Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[DaBarz]

the cost of not proceeding with east link lays firmly at the feet of the napthine gov't. they defied convention by signing the contract on the eve of an election as an act of pure political bastardy. didn't have the guts to put it before the voters. a project that was panned by every reliable cost benefit analysis.

as for the a.b.c, there's a board stacked by the libs with reactionaries; with a packer/murdoch trained women's mag editor as chair; and with former murdoch peeps in key editorial positions attacking labor. how surprising.

Just to get this straight , you are talking about Channel 2 ABC!

Just that attacking Labor positions is not congruent with the ABC I’ve watched

 

[adogsfan5]

the cost of not proceeding with east link lays firmly at the feet of the napthine gov't. they defied convention by signing the contract on the eve of an election as an act of pure political bastardy. didn't have the guts to put it before the voters. a project that was panned by every reliable cost benefit analysis.

as for the a.b.c, there's a board stacked by the libs with reactionaries; with a packer/murdoch trained women's mag editor as chair; and with former murdoch peeps in key editorial positions attacking labor. how surprising.

Mate at this point, there’s no media left. If the ABC are no good now either, I’d probably start questioning other people.

 

[evolved2]

Dan knows that the Games were Dan's idea in the first place, right?

He can't recall that.

 

[Sttew]

the cost of not proceeding with east link lays firmly at the feet of the napthine gov't. they defied convention by signing the contract on the eve of an election as an act of pure political bastardy. didn't have the guts to put it before the voters. a project that was panned by every reliable cost benefit analysis.

The political bastardry was equally on Dan. He didn't have to tear up the contract, but typical of Dan he did so not bothering to check what the cost would be. Had he proceeded with the road it would have been built by now and have been in use by 1000's of commuters every working day. It wasn't like the LNP were building a freeway in the Little Desert!

Since you raised cost benefit, what do you say about the Westgate Tunnel project? When it was originally planned the benefit-cost ratio was going to be $1.30-$1.60 to the Victorian economy per dollar of cost. Of course nobody factored in there was no detailed business plan. The cost benefit ratio is now less than a dollar because of massive cost blow outs.

 

[Gralin]

Mate at this point, there’s no media left. If the ABC are no good now either, I’d probably start questioning other people.

I agree with parts of that article but there are some liberties being taken as always.

Like the bit that says they forked out 1.3 billion, linking to their own article that headlines 1.1 billion but in the details says ...




Like that's either lazy or bullshit, not sure which

This is something that is important



This is also I think a large part of the problem and again not unique to Andrews



There is a saying in project management that you want to deliver a project in full, on time and within budget.

I good project will hit 2 of those marks.

And that's just a general comment, that isn't getting into large long term infrastructure projects where cost projections are just that, projections

Anything costed before covid is going to be wrong, anything costed before the war in Ukraine is going to be wrong.

Anything costed before 15 months of RBA rate hikes is going to be wrong.

Being wrong isn't an issue in and of itself.

The larger problem is the need to announce and rush into projects, and the need for everything to be costed/profitable up front off that quick rushed announcement.

 

[Roby]

Lucky to have Dan? I've heard it all now!!

70% of voters did not feel lucky enough with Dan to give him their first vote, and its only because the Opposition was so s**t that Dan got back in. Call him Default Dan or Debacle Dan.

I live in South Melbourne and in the past month three pubs have closed - all victims of Covid. All victims of the enforced world record lockdowns. All businesses that came out of lock downs and tried to re-establish themselves, only to have new taxes slugged on them by a government that cannot manage its finances. One of the places that closed kept on all its staff on during lockdowns, allowed them run the venue as a take away service, and keep the income. Another one, a comedy venue pub, simply could not overcome the massive debt it wracked up in 2020/2021, and closed last week. These aren't isolated stories

More will falter because with payroll tax and massive WorkCover hikes.

Infrastructure is great and is needed, but at what cost?

As a virologist and as somebody who had to travel around the world for work during COVID I can tell you many places closed. Australia and Victoria faired better than any other place I've been to. I've seen WHOLE cities and towns become complete ghost towns were they lost all tourists; this has not happened in Victoria. One or two business closing is not the smoking gun you're looking for. Many SME close down even when there isn't a pandemic..

The problem is you're STUCK here and have a myopic view of the world as you are unaware of what it is like in other countries. The irony of the lockdown and you complaining about that, is that you've locked yourself down here of your own volition for years before, you're just using the COVID lockdowns as an excuse.

