong contribution but with the list should have had back to back premierships. This is a black mark.

Late in his time his draft selections where very poor resulting in our decline. What was his direct involvement, I don’t know. This is an uncertainty

He established a powerful but very defensive style. I am not sure if the legacy of this style has allowed WC to adapt as quickly to the new game as some. The magpies seem to have adapted quicker, perhaps Mick has grown? This is an uncertainty.

All in all a B+ with reservations.

 

[understudy]

Mick is an excellent coach. Any club should be pleased to have him.

He coached WC to two GF. But, with perhaps the most talented list ever assembled. This was an accident of history and WC entry into the AFL. Eg Dean Kemp picked up at 92 in the draft etc. I watched some videos the other day of 92-94 and the skill levels were amazing. Probably this was not best recognised in the east.

He made a strong to very strong contribution but with the list should have had back to back premierships. This is a black mark.

Late in his time his draft selections where very poor resulting in our decline. What was his direct involvement, I don’t know. This is an uncertainty

He established a powerful but very defensive style. I am not sure if the legacy of this style has allowed WC to adapt as quickly to the new game as some. The magpies seem to have adapted quicker, perhaps Mick has grown? This is an uncertainty.

All in all a B+ with reservations.

Micks had quite a bit of involvement in our (colllingwoods) drafting and trading which has been disastorous, for example trading for Morrison and A Williams from WC.

Re adapting i think that is the influence of his assistant coaches more than mick himself. ie Laidely over 2002-03 and McKenna and others with our bench rotations that started in 2007.

Nothing agasint the guy but he is 55, is now a grandparent, has had health issues and with Collingwood coming into a potential window over the next 4 to 5 years we need a coach that can be their over that period.

As MM is getting near the end and has had a 10 years without delivering, its time for the club to move on ...

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Great Coach, has done a much better job developing young talent at Collingwood than at West Coast.

Probably should have won more flags as a coach.

 

[bunsen burner]

Probably should have won more flags as a coach.

But he never built teams to be able to win more. He's always been able to get average or good teams performing at peak but most often that's not enough.

I know it's a big hurdle for you to try and comprehend this concept, but give it a shot. You might just surprise yourself and see the light.

 

[Eagle Number1000]

yeah great coach that Mick was.
what can you say, he got a cr*ppy team like collingwood into a grannie in 2002

I remember that game when we were playing the bulldogs and he just went nuts in the coaches box- now that's passion.