Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Gralin]

Annoying how?

If the people doing 70 stay left, the people doing 90 stay right, and those doing 80 overtake in the right before moving left, everyone is happy. It's not difficult to be courteous on the roads.

doing 90 isn't being courteous on the roads

it meant you had people that were speeding weaving in and out of traffic, I had one of them tailgating me in the left lane when there was no one in the right lane stopping them from going around me

people are just shit drivers

 

[Saint]

doing 90 isn't being courteous on the roads

it meant you had people that were speeding weaving in and out of traffic, I had one of them tailgating me in the left lane when there was no one in the right lane stopping them from going around me

people are just shit drivers

Everyone is wrong about some road rules. For example, it's just become accepted that at Roundabouts in Australia everyone gives way to the right. This is not the rule. The rule says to give way to vehicles already within the roundabout (which will be to your right, but it doesn't actually mean vehicles to your right which aren't already in the roundabout). Roundabouts are first-in best-dressed according to the road rules. But if you drove like that you'd be hit by a car entering from your right.

My advice (from looking at hundreds of fatality reports and thousands upon thousands of serious and other crashes) is to just chill out a bit. Best to assume the guy doing 90 km/h and weaving around is on drugs and doesn't know or can't follow the rules right now and give them whatever wide berth they need. Pull over if you must. Let the emotions go behind the wheel. The person doing 70 might be sh-scared of something (wondering where they're supposed to be turning). Yes, it's annoying, but it's not those individuals who are necessarily in the wrong.

We need better training, better monitoring and lots of other things, but getting emotional (angry, upset, frustrated) behind the wheel will only ever potentially harm yourself (and maybe others).

 

[Saint]

Do we reckon this current covid wave is going up more slowly than the previous due to boosters? Hospitalisations are increasing but certainly not rapidly at all.
ICU and Vent numbers also very low.

The spike has only recently happened, hospitalisations usually lag by a week or two.

Perfect time for that Quarantine location to be turned into an overflow/triage/respiratory facility to help alleviate cases at hospitals, but also to test the flexibility and responsiveness of the facility.

 

[Evolved1]

doing 90 isn't being courteous on the roads

it meant you had people that were speeding weaving in and out of traffic, I had one of them tailgating me in the left lane when there was no one in the right lane stopping them from going around me

people are just shit drivers

The tailgating is shit, I agree.

Moving over to let faster drivers through is a level of common courtesy that should be the norm. Too many Aussies feel they have a right to their piece of the road and they'll gladly block traffic because they aren't breaking any road rules.

Same goes for escalators when two people block someone who is trying to walk through. It's just basic level manners that many lack.

 

[Saint]

The tailgating is shit, I agree.

Moving over to let faster drivers through is a level of common courtesy that should be the norm. Too many Aussies feel they have a right to their piece of the road and they'll gladly block traffic because they aren't breaking any road rules.

Same goes for escalators when two people block someone who is trying to walk through. It's just basic level manners that many lack.

I'm torn with allowing the speeder to pass. One is that if they've already slowed behind me, so overall everyone's safer. But if they look like they're going to do an unsafe maneuver to get around and I see an unsafe situation coming up (intersection, interchange, school etc) then perhaps better to let them pass.

Many of the 80 zones have sections (like intersections) where ideally cars would be going slower, but it's impractical to implement. So seeing cars doing 90 through these areas is very very risky.

I can't see why vehicles can't have speed limiters attached. We have the right GPS tracking available now to implement this and trucks already have speed limiters and those are professional drivers.

 

[Evolved1]

I'm torn with allowing the speeder to pass. One is that if they've already slowed behind me, so overall everyone's safer. But if they look like they're going to do an unsafe maneuver to get around and I see an unsafe situation coming up (intersection, interchange, school etc) then perhaps better to let them pass.

Many of the 80 zones have sections (like intersections) where ideally cars would be going slower, but it's impractical to implement. So seeing cars doing 90 through these areas is very very risky.

I can't see why vehicles can't have speed limiters attached. We have the right GPS tracking available now to implement this and trucks already have speed limiters and those are professional drivers.

Blocking someone from passing will more than likely frustrate them leading to more unsafe driving practices. That, and you don't know their situation. They could be trying to get a pregnant partner to hospital for all you know. It's safer for everyone if we let them through.

Do you mean limiting speed via GPS to the posted speed limit on each road?

