Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 3

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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[Navyblues09]

The way I see it

a) Using poorly trained private security to enforce hotel quarantine was a HUGE mistake. The idea behind hotel quarantining was, in itself, pretty sound. The containment was f’ed.

B) Dan Andrews' government since hotel quarantine failed - A+. This is coming from someone who has lost his job. There has been a lot of financial pain and hardship, and I feel that something more that Dan could have done to this end was freeze out the paying of land/council rates altogether so this could be passed on to the small business owner. No overheads while your business remains shuttered. That could have saved many businesses.

But, that's a what-if. When I look at the degenerating United States of America; when I look at the reeling European Union states; when I look at the falling-apart-at-the-seams United Kingdom, when I look at the host of hot messes worldwide I think we in Victoria have recovered the initial horrible fumble. That sentiment will never recover the lives already lost, but there could be tens of thousands more lives to add to that bill.

Guess what? There aren't.

I'm voting Labor next election.

The problem is if the only answer to fix your own failures is to lock up 5 million people for 16 weeks, then there is clearly major issues.

Then to have DHHS still making massive errors which nearly cost us further time locked down, well its hard to say great job

The one question I and many have for Dan now is, what's the plan? If we get another outbreak is it lock down again? Or have they got some half competent contact tracing to stop it happening again?

 

[Evolved1]

Have any LNP voters turned to the ALP as a result of the handling of COVID?

Count me among the group of semi-regular ALP voters who voted for Dan previously but won't be voting for him again. He's an arrogant incompetent twerp who couldn't manage a root in a brothel. The second wave has been handled reasonably well if daily stats are your sole guide, but the collateral damage has been massive due to the sledgehammer approach used.

I actually thought O'Briens plan for handling covid made a lot more sense than that of the Andrews government.

 

[Todman]

 

[freebloke]

Fellow Victorians... we’ve been collectively violated by this incompetent government. I hope Andrews goes soon and this whole saga becomes a distant forgettable episode of our lives.

 

[Pessimistic]

Not sure if you’re for real or gagging.

Gold Standard of “controlling” would be great communication, brilliant contact tracing and controlling numbers WITHOUT brutal, extended, punitive lockdowns that cost tens of thousands of people their jobs, livelihoods and businesses.

Maybe I missed something but I haven’t seen any of this.

I think you can only manage the nuances of track and trace with lower numbers of cases. Every story is different and unique from others. So the team managing the cases talk to each other, get on top of it.

when you try to ramp up the scale, you have more tracking resources and the interconnect is harder. They can manage standard cases well, but not the ones outside the model.

 

[Pessimistic]

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So we reckon we’ve all got Stockholm syndrome?

 

[Kwality]

This is an issue at both State, and federal levels, political allegiance doesn't seem to be an issue.

I'm scared about it too, still think the VIC/ Aus economy goes as follows:
Oct-December: Sugar hit from VIC tourism/ states opening up
Jan: Sugar hit continues but starts to taper off.
Feb: Economy becomes a bit shakier as mortgage repayments become due across the board.
March: JK ends, economy flatlines at best, at worst regresses.
April +: Anything could happen.

Immigration isn't going to ramp up for 3-6 months until Aussies are home, and apart from NSW and VIC (yes i know) aren't capable of dealing with an uptick in cases. Every other state was incredibly lucky people were so sh*t scared of the virus that most cases just remained as returned travellers.

Yep political allegiance is not relevant, although it wont stop the academics or the cheer squads .

The problems for Vic are different to any other State, but your timeline for Vic is spot on. Without international tourism I can see the local economy Australia-wide slowing down by mid 2021.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

The one question I and many have for Dan now is, what's the plan? If we get another outbreak is it lock down again? Or have they got some half competent contact tracing to stop it happening again?

Definitely a valid question. Containment and lockdown do work but they also hurt. A LOT. The dice have got to be thrown now though - roll and see what Xmas and the first season of summer have to throw at us.

Apart from repatriated Aussies who will be going straight to quarantine (if hotelled ADF guards this time!!) and the New Zealand 'bubble' I don't really want to see any overseas tourists coming here at all. I don't think its safe and we can't risk it.

 

[Spitty_the_alpaca]

So we reckon we’ve all got Stockholm syndrome?

Absolutely

 

[AM]

Have any LNP voters turned to the ALP as a result of the handling of COVID?

Count me among the group of semi-regular ALP voters who voted for Dan previously but won't be voting for him again. He's an arrogant incompetent twerp who couldn't manage a root in a brothel. The second wave has been handled reasonably well if daily stats are your sole guide, but the collateral damage has been massive due to the sledgehammer approach used.

I actually thought O'Briens plan for handling covid made a lot more sense than that of the Andrews government.

What plan?

 

[Todman]

Apart from repatriated Aussies who will be going straight to quarantine (if hotelled ADF guards this time!!) and the New Zealand 'bubble' I don't really want to see any overseas tourists coming here at all. I don't think its safe and we can't risk it.

Ya wouldn't want to own airline shares for quids.

 

[Evolved1]

What plan?

There is a genuine alternative to the Andrews road map

Nobody wants to see a continuation of Melbourne’s second wave. But shutting down our lives, our schools and our workplaces is no answer.

www.theage.com.au

From October 15.

 

[Funk]

The way I see it

a) Using poorly trained private security to enforce hotel quarantine was a HUGE mistake. The idea behind hotel quarantining was, in itself, pretty sound. The containment was f’ed.

