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CrazyInjun said:
Not sure what makes you think that the rest of the Indian team were "keen" on it. But sure blame Kohli for refusing "beer", blame him for global warming too while you are at it. I personally don't like Kohli's overly expressive behavior on the field, he's no angel. But the perception fed by the aussie tabloids and apparently wholeheartedly lapped up by the Aussie cricket fans - that he's some kind of evil hypocrite is way off-base. He's a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. Needs to learn to filter it a bit IMO, but to each his own. The crazy demonization of Virat as the one responsible for all the issues between the 2 teams is total BS.

And on the whole "beer" thing - Aussie fans seem to just miss the simple point that you can't project Australian norms onto other teams and expect them to be comfortable with it. Change room after a big win is a private space, entire team is celebrating and blowing off steam, along with the support guys and all. Did it occur to you that it wasn't Kohli, but the rest of the team as well, who didn't feel like putting a pause on all of that to accommodate the Smith's "request" - which by the way, was quickly announced to Australian reporters?
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I can only go off what I've read and seen on panel shows but by all reports, Smith approached Rahane after the game and asked whether they could go in for a beer. Rahane said he would ask Kohli. The answer came back as no. Might be fabricated, might be that Kohli asked everyone else and they declined. I'm going off the only sources I have available to me, seeing as how I'm not in the Indian side. I know that sporting teams in most spheres often have a yarn with the opposition after a game or series.

Don't f***ing get stuck into me though mate. I've been defending him through most of the series and if he behaves appropriately I will again.
 
CrazyInjun said:
Not sure what makes you think that the rest of the Indian team were "keen" on it. But sure blame Kohli for refusing "beer", blame him for global warming too while you are at it. I personally don't like Kohli's overly expressive behavior on the field, he's no angel. But the perception fed by the aussie tabloids and apparently wholeheartedly lapped up by the Aussie cricket fans - that he's some kind of evil hypocrite is way off-base. He's a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. Needs to learn to filter it a bit IMO, but to each his own. The crazy demonization of Virat as the one responsible for all the issues between the 2 teams is total BS.

And on the whole "beer" thing - Aussie fans seem to just miss the simple point that you can't project Australian norms onto other teams and expect them to be comfortable with it. Change room after a big win is a private space, entire team is celebrating and blowing off steam, along with the support guys and all. Did it occur to you that it wasn't Kohli, but the rest of the team as well, who didn't feel like putting a pause on all of that to accommodate the Smith's "request" - which by the way, was quickly announced to Australian reporters?
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I don't really see what isn't hypocritical about Kohli's behaviour in this series, and then claiming that Australia are the ones who've overstepped the mark and it will damage his friendships. Maybe if he hadn't been one of the main antagonists, he could say that...
 
Spook said:
And Smith didn't carry all the other Australians? Kholi averages 62 in Australia so he's not afraid of our conditions.
The fact is that Smith did cheat by looking up to the change rooms forma DRS review. Fact is Smith called them f$&@/ing cheats when they didn't, any Australian cricketer would have thought they had cleanly caught that as well. Smith had something to apologise for, they didn't.

It is so arrogant that we can think we can pick and choose when and how aggressive the game should be played at. Fact is, We don't get to choose like we think we do. We set the tone for unsociable cricket for 30 years, and now we don't want it we get upset when the opposition does.

We gave it, now we must take it as well. The vitriol that wade blasts out is pathetic, he doesn't sledge with any intelligence or wit. What did he say "come down this end and say that" and he couldn't shut up when the umpires told him to. We buckled, they didn't, Yadavs spell was awesome. They won fair and square. Why can't we talk about the cricket. Why does everyone on here keep going on about Kholi.
Imagine if in Australia Kholi cheated and looked up for the change rooms to let him know about a review. Imagine if Kholi called Warner a ******* cheat for claiming a catch like that.... cmon guys it goes both ways.
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I'm critical of Australian behaviour too, especially from people like Wade, who really is the last person who should be saying stuff like "you're nothing outside India" or whatever he said to Jadeja. As a general rule, I don't like sledging. I like David Warner somewhat more now because he has dropped that garbage. I dislike Matthew Hayden partly because of it. However when it comes to Kohli, its not because he is giving it back, as I outlined in my previous post, its the other things. Kohli in Australia had no relevance to this series, the one he got carried in big time, far more than Smith carrying Australia who had several other contributors, albeit somewhat sporadically.
 
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Mateyman said:
I don't really see what isn't hypocritical about Kohli's behaviour in this series, and then claiming that Australia are the ones who've overstepped the mark and it will damage his friendships. Maybe if he hadn't been one of the main antagonists, he could say that...
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He didn't volunteer any claims - he was asked an extremely specific leading question, and answered it honestly. Tabloids promptly took his answer and had some fun with it. Besides, neither of us know what was said and done by the players on the field - I get it, that the Aussie view is that anything goes, and can be said on the field, and it should just be left there. But reality is that Indians are not Australians, and cultural norms are not the same everywhere. Indians will not take the same view if you "cross the line" in sledging - i.e. bring family into it, etc. The type of guy Kohli is, "respect" is a big deal for him. If he feels he was disrespected by the Aussies, then he's not going to shy away from saying that he feels less friendly towards them now than he did earlier. Especially when asked a pointed question. Not sure what of that makes him a hypocrite. If anything, he's less of an hypocrite for not spouting PR friendly nonsense, and honestly saying what he thinks.

