Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Not Important]

Yet the 4 mobile speed cameras I drove past today I got a nice warning from my phone they were there!

But they’d have done well today, was there over 6 hours on a public holiday just sitting on the freeway. Although things have changed since one of them was parked halfway down a hill.

the point is that despite people knowing the batesford road camera is a revenue raiser it remains at or near the top of list of fines year after year and has done so ever since the cameras were installed. liberal voters i reckon.

 

[Deliverance]

Australia’s situation is unique though. The size of the country, the spread of the population. High rise seems to be the only purpose built type of rental accommodation. Most houses and apartments are privately owned and rented. Make the rules too disadvantageous for the owners and they will sell up, further reducing the amount of accommodation available. I don’t know what the answer is.

Removing tax advantages for investors is part of the solution.

 

[pazza]

Just got back from Echuca. The place is thriving. So the idea that places are dead under Andrews has to be laughed at.

 

[Sttew]

It's really just bringing Australia into line with a lot of other modern economies where renting is common-place (and protected by strong laws). Visitors from overseas often find Australians' obsession with getting housing debt at the expense of living a more enjoyable life a little odd.

That is actually not true. Approx 68% of Australians own their own homes. This compares with:

Greece 75%
Netherlands 71%
France 58%
Belgium 72%
USA 65%
Canada 68%
NZ 65%
Hungary 91%
Germany 50% - And the reason for Germany's low home ownership rate include relatively high real-estate transfer tax, and the existence of a very good social housing sector.
Switzerland 43% - reason its so low is Swiss laws are more favourable for tenants, as they pay significantly less income tax than homeowners

What I think you are alluding to is the dream of a house on a big block of land

 

[boncer34]

Isn't the American dream to own a home?

 

[swingdog]

That is actually not true. Approx 68% of Australians own their own homes. This compares with:

Greece 75%
Netherlands 71%
France 58%
Belgium 72%
USA 65%
Canada 68%
NZ 65%
Hungary 91%
Germany 50% - And the reason for Germany's low home ownership rate include relatively high real-estate transfer tax, and the existence of a very good social housing sector.
Switzerland 43% - reason its so low is Swiss laws are more favourable for tenants, as they pay significantly less income tax than homeowners

What I think you are alluding to is the dream of a house on a big block of land

That's fair. Australians probably need to re-calibrate their idea of 'home' away from the quarter acre block (which hasn't really existed for 50 years in cities).

 

[swingdog]

Isn't the American dream to own a home?

I think it's to shag a Kardashian.

 

[Kwality]

Removing tax advantages for investors is part of the solution.

Its not simple.

 

[Kwality]

That is actually not true. Approx 68% of Australians own their own homes. This compares with:

Greece 75%
Netherlands 71%
France 58%
Belgium 72%
USA 65%
Canada 68%
NZ 65%
Hungary 91%
Germany 50% - And the reason for Germany's low home ownership rate include relatively high real-estate transfer tax, and the existence of a very good social housing sector.
Switzerland 43% - reason its so low is Swiss laws are more favourable for tenants, as they pay significantly less income tax than homeowners

What I think you are alluding to is the dream of a house on a big block of land

Do you include with a mortgage as ownership in your post?

 

[Sttew]

Do you include with a mortgage as ownership in your post?

Yes

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Entitled drivers sitting illegally in the right lane cause frustration on the road, which often leads to road rage, tailgating, and other bad driving behaviour due to frustration (as eddiesmith alluded to).

Try to be consistent about laws if you're going to take the moral stance, otherwise you come across as a hypocrite.

If the right lane was according to the law nobody would ever be in it at all.

Also given how often the Monash is set to 80 it's perfectly legal to be sitting in the right hand lane whenever you feel like it no matter how slow you are going.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Lol what a fu***ng idiot this guy is, seriously. So far from reality it’s not funny.

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I wouldn't say less important but more out of reach due to the Ponzi scheme that is the Australian property market.

This is also why hospitality is ****ed rental costs are crippling so they try to make up for it by screwing the staff wages.

Until someone actually does something about property costs in Australia it's not going to get any better.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

That's fair. Australians probably need to re-calibrate their idea of 'home' away from the quarter acre block (which hasn't really existed for 50 years in cities).

