Hamling isn't far off it, especially his legs. Although looks like he has added a bit over the offseason. Fair way to go though i'd think.Yeah seriously, Roberts & Hamling aren't sticks but those two are ridiculous.
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Hamling isn't far off it, especially his legs. Although looks like he has added a bit over the offseason. Fair way to go though i'd think.Yeah seriously, Roberts & Hamling aren't sticks but those two are ridiculous.
I don't doubt the tactic at all. I'm just having a dig at anyone who calls any club a 'winner' immediately after the draft.You can win a tactical battle in the draft and that is what we seem to have done. To trade down pick eleven and, as a result, draft two players that we rate much higher than 20/21 was a tactical win.
That those players slid only means that we rate them more highly than other clubs. Don't assume that that means we were wrong in our assessments. We seem to have had a pretty good recent track record of getting our ratings correct and I think we are among the very best clubs at assessing talent. I'd suggest that the odds are that the clubs that let Dunkley and Collins slide have made a mistake. We massively improved our list during very difficult times when most of the supposedly better kids went to the expansion clubs... and we did it without a raft of really high draft picks.
I don't doubt the tactic at all. I'm just having a dig at anyone who calls any club a 'winner' immediately after the draft.
On top of all that, physically these 2 guys really aren't that far behind guys that we could have drafted last year (Marchbank, Lever, Durdin) or even the year before (Gardiner). Obviously there are a lot of other areas they will need to get up to speed with, but physicality is probably the most common factor that slows a kpp's development.In the most convoluted way it turned out perfect.
We always desperately needed some big arse defenders, it is by far our biggest and maybe our only weakness (depending on whether Roughy, Minson or Campbell can lift). Many of us were disappointed that we couldn't get Carlisle. Some of us had thought it was a no brainer done deal. As it turns out Carlisle has some serious behavioural issues. Fortunately for us the saints didn't care, they wanted a key defender and were determined to get Carlisle. Had the Saints not got their man, there was every chance they would have gone for Kieran Collins themselves.
At the end of the trade period, I and others were despairing that we had failed to rectify our key defensive weakness, which with the advent of our fire sale of Talia was now even a bigger hole.
I spat the dummy, because I thought even if we recruited some quality key defenders, I felt they would require 2-3 years of development before they could be of real value and our top 6 are going to be firing during that period and would be let down by a gapping hole in our defence.
To then pick up 2 guys, Adams & Collins, who are physically mature, who also possess a range of elite qualities superior to either Talia or Roberts is astounding. We have clutched victory from the jaws of defeat. Mark my words, even in 2016, Roberts will have to produce his best consistently to stay ahead of either of these two beasts. Yes they may take a little bit time to adjust but they have both have elite qualities.
So in my mind, if one of either Adams or Collins becomes an A grader - then this draft rates A+ anything more is a bonus. If neither than you still have to give the recruiting team credit for giving us a great shot at rectifying a dire need.
You make interesting reading!This makes interesting reading
Williams - Yep, gonna be a good player for a long timeThis makes interesting reading
I'd be disappointed if you weren't combative. I think you're twitter account would be something to behold.You make interesting reading!
Sorry I'm in a combative mood tonight...I need to get off Facebook and Twitter .
Its amazing looking back at these 2 draft/trade periods' and seeing that 7 guys who have come in have already won a premiership.I think with this draft you have to look at what we have added in our past 2 seasons, we have added Boyd hamling Cordy Collins and Adams that is our bookends right there for the next 10 years. We also added part players suck as Biggs suckling adcock?? (Maybe) then when you add Dunkley to McLean Webb Daniel dale and Williams that's starting to become a very good midfield group.
My favourite pick in this draft is Marcus Adams. Looks like a player who will be ready to play almost straight away with enormous potential and traits that will translate well to AFL level. Would anyone complain if he were used up forward with his power/speed/marking allowing Stringer more midfield time with possibly not much lost up forward? With Collins, Zordy and Hamling down back and Roberts, Morris still able to fill key posts I think our backline looks pretty strong anyway. It may not happen this year but I see it as a real possibility going forward. Adams just adds to our versatility.
My second favourite pick is our last one. Bailey Williams looks like he has huge upside and talent and has already some elite athletic traits (agility, maybe not elite but has good endurance). His stand out playing traits seem to be in tight where he has great hands and great decision making by hand under pressure but he can also get on the outside and link up by hand. He would not look out of place when we go on one of our lightning handball chains, you know the ones where it looks like we are going too fast for ourselves then magically someone bursts into the clear.
The Collins pick I feel was the most necessary. He has great size for his position which is something we haven't had a great run of in key backs lately. He is also terrific one on one which to be frank our key backs weren't great at either especially Talia. He needs some work on his kicking, in his highlights video he had some brian lake syndrome where his short kicks had a strange trajectory but his long kicks looked ok. He also appears to need improvement in his body shape but he's only 17 so he has time on his side. He is a lockdown defender though so if he can lockdown on the opposition's most dangerous, big forward say a Hawkins or Kennedy then he'd be worth every bit of this pick. I am confident he has the tools to do the job.
Finally the Dunkley pick, our first. This to me was our surprise pick of the draft not because of the name but because of his playing style. He is a low risk possibly high reward type of player where if he can improve in certain areas he could be a real unique asset to our team. He is the right size to be a modern inside mid so hopefully Bevo can get the absolute best out of him and he can become a Mick Barlow type - a good inside mid with height who is good defensively and can sneak forward and take a mark and kick a goal. Smart ball user so must be consistent with his ball use to really succeed.
Overall I have given us a B+ as I think we drafted well. We let a few skilled players slide but I am not too worried and I can see our list really taking shape if we have again nailed the draft. All the holes in the list seem to have been filled except the ruck position so hopefully our midfield can help make up for this and by next season we have an above average ruck who can get to marking contests around the ground. If we draft Nyuon in the rookie Draft I'd give our off season an A+.
This thread is about the 2015 draftF
Seriously the people that voted A are so laughable its beyond a joke.
We did donuts. Try and twist and pretend we ended up on top but if you think moving up a few picks and keeping Jong is a success then you truly are all still drunk from the GF.
Premiership team and we did bubcus is at best a C and in my opinion a fail.
This thread is about the 2015 draft
That fact the draft hasn't happened yet this year might of given it away too...Then someone put 2015 up there for dumbasses like me
Dude come on....F
Seriously the people that voted A are so laughable its beyond a joke.
We did donuts. Try and twist and pretend we ended up on top but if you think moving up a few picks and keeping Jong is a success then you truly are all still drunk from the GF.
Premiership team and we did bubcus is at best a C and in my opinion a fail.
With a December birthday if I'm not mistakenNot sure if I commented on this last year, if I did I hope i was prophetic enough to say we nailed it. Lol.
Collins is still a bit unknown, but shows enough to be granted the time KP prospect can take. Suffers from the fact he looks 10 years older than he is and is built like brick shizenhuaser, when he's just a kid in his first year.
Apart from the part about Gach Nyuon, he's already been delisted. Thank heavens for Roughead.Nailed it.