Are they using that facility for covid positive people who need a hospital bed? Assuming nurses will be there too? Absolutely it’s something.
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Are they using that facility for covid positive people who need a hospital bed? Assuming nurses will be there too? Absolutely it’s something.
one of the abject failures in UKs early covid admin was they built 'nightingale' hospitals which were for mild Covid cases not needing ICU, but they were largely unused and they sent elderly hospital patients back to aged care knowing they were infected. They buit the facility but failed to use it where it could do most good.
But Hey BoJo seems to have survived an inquiry saying "possible the biggest public health failure ever' but now looks in strife because they had an office party...the optics again. Incredible
Remote learning is better than interrupted learning for students. The best opportunity for young people to learn & socialise is in an environment where consistency can occur in the classroom. Consistency won't occur when every other day either one of their teachers or their classmates are absent because they have COVID. It will lead to a heavily disrupted curriculum and high levels of anxiety around a virus.
That's what I'm advocating for--- time for the DET to create a plan to create a safe and consistent environment. Morrison's "Day 1, Term 1" mantra does not have a real plan behind it.
They've missed 2 additional weeks in pupil free days in 2 years.
Pretending that NO learning occurred during remote learning is an exaggeration and incredibly disrespectful to the hard work of teachers over the past 2 years.
Expect you're arguing with a teacher who interacts with hundreds of students a year and trying to invalidate my opinion based off a large cohort because you're two children had a different experience.
But if you want a broader response. This is the response from Victorian teachers yesterday---
AEU: Education sector needs urgent national COVID plan | Australian Education Union (AEU) Victorian Branch
7 January 2022 The Australian Education Union stands ready to work constructively with the National Cabinet on plans for the return to school, as flagged by the Prime Minister on Wednesday. “There are major challenges coming towards schools across the country as a result of the Omicron wave of...www.aeuvic.asn.au
So in summary..
- Let's plan to make a plan
- Let's ask for more time.. 2 years into the pandemic and in the middle of school holidays when schools are empty
- Let's pretend the disruptions of the past 2 years weren't as bad as they were.. because another term of "consistent" online learning of 1 hour of daily webcams and endless Seesaw tasks is apparently better than your regular teacher being off for a 2 week stretch with covid. Especially when learning how to read and write.. makes perfect sense.
- They haven't missed 35 weeks of face to face learning.. they've only missed 2 weeks!! (LOL.. that is gold and Warney would be proud of that spin).
- And finally let's ask for more time while we make our plan
Bureaucracy at its absolutely finest!
Fortunately as much as I can't stand Dan, he is ruthlessly political and there is no f'n way he's shutting schools to start term. They're making that clear in the press. The backlash could cost them government and he won't risk it.
The approach here in Vic is tempered by both feds and state going to the polls in 2022. Smart people might judge we should be following harsher lock downs and act accordingly on an indifidual basis
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Well there's no F**** plan so far mate. The Prime Minister stood up yesterday and literally said that schools needed to remain open otherwise parents would have to stay home. That's not words of a man who cares about the education, health or wellbeing of our children.
The AEU made a statement last night, which I shared with you asking for the same things that I was suggesting-- A safe learning environment. We're not seeing that put in place.
There is restrictions in place regarding density limits and vaccine mandates in a range of sectors, so it's not that ridiculous to suggest that education should have some level of rules implemented to ensure that the health and wellbeing of our youngest citizens is cared for. I don't give a F*** mate if you're over having your two children at home-- I'm not thinking about two children right now, I'm thinking about the entire cohort.
Sounds like you have very little idea what happens in a classroom then mate
Schools having COVID outbreaks is significantly more than just "your regular teaching being off for a 2 week stretch". Students take time to adjust to routine and impactful change makes learning almost impossible. Anytime a significant portion of students are out of the classroom it makes it impossible to teach new content, meaning student clusters lead to "dead" time in the classroom that wouldn't occur if all students had equitable opportunities to learn from home.
Little Jimmy who's quaranting at home because his older sister has COVID shouldn't miss out on learning because Tiger08 wants his kids in the classroom. There is currently NO plan for what happens to curriculum when groups of students are out at once because up to now in the pandemic entire classes are quarantined at once.
As I've said previously--- A few weeks remote to start would be worth it for a consistent end to the term rather than a term that's disrupted by continual absences.
You didn't fay face-to-face learning, you said they missed out on almost an entire year. Learning still occurred remotely mate. Just because you're frustrated you have to look after your own kids, doesn't mean they weren't learning.
You do realise that two states have already done what I'm suggesting
(one on each side of the political spectrum)
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How will they staff it? Bearing in mind the current shortages of staff due to isolation rules.
