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Inclusive of the VFL/AFL years as of 2023 which team is #1?

Who is #1?

  • Carlton

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • Collingwood

    Votes: 26 78.8%
  • Essendon

    Votes: 4 12.1%

  • Total voters
    33

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Sinoswooper

Rookie
Sep 10, 2023
34
72
China
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Celtic FC
Yes, there are debates about overall best team records, should it include VFA, SANFL etc as to who is the most successful team. But taking the criteria of most VFL/AFL premierships, Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon each have 16 flags, but who is #1 and why?
 
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peetoo

Norm Smith Medallist
Nov 10, 2022
7,378
5,811
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Of the choices it should be collingwood.

Lost more grand finals than 8 clubs hve played in collectively
 

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TheUnicorn

Premiership Player
Nov 1, 2021
3,240
4,921
AFL Club
Essendon
Who the hell cares about flags from back when the competition had less teams/fairness/meaning etc.

The correct answer is Geelong.
 

dean33

Brownlow Medallist
Oct 10, 2007
12,280
18,292
melb
AFL Club
Richmond
Yes, there are debates about overall best team records, should it include VFA, SANFL etc as to who is the most successful team. But taking the criteria of most VFL/AFL premierships, Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon each have 16 flags, but who is #1 and why?
So a team that has won 13 of its 16 flags pre 1959 is included… ok lol
 

Danw0w

Cancelled
Feb 19, 2020
1,714
3,263
AFL Club
Richmond
Clearly Richmond.

Collingwood's "challenge" flags don't count. Also this year's flag is compromised because of the prelim final robbery.

Carlton was never the best team, just the richest.

Essendon won a premiership in a year without a grand final and haven't won one in the 18 team comp (neither have Carlton).

Richmond and Hawthorn tied for first with the dees in third place.
 

JayJ20

Brownlow Medallist
Aug 28, 2016
16,906
25,589
AFL Club
Essendon
Has to be Collingwood and quite comfortably. Most minor premierships, most second place finishes, least wooden spoons.

Premiers:

Carlton 16
Collingwood 16
Essendon 16

Runner ups:
Collingwood 27
Essendon 14
Carlton 13

Minor premierships:
Collingwood 20
Essendon 17
Carlton 17

Wooden spoons:
Collingwood 2
Essendon 5
Carlton 5
 

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Saab NLAW

All Australian
Aug 27, 2022
873
1,002
AFL Club
Melbourne
Clearly Richmond.

Collingwood's "challenge" flags don't count. Also this year's flag is compromised because of the prelim final robbery.

Carlton was never the best team, just the richest.

Essendon won a premiership in a year without a grand final and haven't won one in the 18 team comp (neither have Carlton).

Richmond and Hawthorn tied for first with the dees in third place.

I'm with you because you have us in third
 

Magpie Since 1986

Club Legend
May 8, 2007
1,964
2,939
vic
AFL Club
Collingwood
Has to be Collingwood and quite comfortably. Most minor premierships, most second place finishes, least wooden spoons.

Premiers:

Carlton 16
Collingwood 16
Essendon 16

Runner ups:
Collingwood 27
Essendon 14
Carlton 13

Minor premierships:
Collingwood 20
Essendon 17
Carlton 17

Wooden spoons:
Collingwood 2
Essendon 5
Carlton 5
Correct answer.

Collingwood also have the most games won (1600 wins) and a positive head to head record against both Carlton and Essendon.

Collingwood also have the most recent premiership if that counts for anything (since a lot of people in this thread seeming to discount the old ones).

Until someone else gets to #17 it is Collingwood at the top.
 

Rustin Cohle

Flat Circle
Aug 15, 2009
17,466
21,197
Victoria, Australia
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Chelsea FC
Clearly Richmond.

Collingwood's "challenge" flags don't count. Also this year's flag is compromised because of the prelim final robbery.

Carlton was never the best team, just the richest.

Essendon won a premiership in a year without a grand final and haven't won one in the 18 team comp (neither have Carlton).

Richmond and Hawthorn tied for first with the dees in third place.
Richmond fans are actually Homer Simpson.

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Whenever Richmond's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "where's Richmond?"
 

peetoo

Norm Smith Medallist
Nov 10, 2022
7,378
5,811
AFL Club
Hawthorn
2023 makes huge difference. 2 flags from 6 gf since the other two teams were in one

1 from 6 would have been really sad
 

Coach_Required

Norm Smith Medallist
Feb 19, 2008
9,241
27,090
Perth
AFL Club
Richmond
Other Teams
Liverpool & Boston Celtics
Hawthorn 5 flags 1 runners up
Geelong 4 flags 5 runners up
West Coast 4 flags 3 runners up

Since the comp went national in 1990.
Sure, premierships before that time are important to those clubs who won them but from a ranking perspective, they mean nothing.
 

Spiritof82

Premiership Player
Jan 8, 2004
3,065
2,440
S**tny, the cesspit of OZ
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Other Teams
Footscray
Definitely not Collingwood who won most of their flags under the antiquated, ludicrous "Challenge" system which the league used prior to 1931

Really, those premierships shouldn't be counted.
Essendon's first in 1897 shouldn't be counted as no GF was played, at least Collingwood and Carlton have played GF's to win their flags
 

peetoo

Norm Smith Medallist
Nov 10, 2022
7,378
5,811
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Hawthorn 5 flags 1 runners up
Geelong 4 flags 5 runners up
West Coast 4 flags 3 runners up

Since the comp went national in 1990.
Sure, premierships before that time are important to those clubs who won them but from a ranking perspective, they mean nothing.

Hawthorn 4 from the other two