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Intermittent fasting

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evo said:
trainers talk a lot of shite.

who cares about kick starting your metabolism. Insulin is the name of the game: the fat storing hormone. Brekky kick starts your insulin... especially if its carbs.
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I'm hoping this was an ironic post to prove the point of the initial statement

Just a vague statement with some sort of implied warning
 
keyboard_warrior said:
Isnt insulin all about glucose/glycogen storage? and cortisol is more the fat storing hormone that fasting helps control?
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Lipoprotein Lipase (storage of fat into adipose tissue) can only take place during times of elevated insulin and likewise lipolysis (the metabolism of fat from adipose tissue) can only take place during times of depleted insulin.
 
showdownhero said:
Lipoprotein Lipase (storage of fat into adipose tissue) can only take place during times of elevated insulin and likewise lipolysis (the metabolism of fat from adipose tissue) can only take place during times of depleted insulin.
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It's also considered anabolic though, as it assists with protein synth etc.
Vaguely demonising it (you didn't, evo's post) as the "fat storing hormone" only gives people half the story
 

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DemonTim said:
It's also considered anabolic though, as it assists with protein synth etc.
Vaguely demonising it (you didn't, evo's post) as the "fat storing hormone" only gives people half the story
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true

though as evo alluded to a highly insulinogenic breakfast can kick off pretty nasty blood sugar/insulin surges that will make you ravenously hungry throughout the day.
 
showdownhero said:
true

though as evo alluded to a highly insulinogenic breakfast can kick off pretty nasty blood sugar/insulin surges that will make you ravenously hungry throughout the day.
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I should clarify that whilst there is a proven link between insulin and blood sugar and increased appetite, there has been no such link showing meal timing (i.e. eating or skipping breakfast) has any impact on metabolism or TDEE.
 
showdownhero said:
I should clarify that whilst there is a proven link between insulin and blood sugar and increased appetite, there has been no such link showing meal timing (i.e. eating or skipping breakfast) has any impact on metabolism or TDEE.
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That was more my point
 
keyboard_warrior said:
Isnt insulin all about glucose/glycogen storage? and cortisol is more the fat storing hormone that fasting helps control?
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yes, and extra glycogen is stored as fat. Insulin is an anabolic hormone, meaning it triggers the building mechanism(of fat/muscle)

Cortisol is primarily a catabolic hormone, mean it breaks down (fat/muscle). So elevated cortisol in the morning can be used to your advantage to break down some of your body's fat. But for that to happen insulin has to be low.
 
showdownhero said:
Lipoprotein Lipase (storage of fat into adipose tissue) can only take place during times of elevated insulin and likewise lipolysis (the metabolism of fat from adipose tissue) can only take place during times of depleted insulin.
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yes!
 
If your biggest reason for fasting is to take advantage of short-term elevated cortisol then you've missed the forest for the trees.

Fat mobilisation and fat oxidation are 2 different things. Cortisol can help mobilise fat yes but you still have to burn it off. Or else the fats in your blood will get stored again. And you don't even need fats in your bloodstream in the first place to burn fat overall, or else stuff like high-intensity interval training would not result in fat loss (which is false, it does).

Funnily chronically elevated cortisol levels can cause fat under your skin to be re-stored as visceral fat around your organs which messes up your health pretty good. And like you said it breaks down proteins for the purpose of making glucose. Elevated cortisol also causes you to hold water which can mess up dieters' minds when their weight don't go down. Point being every hormone has "good" and "bad" functions. Their overall effect is dictated by energy and nutrient balance, not the other way around.

Fast if it makes your life easier and helps you live healthier.

TLDR = you shouldn't just look at one thing a hormone does and base your eating pattern around that.
 
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Squizz89 said:
Another study/article on IF and it's pros & cons...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/lif...ebate-about-its-benefits-20170301-gunyx5.html
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I had a read of the article this morning......i don't think IF is the silver bullet to solve our health issues but i do believe for some people this works. To stay fit and healthy you need to find eating and exercise habit that you cans tick to long term, if someone finds eating all their calories inside 8 hours or two fasting days then go for it, but it won't work for others.

One thing i didn't like was the lady who said the two "fasting days" she still consumed 400 calories.....eating food breaks the fast if you eat food you are just having a low calorie day. Secondly your body will hold off catabolism upto 72 hours. Your body won't shut down after 24 hours without food.
 

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https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2017/03/why-you-shouldnt-work-out-on-an-empty-stomach/
talk about a non committal stupid article
working out fasted burns more fat
but you might go into starvation mode because some long fasts show lowered metabolism
so don't work out fasted
but working out fasted is ok just don't over work
but not overworking means you will have less gainz so eat
plus you might be a moody jerk so it's better to eat in case that happens
 
Fasted work outs are a completely individual thing, some thrive on it others can't get out of first gear.

From my understanding fasted workouts you will burn more fat whilst exercising but burn less fat during the day. While if you exercise after eating you will burn less fat during exercise but more during the day.

The net result of fat burn during the day is the same, it all depends on what exercise you enjoy and what time of the day suits you.
 
its just such a nothing article though, they can't even really mount a truly convincing argument and they are trying to tell you that you shouldn't work out fasted not that it might not be for everyone

they also do that in a study about long term fasting there was evidence of metabolism slow down without referencing the study. I bet it was a 48hr+ or 72hr+ fast which doesn't really compare to exercising in the morning before having breakfast when you ate the night before
 

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5:2 diet ≠ fasting
 
Don't you just put all the fat straight back on if you fast for a few days?

I've always been curious about trying these things, mostly just to see how I respond. I'm someone who can add five to six kilos just in a week if I do nothing and eat pizzas, chips, and a six pack a night but then I can also pretty easily drop it all again in 10 days by eating vegetarian mostly and not drinking.
 
Silent Alarm said:
Don't you just put all the fat straight back on if you fast for a few days?
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Some of it is water weight that comes off and goes back on.

But some weight stays off as long as you don't overcompensate and pig out after you finish fasting.
 
Silent Alarm said:
Don't you just put all the fat straight back on if you fast for a few days?

I've always been curious about trying these things, mostly just to see how I respond. I'm someone who can add five to six kilos just in a week if I do nothing and eat pizzas, chips, and a six pack a night but then I can also pretty easily drop it all again in 10 days by eating vegetarian mostly and not drinking.
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That will always happen when you go from excessive calories to calorie restriction.
 

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