 

[DaBarz]

As a virologist and as somebody who had to travel around the world for work during COVID I can tell you many places closed. Australia and Victoria faired better than any other place I've been to. I've seen WHOLE cities and towns become complete ghost towns were they lost all tourists; this has not happened in Victoria. One or two business closing is not the smoking gun you're looking for. Many SME close down even when there isn't a pandemic..

The problem is you're STUCK here and have a myopic view of the world as you are unaware of what it is like in other countries. The irony of the lockdown and you complaining about that, is that you've locked yourself down here of your own volition for years before, you're just using the COVID lockdowns as an excuse.

Then you also would have seen the successful countries I would imagine.

 

[evolved2]

As a virologist and as somebody who had to travel around the world for work during COVID I can tell you many places closed.

It's common knowledge that lockdowns occurred domestically and internationally.

Australia and Victoria faired better than any other place I've been to.

I sincerely doubt that.

I've seen WHOLE cities and towns become complete ghost towns were they lost all tourists; this has not happened in Victoria.

Melbourne was a ghost town during lockdown. The freeways and suburban traffic were bliss. The CBD was dead.

One or two business closing is not the smoking gun you're looking for. Many SME close down even when there isn't a pandemic..

Absurd argument.

The problem is you're STUCK here and have a myopic view of the world as you are unaware of what it is like in other countries. The irony of the lockdown and you complaining about that, is that you've locked yourself down here of your own volition for years before, you're just using the COVID lockdowns as an excuse.

I thought you were a virologist rather than psychologist.

 

[Roby]

Then you also would have seen the successful countries I would imagine.

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Lol

 

[Sttew]

As a virologist and as somebody who had to travel around the world for work during COVID I can tell you many places closed. Australia and Victoria faired better than any other place I've been to. I've seen WHOLE cities and towns become complete ghost towns were they lost all tourists; this has not happened in Victoria. One or two business closing is not the smoking gun you're looking for. Many SME close down even when there isn't a pandemic..

The problem is you're STUCK here and have a myopic view of the world as you are unaware of what it is like in other countries. The irony of the lockdown and you complaining about that, is that you've locked yourself down here of your own volition for years before, you're just using the COVID lockdowns as an excuse.

Thank you for your diagnosis. I don't know you, and you don't know me.

I travel overseas regularly for work, and have been overseas for work 3 times this year (UK & Europe twice, and Fiji) so don't tell me I wouldn't have a clue because I am stuck here. I also travel interstate and know what it was like in NSW & QLD while we were in lockdown. I suppose as a virologist you will tell us businesses closing now is completely unrelated to what happened in 2020 and 2021?

 

[Roby]

It's common knowledge that lockdowns occurred domestically and internationally.

I sincerely doubt that.

Melbourne was a ghost town during lockdown. The freeways and suburban traffic were bliss. The CBD was dead.

Absurd argument.

I thought you were a virologist rather than psychologist.

It's common knowledge what? Did you travel or where your stuck not able to move more than 5km? I saw things first hand. Bad luck for you..

You sincerely doubt SME are still functioning because the government here gave them support during lockdown, where as in other countries they got bubcus?

If you think Melbourne was a ghost town, you should've seen some other plsces... Even worse. And by the way I was travelling to city everyday during lockdown until I had to travel overseas.

Are you saying SME don't generally close down? Do you know a lot of SME something like 50% don't make it past the first year?

 

[Roby]

Thank you for your diagnosis. I don't know you, and you don't know me.

I travel overseas regularly for work, and have been overseas for work 3 times this year (UK & Europe twice, and Fiji) so don't tell me I wouldn't have a clue because I am stuck here. I also travel interstate and know what it was like in NSW & QLD while we were in lockdown. I suppose as a virologist you will tell us businesses closing now is completely unrelated to what happened in 2020 and 2021?

So if you travelled, although you didn't through lockdown like I did, if you have modocum of intelligence you would've asked for them what it was like for them during lockdown.

I met several morons overseas who were reading the news of what was happening in Melbourne and asking me why is it so bad over there when most of their business had shut down with no money and the only ones that stayed open were the ones paying off local authorities. A lot of people went hungry during lockdowns. But most people with common sense realised what was happening and weren't putting their heads in the sand.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Then you also would have seen the successful countries I would imagine.

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The US handled Covid well. Like hell they did

 

[DaBarz]

Lol

Where did you travel ?

 

[Roby]

The US handled Covid well. Like hell they did

I suppose they did help create some of the vaccines...

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I suppose they did help create some of the vaccines...