Yeah need to set our sights on dog box apartments and crappy units so that the Real Estate developers can make a mint sub dividing a quarter acre block 90 mins from the CBD to fit in 10 units.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Yeah need to set our sights on dog box apartments and crappy units so that the Real Estate developers can make a mint sub dividing a quarter acre block 90 mins from the CBD to fit in 10 units.

If more prime real estate in places like Camberwell was occupied by dog box apartments and crappy units then developers wouldn't be putting ten units on quarter acre blocks 90 minutes away from the city. Unfortunately Camberwell is where the quarter acre blocks are though. Go figure!

 

[swingdog]

Yeah need to set our sights on dog box apartments and crappy units so that the Real Estate developers can make a mint sub dividing a quarter acre block 90 mins from the CBD to fit in 10 units.

No, we need to up our housing standards so we have good-sized, well-built apartments like you can get in a lot of other cities.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

No, we need to up our housing standards so we have good-sized, well-built apartments like you can get in a lot of other cities.

Lol try convincing the Developers to do that.

 

[randyzany]

Unsurprisingly you are flat out wrong, the physics behind speed and stopping distance has been around for a long time, we were taught it in high school.

Some very easy to digest visuals out there too.

As long as you keep a safe distance from the car in front of you and not fatigued from a lack of sleep, physically tired or under the influence, driving 5kh faster than the assigned limit shouldn’t be main determinant factor in a serious accident. It clearly isn’t or else we wouldn’t have freeways that allow drivers to go as fast as 100kh or roads in Germany were 150kh or faster is also allowed.

Point being if those speeds are so insanely 'dangerous' because it takes so long to come to a complete stop than everybody should be driving at 50kh on every road and highway just to be on the safe side.

Obviously the fact that governments over the world legally permit those sort of speeds on roads dispels the myth of the danger of going over 5kh in a 50kh zone.

Any fatality/injury that happens while driving at 55kh in a 50kh zone is probably the fault of a reckless pedestrian or a reckless driver that is driving erratically for various reasons, not negligible 'speeding'.

 

[swingdog]

Lol try convincing the Developers to do that.

Not about convincing the developers. It’s about setting the right building codes.

 

[Millky95]

No issues with apartment living. For a single or couple apartments can be quite nice. Easier to maintain, less cleaning and not everyone wants a backyard. Just a balcony you can put a BBQ on if you like to entertain.

The state's infrastructure outside of the city isn't really built for it though

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Not about convincing the developers. It’s about setting the right building codes.

Lol try convincing the councils and politicians in the pockets of the developers to do that.

Casey, the Outer West and Docklands etc are like they are because developers have bought the building codes that they wanted.

 

[Opine]

I give Andrews 8 out of 10. Best Victorian premier in my time. And I'm old.

He’s becoming a joke now.
I personally hope he keeps going as he has. I thinks he’s started to disassociate from those voters who swept him into power. It’s the beginning of his political end. That’s a very good thing.

 

[Opine]

lol, Dans kids who’ll have no problem buying a home don’t see that as their dream? Why? Because they know they’ll get it anyway? As if Dans kids will be renting

But it’s complete rubbish, plenty of people will never play AFL but it doesn’t mean it’s not their dream growing up. To say people don’t want to own a home and are happy to pay the mortgage of these boomers they hate so much is complete and utter bullshit. It may be tough if they want to continue to live in the wealthy suburbs they’ve grown up in, but the home buying dream is definitely still real and still a possibility if they just move out.

My kids think he’s getting weird. I tend to agree with them.

 

[Opine]

what hes said seems perfectly reasonable to me ..... your fetishised middle class slip is showing .... and it aint pretty

You’re probably already as weird as he seems to be becoming.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

If more prime real estate in places like Camberwell was occupied by dog box apartments and crappy units then developers wouldn't be putting ten units on quarter acre blocks 90 minutes away from the city. Unfortunately Camberwell is where the quarter acre blocks are though. Go figure!

Good luck getting anything meaningful done in Camberwell. The rich NIMBYs will screech from the rooftop about and development

 

[swingdog]

Lol try convincing the councils and politicians in the pockets of the developers to do that.

Casey, the Outer West and Docklands etc are like they are because developers have bought the building codes that they wanted.

You’re right, we should just give up and never try to improve society.