Well there's no F**** plan so far mate. The Prime Minister stood up yesterday and literally said that schools needed to remain open otherwise parents would have to stay home. That's not words of a man who cares about the education, health or wellbeing of our children.
The AEU made a statement last night, which I shared with you asking for the same things that I was suggesting-- A safe learning environment. We're not seeing that put in place.
There is restrictions in place regarding density limits and vaccine mandates in a range of sectors, so it's not that ridiculous to suggest that education should have some level of rules implemented to ensure that the health and wellbeing of our youngest citizens is cared for. I don't give a F*** mate if you're over having your two children at home-- I'm not thinking about two children right now, I'm thinking about the entire cohort.
Sounds like you have very little idea what happens in a classroom then mate
Schools having COVID outbreaks is significantly more than just "your regular teaching being off for a 2 week stretch". Students take time to adjust to routine and impactful change makes learning almost impossible. Anytime a significant portion of students are out of the classroom it makes it impossible to teach new content, meaning student clusters lead to "dead" time in the classroom that wouldn't occur if all students had equitable opportunities to learn from home.
Little Jimmy who's quaranting at home because his older sister has COVID shouldn't miss out on learning because Tiger08 wants his kids in the classroom. There is currently NO plan for what happens to curriculum when groups of students are out at once because up to now in the pandemic entire classes are quarantined at once.
As I've said previously--- A few weeks remote to start would be worth it for a consistent end to the term rather than a term that's disrupted by continual absences.
You didn't fay face-to-face learning, you said they missed out on almost an entire year. Learning still occurred remotely mate. Just because you're frustrated you have to look after your own kids, doesn't mean they weren't learning.
You do realise that two states have already done what I'm suggesting
Righto.. well we're not going to agree but we'll see what Dan and Dom come up with.. They're also on the opposite sides of the spectrum.
And this seems right up your alley workwise so if you're that busy, perhaps you spend a bit less time on here with detailed answers to one-off random parents like myself. I'm only partly covid impacted workwise fortunately and I really don't have time for this sh1t.
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F*** me this is the strangest melt I've seen in 2022.
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Youd imagine we’d do something similar. Can’t see students being able to mingle wherever they wanted on a campus. Perhaps a certain area for each year level?
Youd imagine we’d do something similar. Can’t see students being able to mingle wherever they wanted on a campus. Perhaps a certain area for each year level?
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Should ask
Like the brand new hotel a block from my house in Sth Melbourne. It was meant to be used as short term accommodation for the homeless during the stage 2 lockdown in 2020. Not sure what happened, but the homeless never left. Must be getting good money from the governmemt
& where are staff going to come from ?
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Just ran the vic data to determine case fatality rate in vaccinated population over combined delta and current omicron
- in vic since mid august 500k cases
- since end august 837 deaths
- case fatality rate 0.167% (probably more in unvaccinated as well and probably mostly delta)
In qld which can be assumed to be all omicron
175000 cases since mid December.
13 deaths in same time
Less than 0.01% CFR
South Australia (omicron)
59000 cases mid dec
32 deaths in same time
0.05% CFR
Compare to swine flu (yes a bad flu with ineffective vaccination) CFR 1%
- in vic since mid august 500k cases
- since end august 837 deaths
- case fatality rate 0.167% (probably more in unvaccinated as well and probably mostly delta)
In qld which can be assumed to be all omicron
175000 cases since mid December.
13 deaths in same time
Less than 0.01% CFR
South Australia (omicron)
59000 cases mid dec
32 deaths in same time
0.05% CFR
Compare to swine flu (yes a bad flu with ineffective vaccination) CFR 1%
To sum up, Vaccines WORK and calls for calm?
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Vaccination works and we should not be considering any other restrictions as there will be little measurable effect given the current state of play. Hospital current numbers in vic while high are manageable IF we had a normal level of nursing staff. I’m no longer seeing benefits from any asymptomatic quarantine even for close contacts as the number of cases is not going to be controlled.
Thank you for your efforts and insight as well as level headed summary.
Planning for the unknown sounds like modelling to me. The only certainty is that there is nothing certain.
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This is assuming that there is no more deaths, despite deaths lagging weeks (sometimes up to a month or more) behind confirmed case numbers.
But the union also agrees with teachers getting 2 more weeks of paid leave…What a shock that is!!!
It might have been remote learning in high school, but primary school was definitely not seeing much learning taking place. 1 hour a day if you were lucky of zoom, 1 hour a week more like it! But of course teachers prefer to get paid to work less and stay home, who doesn’t?
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So Dan kicked Novax out I hear?
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At 6pm on Friday. Not the dumbest time to do it to make it much harder for him
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