B) Dan Andrews' government since hotel quarantine failed - A+. This is coming from someone who has lost his job. There has been a lot of financial pain and hardship, and I feel that something more that Dan could have done to this end was freeze out the paying of land/council rates altogether so this could be passed on to the small business owner. No overheads while your business remains shuttered. That could have saved many businesses.

But, that's a what-if. When I look at the degenerating United States of America; when I look at the reeling European Union states; when I look at the falling-apart-at-the-seams United Kingdom, when I look at the host of hot messes worldwide I think we in Victoria have recovered the initial horrible fumble. That sentiment will never recover the lives already lost, but there could be tens of thousands more lives to add to that bill.

Guess what? There aren't.

I'm voting Labor next election.

Stop looking overseas and look over the MURRAY.

It’s the most realistic comparison.

In comparison Andrews performance has been absolutely diabolical and I’m very surprised you can’t recognise that.

 

[AM]

There is a genuine alternative to the Andrews road map

Nobody wants to see a continuation of Melbourne’s second wave. But shutting down our lives, our schools and our workplaces is no answer.

www.theage.com.au

From October 15.

Thanks for that.

Took him a long time to produce, sketchy as it is. And it runs counter to the advice of people from esteemed infectious diseases bodies. Doherty Institute, Burnet Institute two for example.

Has he a plan for the third wave after opening-up too soon?

 

[Funk]

Have any LNP voters turned to the ALP as a result of the handling of COVID?

Count me among the group of semi-regular ALP voters who voted for Dan previously but won't be voting for him again. He's an arrogant incompetent twerp who couldn't manage a root in a brothel. The second wave has been handled reasonably well if daily stats are your sole guide, but the collateral damage has been massive due to the sledgehammer approach used.

I actually thought O'Briens plan for handling covid made a lot more sense than that of the Andrews government.

But could definitely manage a root while “working” as a security guard in hotel quarantine..............

 

[Evolved1]

Thanks for that.

Took him a long time to produce, sketchy as it is. And it runs counter to the advice of people from esteemed infectious diseases bodies. Doherty Institute, Burnet Institute two for example.

Has he a plan for the third wave after opening-up too soon?

If you look outside of your circle, I'm sure you'll find experts with differing opinions to your precious Dan.

Have you heard the term 'confirmation bias'?

 

[Funk]

Thanks for that.

Took him a long time to produce, sketchy as it is. And it runs counter to the advice of people from esteemed infectious diseases bodies. Doherty Institute, Burnet Institute two for example.

Has he a plan for the third wave after opening-up too soon?

Open your f***ing eyes.

NSW people have been living relatively normally for months with infections far, far higher than Victoria has had in last few weeks.

This shows categorically that with competent management COVID can be managed.

It would be almost impossible for anyone to f*** things up worse than Andrews has.

 

[AM]

If you look outside of your circle, I'm sure you'll find experts with differing opinions to your precious Dan.

Have you heard the term 'confirmation bias'?

I have heard the term. One familiar to many here. You included.

The overwhelming view from epidemiologists and infectious diseases specialists is the outbreak has been handled well. No one expects the rightists who have consumed this board to acknowledge that.

Victoria is one of the few places to have brought a second wave under control and in so doing get back to zero figures.

Mistakes have been made and Dan may have to pay a price for those mistakes. But, as we speak, most Victorians seem to think he's doing okay. And are irritated by the politicking and personal attacks.

 

[Mateyman]

Open your f***ing eyes.

NSW people have been living relatively normally for months with infections far, far higher than Victoria has had in last few weeks.

This shows categorically that with competent management COVID can be managed.

It would be almost impossible for anyone to f*** things up worse than Andrews has.

This isn't a great comparison - in terms of unknown cases which are one of the main concerns for the government response NSW has had under 10 over 2 weeks for pretty much their entire 'second wave', whereas we've just dipped below this mark now.

 

[bluespooner]

You tell me, zealot. I can't imagine there would be too many examples of a leader being stupid enough to contain infected people in hotels, while rejecting support from the defence force and hiring private, untrained security to keep it contained.

At least he gave them training in diversity.

 

[doyley]

Victoria is one of the few places to have brought a second wave under control and in so doing get back to zero

This red herring has reared its head again from dan cultists.

The second wave was caused by andrew’s mismanagement and that is an indisputable fact. Fact is when you compare him to the rest of the country consequently we are the only location which has such a bad second wave.

This comment you made is akin to saying that arsonist who started one of the bushfires should be commended for calling the fire into 000. The actions dan took to control the second wave were necessary due to himstuffing things multiple times

 

[Nikita Blue]

I'm not about to waste my time going through your silliness. Other than to say it's not the only poll showing Dan hasn't suffered a major hit in the polls. There's one by Roy Morgan and one by Essential.Maybe others.

Now you can return to your deluded state.

Come on now who are you going to believe actual polls or all his friends?

 

[HairyO]

This isn't a great comparison - in terms of unknown cases which are one of the main concerns for the government response NSW has had under 10 over 2 weeks for pretty much their entire 'second wave', whereas we've just dipped below this mark now.

But we stopped each spike by contact tracers quickly tracking everyone at risk and getting them tested and quarantined.

So a few hundred people stay home while 8 million go about their lives.

 

[FIGJAM]

 

[FIGJAM]

I think Andrews should move the 11.59pm tonight to 11.59am this morning so that we can all have a lunchtime jar!