Inside the Christian Right plotting a political takeover

[kranky al]

Does anyone not know of the Hillsong influence?

Maybe the Exclusive Brethren but that was years ago. Not sure they are still paying big money to political parties (the irony of a group who ban voting...).

Id say Labor pandering to Muslims is probably less of a known thing. But that is more taking advantage of poor English skills and branch stacking than introducing Islamic beliefs in Legislation.

Id say most people in australia are so apathetic about politics that they wouldnt have a clue.

I had to explain to my wife that the weekend just beens election was just for wa - as well as what the upper and lower house differences were

She is utterly uninterested in politics

Reckon if you did a poll on the main board asking all the people who DIDNT post on here ten basic political questions- that most who post here would get fairly easily - a good percentage would not know any of them.

 

[HairyO]

Id say most people in australia are so apathetic about politics that they wouldnt have a clue.

I had to explain to my wife that the weekend just beens election was just for wa - as well as what the upper and lower house differences were

She is utterly uninterested in politics

Reckon if you did a poll on the main board asking all the people who DIDNT post on here ten basic political questions- that most who post here would get fairly easily - a good percentage would not know any of them.

I guess it depends on just how generic the questions are. I know a few people who have literally zero interest in politics. But most of my friends are somewhat, or fairly interested.

 

[kranky al]

I guess it depends on just how generic the questions are. I know a few people who have literally zero interest in politics. But most of my friends are somewhat, or fairly interested.

Id suggest


1) name five political parties in australia

2) what is the broad difference between the lower and upper houses in australian politics

3) what us meant by the left and right wing of politics - place these political parties in order from left to right

Liberal, greens, one nation, socialist action, labor, (golden sky’s brain will melt down on this one)

4) name your federal and state lower house representative and what party they represent

5) name the last 8 australian prime ministers in order.

 

[HairyO]

Id suggest


1) name five political parties in australia

2) what is the broad difference between the lower and upper houses in australian politics

3) what us meant by the left and right wing of politics - place these political parties in order from left to right

Liberal, greens, one nation, socialist action, labor, (golden sky’s brain will melt down on this one)

4) name your federal and state lower house representative and what party they represent

5) name the last 8 australian prime ministers in order.

I wouldnt know where to put One Nation. Their policies dont fit any reasonable label.

5 would be tough for most I reckon. List the last 4 would catch out enough.

 

[kranky al]

I wouldnt know where to put One Nation. Their policies dont fit any reasonable label.

5 would be tough for most I reckon. List the last 4 would catch out enough.

Reckon most folk on here would come close.

 

[HairyO]

Reckon most folk on here would come close.

Most folk on here would know the intricate details of the workings of the ALP.

Quite a few of the Greens.

Whether they know political history is a separate thing.

 

[daniologist]

Id say most people in australia are so apathetic about politics that they wouldnt have a clue.

Busting out of lurker status...

It saddens me how many people don't understand the basic difference between Commonwealth, State, and local government and the roles and responsibilities of each level of government.

 

[medusala]

Hillsong HQ is in the heartland of the GWS Giants FWIW.

Both pure evil.

How they and GC got a team is something that needs to be thoroughly investigated IMO.

Meanwhile Tasmania is told to wait in the corner and defend their economic case (oh yes well we may have thrown tens of millions of $ and draft choices at those two but its DIFFERENT).

On scale of evilness one may argue the Catholic church closer to GWS. Hillsong more like Melbourne FC. They think they are far more important than they actually are and if they disappeared NOONE would care less.

 

[chelseacarlton]

It’ll be a great day for humanity when every church, synagogue and mosque are a smouldering mound of ashes.

 

[Northalives]

Should Christians not have a seat at the table? Why are you so religiously intolerant? You guys must be scared of your anti religious supporters in the labour and green acting out. The moment they act on their anti religious behaviour the more swing voters they lose. Thus you want to keep religion out of politics to shield your supporters away.

Morrison and Hillsong are not Christians!

When this doomsday cult tell my friends, family and neighbours, all brilliant, upstanding, honourable human beings who follow the teachings of Christ that they've got absolutely no hope of getting to heaven when they pass on because they are not "born again", those ****s are no Christians!

I am an atheist and my friends, family and neighbours know this and they still love me as they have always done and I still love them like I have always done. We have homosexual friends, family and neighbours who are loved and love my Christian family, neighbours and friends as they love and are loved by my Jewish and Muslim friends and you reckon that Morrison and Hillsong represent Christians?

They do not represent Christians. They are an evil, supremacist doomsday cult and it's because good but naive Christians her the word "Christian" being uttered by Morrison and Folau and Court etc etc etc and think "hey, at least they are Christians", well no they are not and the sooner that people are a wake up to this fact, the quicker we can piss off these disgusting bastards and get back to being the egalitarian, secular country that we used to proudly be.

The only threat to freedom of speech and religion is Morrison and Hillsong.

 

[Northalives]

I think most everyone agrees with that, but the trick is finding a way to stop it happening

Making it easier and more attractive for the general public to participate in internal party politics would help a lot

The "trick", as you say, is to have a functioning, independent fourth estate who keep the busy, busy electorate informed and who report without fear nor favour. Unfortunately, Australia has the most concentrated media of any so called Western Country and some may argue, that we have the neoliberal equivalent of Pravda and the state run media in China and North Korea. the only difference being that the media here is just about wholly controlled not by the Government but by the IPA in cahoots with Murdoch, an IPA dignitary and whose media organisation along with NINE Entertainment (Costello is also an IPA dignitary) dictate to Government what it wants done and in return, act as the PR and Marketing arm of Government.

