Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Opine]

There's been a huge media driven Christianophobic campaign in constantly slamming Scott Morrison. Make no mistake if ScoMo was an atheist or of any other religious background he wouldn't be copping the constant personal attacks he gets from the media and the anti-Australian Left.

Do we really want to vote in an ALP government that are sympathisers to the country that wants to take us over or blow us off the face of the earth?

Plus there's the other matter of putting the people smugglers back in business like we saw in the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd years.

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I think there’s certainly a strong element of anti religious sentiment. But, Albo is Catholic, European heritage, and also technically Christian. Daniel Andrews also identifies as Catholic.

 

[Gralin]

Ok.
But what has religion got to do with your categorisation of a progressive government?

He is a member of the conservative religious right of Labor
They are the faction running the party in SA

There is a long history of how they act and it's not progressive

This is I think useful information that you seem unaware of given you assume that the SA Labor party will be a progressive government

 

[Crankyhawk]

What’s your point Gralin?

The SA government is an ALP government. No, I don’t know the personalities involved other than our premier; who also happens to be ALP.

In the context of that particular discussion, my reference to both governments being ALP was a response to Crypto accusing conservatives of dragging Victoria back to the dark ages. But beyond that I don’t think it matters whether SA Gov is ALP left or right faction, nor have I said that the approach of either is correct or mistaken.

My argument has been that restrictions shouldn’t be any more than are reasonably necessary to protect the general community, and the basis of the SA State Government’s recent changes should be considered. I don’t believe it is satisfactory to diminish fundamental rights beyond what is necessary, as reprisal for refusal to get vaccinated per your position.

Well I believe that it is up to the government to decide if it is appropriate, and if they feel it is appropriate to engagein reprisals against the unvaccinated I will support them.
your opinion is irrelevant unless you have some decision making capacity. Otherwise the government does not give two shits about you. We are but mere cogs.

 

[Opine]

Well I believe that it is up to the government to decide if it is appropriate, and if they feel it is appropriate to engagein reprisals against the unvaccinated I will support them.
your opinion is irrelevant unless you have some decision making capacity. Otherwise the government does not give two shits about you. We are but mere cogs.

Thankfully based on its own Charter, it’s not open for Vic government to engage in reprisals. On that same basis it’s also not open to government to arbitrarily diminish human rights beyond that which is necessary in pursuance of a legitimate purpose, and finally the onus rests on government to demonstrate that any such restrictions are proportional. Feel free to PM me and I’ll be happy to tell you the relevant sections in that instrument.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I think there’s certainly a strong element of anti religious sentiment. But, Albo is Catholic, European heritage, and also technically Christian. Daniel Andrews also identifies as Catholic.

When it suits them. I was christened in the Methodist church. Haven’t entered a Methodist church since my teens. I could identify as Methodist if it got me some votes. I’d even go along to some services if there was a photo op

 

[Gralin]

Thankfully based on its own Charter, it’s not open for Vic government to engage in reprisals. On that same basis it’s also not open to government to arbitrarily diminish human rights beyond that which is necessary in pursuance of a legitimate purpose, and finally the onus rests on government to demonstrate that any such restrictions are proportional. Feel free to PM me and I’ll be happy to tell you the relevant sections in that instrument.

That you can comprehend..

I do like how you're for the human rights of antivaxxers but think making fun of the way a politician talks is cool

 

[Opine]

That you can comprehend..

I do like how you're for the human rights of antivaxxers but think making fun of the way a politician talks is cool

I’ve commented on the fact that he is harder to follow than most others. I find that attribute important in a prime minister and I’ve commented accordingly. BTW, my reference to absence of letter D in his vocabulary following his budget speech was a reference to lack of D for Detail in his promises pre and post speech.

 

[Opine]

That you can comprehend..

…

Yes, of course.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Ongoing lack of nursing staff.