It's about the only thing they did

 

[DaBarz]

The US handled Covid well. Like hell they did

I didn’t do the survey

Just posting the results

“Even countries with weaker support for the government's response to COVID-19 see approval from a majority of those surveyed, according to Pew. A median of only 58% of respondents in the United States say their country has done a good job. Only three countries – Poland, South Korea and Japan –have lower percentages of support. But the Pew researchers still find that levels of approval have grown in at least 12 countries, including the U.S., compared to previous surveys. Those with positive views of the current economic situation in their country are also more likely to think its coronavirus response has been good, according to a news release for the report.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-08-11/survey-citizens-are-politically-divided-over-their-countries-covid-19-responses

 

[FredLeDeux]

I didn’t do the survey

Just posting the results

“Even countries with weaker support for the government's response to COVID-19 see approval from a majority of those surveyed, according to Pew. A median of only 58% of respondents in the United States say their country has done a good job. Only three countries – Poland, South Korea and Japan –have lower percentages of support. But the Pew researchers still find that levels of approval have grown in at least 12 countries, including the U.S., compared to previous surveys. Those with positive views of the current economic situation in their country are also more likely to think its coronavirus response has been good, according to a news release for the report.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-08-11/survey-citizens-are-politically-divided-over-their-countries-covid-19-responses

So, it's a popularity contest.
Always a good way to decide questions of fact.
Dan the Demon will be happy to hear that.

 

[DaBarz]

So, it's a popularity contest.
Always a good way to decide questions of fact.
Dan the Demon will be happy to hear that.

I never said that.
Pointing out that wherever our resident virologist travelled, despite his assertions, there were success stories and not every country was the basket case Vic was.

Quite simple actually

 

[FredLeDeux]

I never said that.
Pointing out that wherever our resident virologist travelled, despite his assertions, there were success stories and not every country was the basket case Vic was.

Quite simple actually

Then quoted a popularity quiz in support.

 

[Roby]

Where did you travel ?

I can almost tell you where I didn't travel.

I went to NZ, the US, Brazil, half of Europe, and most of Asia. Can't say it was always for work but of course they wouldn't let me anywhere unless I said it was work.

I needed my holidays too so yes I took advantage of that. Yes I felt bad for people in Melbourne that they couldn't move for months. But that empathy lasted seconds when I saw how everybody else was going.

My recommendations in my reports were for harder lockdowns unfortunately you guys got the 80% lockdowns that went for longer, which was a huge mistake IMO. I also recommended immediate construction of quartine facilities for all international arrivals but it seems that politicians were more interested in showing their face on TV rather than listening to people like me who'd humbly have studied SARS COVID for 20 years.

 

[Roby]

I didn’t do the survey

Just posting the results

“Even countries with weaker support for the government's response to COVID-19 see approval from a majority of those surveyed, according to Pew. A median of only 58% of respondents in the United States say their country has done a good job. Only three countries – Poland, South Korea and Japan –have lower percentages of support. But the Pew researchers still find that levels of approval have grown in at least 12 countries, including the U.S., compared to previous surveys. Those with positive views of the current economic situation in their country are also more likely to think its coronavirus response has been good, according to a news release for the report.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-08-11/survey-citizens-are-politically-divided-over-their-countries-covid-19-responses

I'm not an economist so if you want a view from them then ask them. As a virologist and someone that deals with infectious diseases I do not think that Sweden and the US did a good job. I even predicted their death tolls at the start of the pandemic and I'm not even an epedmiologist.

 

[Roby]

I never said that.
Pointing out that wherever our resident virologist travelled, despite his assertions, there were success stories and not every country was the basket case Vic was.

Quite simple actually

Just because you say something is a basket case doesn't mean it was.

If you think Victoria was a basket case during COVID then I guess I went to Hell in other countries.

 

[Not Important]

Mate at this point, there’s no media left. If the ABC are no good now either, I’d probably start questioning other people.

the a.b.c hasn't deteriorated into the cesspit that is rupee’s lie machine. however, it’s just a fact that the board is stacked with conservatives (wilfully). buttrose is a well-known conservative whose previous experience was in murdoch/packer women’s mags. and there are many murdoch trained peeps in key positions. not only in editing positions but as so-called talent. i mean, the abc only recently elevated ex fox journo speers to the most powerful on-air political post at the expense of a generally acknowledged impartial highly regarded journo in andrew probyn.

just telling it as it is, dogsy. good luck tonight.

 

[Not Important]

The Dan acolytes here and elsewhere on social media continue to baffle me. Can't say I've ever met one in the wild, and I consider myself fortunate because of that.

there are a multiplicity of reasons why you, either as evo 2 or evo 1, don’t encounter progressives. and we're ever so grateful for them. may your "good fortune" be everlasting.