 

[Saint]

Blocking someone from passing will more than likely frustrate them leading to more unsafe driving practices. That, and you don't know their situation. They could be trying to get a pregnant partner to hospital for all you know. It's safer for everyone if we let them through.

Do you mean limiting speed via GPS to the posted speed limit on each road?

I'd make it plus 10% or something, and also provide an over-ride switch (which is visible to everyone - i.e. if you drive past a cop, they know your over-ride is on). This would help overcome GPS problems (wrong signage) or problems around temporary speed signs which aren't setup properly. But how often are speeds increased? If there's a speed reduction and the GPS hasn't caught up, the driver is still responsible. I'd then ramp the speeding fines for people doing 90 in an 80 zone from $200 to something higher and with far greater de-merits.

My car already tells me when I'm speeding, there's nothing stopping this being extended to it not letting me speed.

Also, no reason why a driver shouldn't have to sign-in to the vehicle/trip computer to say they're driving. This would prevent disqualified drivers from driving (this is a huuuuuge problem).

 

[chunkylover53]

There are more people looking for work than jobs
This is not an accident, this is by design, our current economic model has guaranteed unemployment built into it

demand for jobs vs demand for workers keeps wages down

work for the dole also exists to keep wages down, its funny how there are all these companies with work, that instead of employing someone they use work for the dole which means instead of taking someone off of welfare and paying them at least minimum wage, they take advantage of those people, make them do the work and don't pay them legal wages with full government support

yes yes yes i know the world is out to get us along with the government everything is unfair and by design yadda yadda yadda.

my point was, that the poster was asking why should vaccinated people do the heavy lifting for the parasites, as if it is something shockingly new in society. we all work to support the 'parasites' that choose not to work, don't we?

 

[Gralin]

yes yes yes i know the world is out to get us along with the government everything is unfair and by design yadda yadda yadda.

my point was, that the poster was asking why should vaccinated people do the heavy lifting for the parasites, as if it is something shockingly new in society. we all work to support the 'parasites' that choose not to work, don't we?

but you're calling welfare recipients parasites when they mostly have very little choice about being on welfare, unlike antivaxxers who 100% have a choice

 

[chunkylover53]

but you're calling welfare recipients parasites when they mostly have very little choice about being on welfare, unlike antivaxxers who 100% have a choice

no i said those on the dole - not all welfare recipents.

in case i haven't made it glaringly obvious - society paying for those choosing not to work is nothing new, and not that dissimilar to paying for anti-vaxxers.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

You mean like working taxpayers paying for those on the dole?

Working taxpayers give newscorp money, that should piss you off more then people on the dole.

 

[MrSwannee84]

Working taxpayers give newscorp money, that should piss you off more then people on the dole.

Tbf that's the person's choice. News Corp is a private company. If a person chooses to subscribe to News Corp that's their perogative.

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[Gralin]

no i said those on the dole - not all welfare recipents.

in case i haven't made it glaringly obvious - society paying for those choosing not to work is nothing new, and not that dissimilar to paying for anti-vaxxers.

yeah like I said our economy doesn't have jobs for most of them, they aren't choosing to be living below the poverty line

but you are choosing to support policies that keep them there and denigrate them for being unemployed

how that relates to paying for antivaxxers, whatever that means I'm not sure

 

[FredLeDeux]

Tbf that's the person's choice. News Corp is a private company. If a person chooses to subscribe to News Corp that's their perogative.

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And if they don't, well the LNP Government does it for them

 

[Kwality]

Everyone is wrong about some road rules. For example, it's just become accepted that at Roundabouts in Australia everyone gives way to the right. This is not the rule. The rule says to give way to vehicles already within the roundabout (which will be to your right, but it doesn't actually mean vehicles to your right which aren't already in the roundabout). Roundabouts are first-in best-dressed according to the road rules. But if you drove like that you'd be hit by a car entering from your right.

My advice (from looking at hundreds of fatality reports and thousands upon thousands of serious and other crashes) is to just chill out a bit. Best to assume the guy doing 90 km/h and weaving around is on drugs and doesn't know or can't follow the rules right now and give them whatever wide berth they need. Pull over if you must. Let the emotions go behind the wheel. The person doing 70 might be sh-scared of something (wondering where they're supposed to be turning). Yes, it's annoying, but it's not those individuals who are necessarily in the wrong.

We need better training, better monitoring and lots of other things, but getting emotional (angry, upset, frustrated) behind the wheel will only ever potentially harm yourself (and maybe others).