This is an issue Australia wide and will continue for as long as we have difficulty with attracting skilled visa holders in nursing to return at the same rates they were pre-pandemic.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

There's been a huge media driven Christianophobic campaign in constantly slamming Scott Morrison. Make no mistake if ScoMo was an atheist or of any other religious background he wouldn't be copping the constant personal attacks he gets from the media and the anti-Australian Left.

Do we really want to vote in an ALP government that are sympathisers to the country that wants to take us over or blow us off the face of the earth?

Plus there's the other matter of putting the people smugglers back in business like we saw in the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd years.

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I can't tell if this is a bit?

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

I think there’s certainly a strong element of anti religious sentiment. But, Albo is Catholic, European heritage, and also technically Christian. Daniel Andrews also identifies as Catholic.

What element of anti-religious sentiment?

Religious representation in politics is at a far higher proportion than the greater Australian community.

Also, do you have any evidence that Albo or Andrews aren't practicing Catholics?

 

[Opine]

What element of anti-religious sentiment?

Religious representation in politics is at a far higher proportion than the greater Australian community.

Also, do you have any evidence that Albo or Andrews aren't practicing Catholics?

If this platform is any reflection, and leaving aside whether deserved or not, there seems to be a concerning underlying anti religious sentiment; at least toward Christianity and Christian’s.

I don’t know if DA or AA are practicing Catholics, it doesn’t concern me if they are or not. It also wouldn’t concern me if they were some other religion, or if they’re atheist or agnostic.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

If this platform is any reflection, and leaving aside whether deserved or not, there seems to be a concerning underlying anti religious sentiment; at least toward Christianity and Christian’s.

I don’t know if DA or AA are practicing Catholics, it doesn’t concern me if they are or not. It also wouldn’t concern me if they were some other religion, or if they’re atheist or agnostic.

Are you sure the hostility isn't directed towards religious extremism or perceived hypocrits, like Morrison.

And that the criticisms aren't coming from Christians or the religious themselves?

The prosperity gospel strikes me as truly awful and completely at odds with the moral dogma and the common theological interpretation of spiritual teachings in the new testament.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Thankfully based on its own Charter, it’s not open for Vic government to engage in reprisals. On that same basis it’s also not open to government to arbitrarily diminish human rights beyond that which is necessary in pursuance of a legitimate purpose, and finally the onus rests on government to demonstrate that any such restrictions are proportional. Feel free to PM me and I’ll be happy to tell you the relevant sections in that instrument.

It already demonstrated legitimate purpose at the time. Is there part of that instrument which requires review at a certain point?
And if you are so sure of yourself why are you wasting time here when you could be getting the herald sun/ vic liberals onto this.

 

[Opine]

It already demonstrated legitimate purpose at the time. Is there part of that instrument which requires review at a certain point?
And if you are so sure of yourself why are you wasting time here when you could be getting the herald sun/ vic liberals onto this.

Why are you wasting time here bitching about lack of nursing and beds?

It’s a discussion thread

 

[Crankyhawk]

Why are you wasting time here bitching about lack of nursing and beds?

It’s a discussion thread

Generally I’m answering questions others pose (at least I think so) I’m not pretending to be the one with the answers like you appear to be.

 

[Opine]

It already demonstrated legitimate purpose at the time. Is there part of that instrument which requires review at a certain point?

Another legitimate government has adopted a different approach in similar circumstance. That’s at least an indicator that underlying reasoning should be considered, don’t you think?

 

[Opine]

Generally I’m answering questions others pose (at least I think so) I’m not pretending to be the one with the answers like you appear to be.

I posted an article and answered questions didn’t I? The problem is you don’t like the discussion. You’re reaction is the same whenever a comment is made expressing some sort of empathy toward those groups who you call chunts or whoever other derogatory term you’ve used.

 

[CM86]

Why are you wasting time here bitching about lack of nursing and beds?

It’s a discussion thread

This forum is better for having CrankyHawk's contributions. The insight, knowledge and explanations CH gives, has helped hundreds of posters.