I'm re-reading a book at the moment by Kerry-Anne Walsh called "The Stalking Of Julia Gillard" and if people don't think that the media play a critical role formulating opinion in Australia, then they are living in a fools paradise.

Can you imagine what the Public would make of the ties between the Prime Minister and Houston, Hillsong, Stewart/QANON if they were made aware of just who these people are, what their organisations do/believe in? We have been watching Christian Porter's and Ms Higgins's dramas being played out in the media and if the media was as intent as they are on investigating, uncovering and reporting on Morrison/Hillsong/Stewart/QANON as they are with Porter and Higgins, the shock and horror would dwarf the shocking revelations making their way to the public about the allegations of rape that we see now.

As someone else on here said previously, this is not about to happen when the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" cabal controls Australia and that I'm afraid, is the answer to your question, to paraphrase: "what is the trick of finding a way to stop it happening", that is to break up the media monopoly in Australia and whilst we have an LNP Government, this will never happen so the dark forces will continue to infiltrate all areas of our political system, predominantly but not exclusive, into the LNP.

 

[Northalives]

Most folk on here would know the intricate details of the workings of the ALP.

Quite a few of the Greens.

Whether they know political history is a separate thing.

Amen!

 

[Northalives]

I guess it depends on just how generic the questions are. I know a few people who have literally zero interest in politics. But most of my friends are somewhat, or fairly interested.

You reckon you are what most of the people that frequent these political pages are? I reckon most of us are in the same boat as you. There are exceptions who fall into the, "is it true or did Alan Jones tell you" category and that makes life very frustrating sometimes.

 

[Gough]

Always worth remembering that Brian Houston, our PM's spiritual guide and mentor was considered too dodgy for the Trump White House.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Always worth remembering that Brian Houston, our PM's spiritual guide and mentor was considered too dodgy for the Trump White House.

And the human filth that said this to the victim of the rape and torture as a child of the father that built his inherited cult of lies, “you tempted my father”.
Burn the entire ******* thing down to the ground!!

 

[Northalives]

And the human filth that said this to the victim of the rape and torture as a child of the father that built his inherited cult of lies, “you tempted my father”.
Burn the entire ******* thing down to the ground!!

f***ng oath! Human filth.

 

[Gough]

The ACL's idea of government.

 

[GreyWind]

The ACL's idea of government.

So much ******* wrong with that statement.

Firstly Governments don't punish anyone, that's for the courts and legal system to decide something that Government has no part in deciding what punishment is given.
Secondly we're a secular nation.
Thirdly which God? There's plenty of those buggers around and which sinful laws are we following and not? Can I wear blended clothes, eat shellfish, drink alcohol, consume pork, work on the Sabbath?

In conclusion Iles is a ******* dumb campaigner.

 

[Doss]

That’s a sick coiffure young Martyn is rocking.

 

[Chief]

That’s a sick coiffure young Martyn is rocking.

Getting into Conan O'Brien territory?

 

[Contra Mundum]

The WA fiasco proves its not going to work. We don't have the Koch brothers paying republicans to fight a culture war here. Capital in Australia have transcended and superseded the politics of culture war - you can see that in the inclusive and woke branding. if the Libs continue to preselect these nut bags they will be decimated - much less than 10 percent of the community attend religious services regularly. Most people have a gay son/daughter/cousin - even in rural seats. Most people don't want to see transkids bashed at school. The s**t gender politics of the Happy Clappy types is also playing out in Scomos inability to respond to the current crisis - the Kennett Model is the way to go for them (as much as I hated/hate him) - socially progressive/fiscally conservative.

 

[kickazz]

In a later panel discussion, Mr Iles joked that his father often said “we need a good war” to sort this out and “there’s a little bit of truth in that”, because society would not be so concerned about climate change or gender identity if we were at war with China.

Hmm. As a general rule, society is better off the further up the pyramid/hierarchy of needs we can afford to devote our attention to. Iles basically wants to undercut that base.

It's akin to saying to someone who is upset that their footy team is going poorly: "You know what you need, is cancer. Then I bet you wouldn't be so worried about the footy"

You don't need these people anywhere near the levers of power.

 

[kickazz]

Should Christians not have a seat at the table? Why are you so religiously intolerant? You guys must be scared of your anti religious supporters in the labour and green acting out. The moment they act on their anti religious behaviour the more swing voters they lose. Thus you want to keep religion out of politics to shield your supporters away.

The main problem with Christians having a seat at the table is that for some reason, the Christians that make it in to politics are about as unlike Christ as you can get. Ask yourself "What would Jesus do?" and they'll likely do the opposite.

I'd be happy for proper Christians to be part of it. But we need more Bob Maguire types and fewer BA Santamaria types.

 

[Present Not Past]

I wouldnt know where to put One Nation. Their policies dont fit any reasonable label.

5 would be tough for most I reckon. List the last 4 would catch out enough.

I would argue Pauline Hanson's One Nation is not a Party.
She decides what issues are important to her when she wakes up each day.

 

[Caesar]

The ACL's idea of government.

I know it’s a serious issue, but I find it so hard to be afraid of this lot when they are so good at displaying how hilariously out of touch they are with modern Australia

If the Liberals ever fix their preselection, the god botherers are going to be so ****ed

They will never get any votes on merit