... few drivers seem to have any idea how to use a roundabout, the concept of traffic keeping moving, multiple cars in a roundabout at any one time.
Not understanding & emotion go together, a belief the roundabout can only be used by one car at a time.

Its not Dans fault.

 

[MrSwannee84]

And if they don't, well the LNP Government does it for them

Same as the ALP and the Greens keeping their propaganda machine at the ABC going too.

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[Saint]

Same as the ALP and the Greens keeping their propaganda machine at the ABC going too.

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I think everyone on the right thinks the ABC is left and everyone on the left thinks it's to the right.

If you only read Costello/Murdoch news, I can see how you'd think it's left. If you only read the Guardian and social media, I can see how you'd think it's to the right.

Countries with no independent news media are struggling with the overwhelming partisanship of media. Then again, state media in Russia/China isn't exactly holding the Govt to account like it should.

 

[Saint]

Tbf that's the person's choice. News Corp is a private company. If a person chooses to subscribe to News Corp that's their perogative.

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What about if the Govt pays NewsCorp to broadcast Australian views into Pacific countries and pays them to broadcast womens' sport. Doesn't that make it state-funded also?

 

[Carn The Berries]

They’re still human beings Gralin, their right to be regarded as such is also enshrined in that same Charter . They can and should be restricted where there is no other reasonable alternative means of protecting others. But if another way of achieving the same protection is available, it wouldn’t be appropriate to dismiss them in that way.

And being vaccinated against a highly infectious and lethal disease is the only way of achieving the right level of protection. Kids and students are being infected every single day. Why should people who are more likely to catch and pass on the disease be allowed in those environments?

 

[Gralin]

I think everyone on the right thinks the ABC is left and everyone on the left thinks it's to the right.

If you only read Costello/Murdoch news, I can see how you'd think it's left. If you only read the Guardian and social media, I can see how you'd think it's to the right.

Countries with no independent news media are struggling with the overwhelming partisanship of media. Then again, state media in Russia/China isn't exactly holding the Govt to account like it should.

The ABC has generally been more progressive than Murdoch in their reporting but they've been damaged big time by the coalition with funding changes and board changes

They aren't where they were politically a few years ago

that said they were also for the NT Intervention when Howard was PM so its not like they've been some sort of consistently left media outlet in the true sense though they've probably been a pretty good news source for progressive white Australia which likes to think of itself as being the left

 

[Saint]

The ABC has generally been more progressive than Murdoch in their reporting but they've been damaged big time by the coalition with funding changes and board changes

They aren't where they were politically a few years ago

that said they were also for the NT Intervention when Howard was PM so its not like they've been some sort of consistently left media outlet in the true sense though they've probably been a pretty good news source for progressive white Australia which likes to think of itself as being the left

The other way of framing it is that since Costello/9 took over Fairfax they're the only major news outlet and major station which isn't to the right.

Broadcasters are funded by corporate sponsors/advertisers. So it makes sense they're on the side of the corporate-backed parties. It's all systemic. Nobody is acting in an evil way. If I ran one of the commercial networks, I would be doing the same thing, taking money from corporate backers and pushing their lines.

It's not like they're going to run Macca's commercials then have a show about how practically everything on the McDonalds menu is terrible nutrition. Or have an ad for BP and run a TV show about how petrol cars are doomed. It would be nonsense.

 

[Opine]

And being vaccinated against a highly infectious and lethal disease is the only way of achieving the right level of protection. Kids and students are being infected every single day. Why should people who are more likely to catch and pass on the disease be allowed in those environments?

That is not what I wrote.

Put in another way; if a reasonable alternative exists to a blanket prohibition that doesn't increase the risk of harm to those on the work premises and in public, it would be wrong to prevent an unvaccinated person from working on premises merely because she refused vaccination. Removing a person's fundamental human right shouldn't be used as a way of squaring up, as suggested by some here.

I'm not implying that the SA approach is correct or that Victoria is wrong. Instead, I suggested that the reasons behind each of those governments' divergent approaches' should be considered.

 

[Opine]

fu** them, it's their choice to not get vaccinated society doesn't have to make allowances for them








….

Whatever.

 

[Opine]

Get vaccinated and they’d have no issues.

Why should people who have the public interest at heart do the heavy lifting for these parasites?

Is this how progressives think?

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

So what's the newest made up scandal lads?