Again, not defending the guy. Personally, I feel he goes a bit OTT at times when he's out there, and its not the best method for a cricketer, let alone a captain. But just because he does so, doesn't mean that he loses all rights to be offended. And with all due respect, the Australian team doesn't get to decide and define what the "lines" are, or where Kohli is allowed to take offense or not.

Transcript Excerpt from the actual interview:

Reporter: Virat, what was it about this Australian team that made them your toughest challenge over all these tests.

Virat: I think they, they had the belief of making things happen in these conditions. It's something that I sensed in their body language, in the way they played their cricket. They believe that they can, you know, win sessions and win situations and they are willing to enjoy the challenge, that was the most important thing and the most challenging thing for us.
Where teams really lose their morale once they lose a test match in India, but they kept bouncing back and they had the desire to compete throughout and that's why they are the number two side in the world. You know, you expect that from Australia, once they get a sniff they would put you under pressure, but you know, the way we responded I'm really proud of that as well. But I would say the relentlessness in their desire to make things happen in these conditions was probably the reason why they kept giving us, you know, a great fight til the end of this test match, so a lot of credit goes to them.

Reporter: Virat you said before the first test in Pune that a lot of the Australian players were really good friends with you off the field, has that changed during this series or is that just heat of the battle stuff that's gone on here?

Virat: No it has changed for sure. I, I thought that was the case but it has changed for sure. You know, as I said, in the heat of the battle yes, you want to be competitive but I've been proven wrong. The thing I said before the first test, that has certainly changed and you won't hear me say that ever again.
 

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PhatBoy said:
I can only go off what I've read and seen on panel shows but by all reports, Smith approached Rahane after the game and asked whether they could go in for a beer. Rahane said he would ask Kohli. The answer came back as no. Might be fabricated, might be that Kohli asked everyone else and they declined. I'm going off the only sources I have available to me, seeing as how I'm not in the Indian side. I know that sporting teams in most spheres often have a yarn with the opposition after a game or series.

Don't f***ing get stuck into me though mate. I've been defending him through most of the series and if he behaves appropriately I will again.
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Calm down "mate". I'm not getting stuck into you. I see your posts and your stance on the series and appreciate it for what it is. Just trying to have a discussion.

And yes most teams have a yarn with the opposition - but on their terms and convenience, the time and place can't be imposed. And to take such a silly thing and somehow claim that it shows Kohli being selfish is inaccurate - that's the only point I'm making.
 
CrazyInjun said:
He didn't volunteer any claims - he was asked an extremely specific leading question, and answered it honestly. Tabloids promptly took his answer and had some fun with it. Besides, neither of us know what was said and done by the players on the field - I get it, that the Aussie view is that anything goes, and can be said on the field, and it should just be left there. But reality is that Indians are not Australians, and cultural norms are not the same everywhere. Indians will not take the same view if you "cross the line" in sledging - i.e. bring family into it, etc. The type of guy Kohli is, "respect" is a big deal for him. If he feels he was disrespected by the Aussies, then he's not going to shy away from saying that he feels less friendly towards them now than he did earlier. Especially when asked a pointed question. Not sure what of that makes him a hypocrite. If anything, he's less of an hypocrite for not spouting PR friendly nonsense, and honestly saying what he thinks.

Again, not defending the guy. Personally, I feel he goes a bit OTT at times when he's out there, and its not the best method for a cricketer, let alone a captain. But just because he does so, doesn't mean that he loses all rights to be offended. And with all due respect, the Australian team doesn't get to decide and define what the "lines" are, or where Kohli is allowed to take offense or not.

Transcript Excerpt from the actual interview:

Reporter: Virat, what was it about this Australian team that made them your toughest challenge over all these tests.

Virat: I think they, they had the belief of making things happen in these conditions. It's something that I sensed in their body language, in the way they played their cricket. They believe that they can, you know, win sessions and win situations and they are willing to enjoy the challenge, that was the most important thing and the most challenging thing for us.
Where teams really lose their morale once they lose a test match in India, but they kept bouncing back and they had the desire to compete throughout and that's why they are the number two side in the world. You know, you expect that from Australia, once they get a sniff they would put you under pressure, but you know, the way we responded I'm really proud of that as well. But I would say the relentlessness in their desire to make things happen in these conditions was probably the reason why they kept giving us, you know, a great fight til the end of this test match, so a lot of credit goes to them.

Reporter: Virat you said before the first test in Pune that a lot of the Australian players were really good friends with you off the field, has that changed during this series or is that just heat of the battle stuff that's gone on here?