Opine, you are the opposite of CrankyHawk. You are so bad faith, you can't even lay straight in bed. You're either lying or sulking.
You are the epitome of the pigeon playing chess.

Thank you Crankyhawk.

 

[adogsfan5]

Generally I’m answering questions others pose (at least I think so) I’m not pretending to be the one with the answers like you appear to be.

And please never stop / keep the insights coming!! We adore the efforts.

 

[Opine]

Oh common, I asked him the same question he asked me and then noted that it’s a discussion thread.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Generally I’m answering questions others pose (at least I think so) I’m not pretending to be the one with the answers like you appear to be.

Victoria announces $1.5 billion COVID catch-up plan

Victorian hospitals will be cranked up to 125 per cent of their pre-pandemic levels in an effort to clear an elective surgery backlog.

www.theage.com.au

BTW, on the topic of fixing the current backlog caused by COVID, this seems like a solid plan.

Though long/medium term beds and staffing seem to key bottlenecks to addressing the ramping issue. Outside of returning to pre-pandemic levels of skilled migration in the nursing field, have you heard of any solid suggestions to boost staffing numbers?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Victoria announces $1.5 billion COVID catch-up plan

Victorian hospitals will be cranked up to 125 per cent of their pre-pandemic levels in an effort to clear an elective surgery backlog.

www.theage.com.au

BTW, on the topic of fixing the current backlog caused by COVID, this seems like a solid plan.

Though long/medium term beds and staffing seem to key bottlenecks to addressing the ramping issue. Outside of returning to pre-pandemic levels of skilled migration in the nursing field, have you heard of any solid suggestions to boost staffing numbers?

In a word no. Hospital is also providing staff for the mickleham quarantine hub. And all the ED support (initially was supposed to be Alfred but I think ambulance felt that was dumb from transport POV). We have middle and upper managers whose prime sim is to never tell dhs about how badly we are actually struggling so just push more and more onto us (compare other hospitals putting out messages of “don’t come unless it’s really necessary we are struggling “ ours doesn’t do that)

 

[Crankyhawk]

I posted an article and answered questions didn’t I? The problem is you don’t like the discussion. You’re reaction is the same whenever a comment is made expressing some sort of empathy toward those groups who you call chunts or whoever other derogatory term you’ve used.

They generate more work for me.
They seem to want special treatment outside the current law (they want vaccination mandates to stop)
I have no empathy for them.

 

[Saint]

Gralin I’m not understanding the point of your reference to religious background. Are you saying that a conservative politician from Catholic background is a threat?

The SDA in particular, driven by a group of Catholics in the leadership are the worst example of politics in Australia. They're supposedly the Union for retail assistants, employees at Fast Food and places like K-Mart.

But a couple of decades ago, in order to retain power, the leadership of the SDA made stacks of deals with the fast food and big retail chains to get around penalty rates, age restrictions etc. In return, those companies directed all employees into the SDA.

So they were members of a Union, but the Union works closer with the employers than the employees.

And what do the SDA do in return? They pursue their ultra-religious-fundamentalist views in the ALP party room. They're the reason the ALP wouldn't implement same sex marriage or other progressive policies, because a fundamentalist Christian faction has taken over one of the biggest unions and works completely against the wishes of their members. (This is where the Union for hairdressers and fashion sales-people campaigned against same sex marriage)

. And they're one of the biggest unions because they ignore their duties as a Union to stick up for the workers.
That's why everyone in the ALP hates the SDA and the fundamentalists inside it. The ACTU and ALP should strip the SDA of membership.

Fundamentalists like this cannot be trusted. They couldn't be trusted to put members' wishes first and they can't be trusted to put the states' interests first. They're practically a Business Council dressed up as a Union.

It's the worst faction in either side of politics, worse than the inner-city Libs who pretend they're not in the same party as the LNP. (Maybe the farming Nats are worse)