Virat: No it has changed for sure. I, I thought that was the case but it has changed for sure. You know, as I said, in the heat of the battle yes, you want to be competitive but I've been proven wrong. The thing I said before the first test, that has certainly changed and you won't hear me say that ever again.
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Maybe not hypocritical then, but if he can't acknowledge that he has been at least as responsible for burning those bridges as the Australians, then I'd say it indicates a lack of maturity and that he is a bit of a self-centred flog.
 
Mateyman said:
Maybe not hypocritical then, but if he can't acknowledge that he has been at least as responsible for burning those bridges as the Australians, then I'd say it indicates a lack of maturity and that he is a bit of a self-centred flog.
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I can agree on the self-centered flog bit - I think most top level players are - some just hide it better :)
 
PhatBoy said:
I see him as a glorified Warner to be honest. Big disparity between his home and away records etc.
Always thought Langer was the one of the two who thrived more when the game was being taken to Australia.
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Hayden's away record was better than Warner's. Langer thrived on pressure but Hayden was much better than you are giving him credit for.
 
34 in England
28 in NZ
34 in SA
40 in Sri Lanka


Even his Indian record isn't THAT good when you put it under the microscope - he averaged 51 there, but scored literally half his 1000 runs there (11 tests) in one 3 match series. He averaged 30 and 33 there in his other two trips. Save for the one memorable series in India, his good overseas work came against post-Walsh/Ambrose West Indies, and Pakistan in the farcical two tests at Sharjah series.

The bloke could play but his figures flatter him somewhat.
 
Adelaide Hawk said:
You can't be serious. I think Ed Cowan said it best tonight on Fox-Tel. "Yes he's a great batsman, yes he's aggressive and all those other things, but it doesn't give him the right to carry on like a flog".
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So what? We have and have had many flogs in our team as well. The fact is that Khol didn't even play the last test. When wade went into on his abusive vitriol abuse of their batsman, when Clarke accused them of being "****ing cheats". When we lost our composer in their second innings and sledged the hell out of Saha and Jadaja and gave them send offs as well. So tell me how Kholi be the person to blame for this when he didn't even play?
 
Who gives a shit. He was uncharacteristically poor and deflected his shite performances by attacking the Australian team at every opportunity.

He's a campaigner, a grub, an absolute w***er.

Good luck to him in future series, but he's proven himself to be probably the biggest flog and sore winner in international cricket, and that takes a lot of effort.
 

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chunkychicken said:
Who gives a shit. He was uncharacteristically poor and deflected his shite performances by attacking the Australian team at every opportunity.

He's a campaigner, a grub, an absolute ******.

Good luck to him in future series, but he's proven himself to be probably the biggest flog and sore winner in international cricket, and that takes a lot of effort.
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.... and, anyone who really can't see how Kohli's behaviour has been disgraceful needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
 

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chunkychicken said:
Disgraceful cricket pitches that don't deserve the name, spider cam, confrontational attitude on the pitch, throwing balls at players, accusing an entire team of cheating, as well as the DRS magically becoming unavailable in the last test, but lo and behold, its fine when Australia bat. What a load of shit.
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None of that comprises of cheating.
 
Smith directly said as cheat while Kohli accused them of cheating. Kohli didn't say 'cheat'. Smith said 'cheat'

Smith looked up to dressing room during drs which is clearly against rules while Vijay caught a catch which had grounded whic and appealed which most of the Aussies in the past and many other cricketers have done it before.

No one bats an eye on smith here whereas everyone are calling kohli and vijay as cheat. I understand bias towards Australia, but this kind of bias on those two occasion is plain stupid.

And if you think that DRS unavailability ( affected for both teams ), pitches ( affected for both teams ), spidercam ( affected for both teams ) , confrontational attitude on the pitch ( seriously, an aussie questioning this ? ), throwing balls at players ( what ? Oh yes, Hello Starc) are cheating, then you need to go back to school and understand the meaning of the word 'cheating'. Don't be a sore loser.
 
mugiwara said:
Smith directly said as cheat while Kohli accused them of cheating. Kohli didn't say 'cheat'. Smith said 'cheat'

Smith looked up to dressing room during drs which is clearly against rules while Vijay caught a catch which had grounded whic and appealed which most of the Aussies in the past and many other cricketers have done it before.

No one bats an eye on smith here whereas everyone are calling kohli and vijay as cheat. I understand bias towards Australia, but this kind of bias on those two occasion is plain stupid.

And if you think that DRS unavailability ( affected for both teams ), pitches ( affected for both teams ), spidercam ( affected for both teams ) , confrontational attitude on the pitch ( seriously, an aussie questioning this ? ), throwing balls at players ( what ? Oh yes, Hello Starc) are cheating, then you need to go back to school and understand the meaning of the word 'cheating'. Don't be a sore loser.
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I've barely seen anyone call Kholi a cheat here....
 

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