Roast Irritating things.

[Madtiger2006]

As far as I'm concerned Post or Griffiths would do a better job as 3rd tall than Miller. With a midfield like ours delivering the ball forward whoever plays 3rd tall is bound to get a dozen possessions and be involved in about 3 goals per game. Post and Griffiths don't only have alot more athletism and skill but they need these games under their belt for the future. I'm all for Miller at Coburg. He should be in the team only if Post and Griffiths are injured

 

[Bazzar]

Tigerheads who constantly put us down saying we have not beaten anyone decent and we havnt been that good.

things that irritate me: Posters saying 'we don't want to make finals".

x 10000

 

[kainokaino]

Things that irratate me: Madtiger talking up Post/Griffiths in every thread.

 

[alarm]

Irritating thing #1: Bigfooty when you have uni exams.

amen brother

 

[_RT_]

Ah, sorry but I find this statement unfathomable and quite ridiculous.

We are talking about a competitive group of blokes who have aspired all of their lives to play a final at the MCG in front of 90,000 people. Imagine the buildup, the excitement, the anticipation! This team would be stoked to scrape into the finals by .0001%. They would leave their guts out on the ground whilst trying to win.

It would be amazing for everyone associated with the Tigers over the past decade. We would sell 10,000 additional memberships next year.

This is not some bureaucratic, 5 yr strategic management plan, it is competitive sport.

PLease make the finals Tigers!

Yes it would be great to experience the build up and anticipation to playing a final. The media would be all over us, fans would be coming out of the woodwork left right and centre and training would be packed.

Yes the players would give their all to try and win as well, the coaches would do everything that they could to win as well, but I don't believe that we have the gameplan to win a final just yet, nor do we have the bodies to compete in a final. To me there is little point playing finals if you can't compete and I just feel that we would get blown away early by the pace and pressure and the whole experience would be awful, but at the same time a great learning experience for the group. That is why I believe Hardwick and co would rather wait a year before making the finals as they want to be able to compete and be in with a good show of winning, rather than just making up the numbers so to speak.

 

[NQTIGER]

Here we go again the old development Vs Winning argument......scratched record......

 

[tigerdan]

That thing about 'we do not want to make finals' is straight out of the Bentleigh school of bullshit.

It is ludicrous to think that we'll just aim to stay out of the 8 and then burst from the blocks sweeping all before us next year or even later. And the argument that 'it might have the opposite effect' can be countered easily by saying 'if we get smashed it will spur us on'.

I want our team to experience as much finals football as possible, as soon as possible because (a) that's what the bloody game is about and (b) the more experience we get the more used to the pressure of finals football we will be.

 

[SA TIGER]

• We don't want to make the finals this year. I want to see finals action so, so bad, but i promise you, if we make it, we will be obliterated. We are not ready. It could have the opposite effect, and set us back a year. It's about prolonged success, i'd rather wait till next year if it meant possibly 6-8 years of consistent finals action.

Feel free to discuss.

Do not agree with the above comment whatsoever.

It would be an absolute bonus if our youngsters make the finals this season and deservely so. Apart from the debacle against 3rd placed Hawthorn in R3, our boys have been super competitive against certain finalists Collingwood, Carlton and Sydney. To think. in recent seasons, we were regularly blown away by quality opposition.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

IMO our defense has been strengthened significantly by the form of Rance and generally playing 3 tall defenders . In saying that McGaunne has been very poor defensively and has not been sighted offensively . I have assumed peoples thinking for Goo to replace McGaunne is due to them wanting see Goo being given an opportunity and McGaunne has consistently been our worst defender defensively .
I think Goo does deserve a crack , as much so that a accurate assessment can be made on his future at seasons end , and avoid him remaining on the list for 2012 as a call hasn't been made on his ability at AFL level .

 

[rammbo]

Seems the years of following richmond has really taken a toll on some we dont want to make finals WTF not only that miller is now our great chf that we hav been deprived of for so many years ffs get real i dont care wat great structual and support systems hes put in place all he will do is help us stagnate.

 

[The Goon]

Yes it would be great to experience the build up and anticipation to playing a final. The media would be all over us, fans would be coming out of the woodwork left right and centre and training would be packed.

Yes the players would give their all to try and win as well, the coaches would do everything that they could to win as well, but I don't believe that we have the gameplan to win a final just yet, nor do we have the bodies to compete in a final. To me there is little point playing finals if you can't compete and I just feel that we would get blown away early by the pace and pressure and the whole experience would be awful, but at the same time a great learning experience for the group. That is why I believe Hardwick and co would rather wait a year before making the finals as they want to be able to compete and be in with a good show of winning, rather than just making up the numbers so to speak.

You're kind of contradicting yourself here RT. If it's a great learning experience for the group isn't that a good reason to play finals?

I also would debate that we'd necessarily get blown away. If we did manage to sneak in to the 8 we'd be playing another team in the 4-8 bracket in the first week. As of today that would be one of West Coast, Freo, Swans or Essendon. We've beaten two of those, came close against the Swans and I don't think our team would have any particular fear of West Coast. I'd be pretty sure Hardwick would think we could beat any of those teams in a final.

Sure we won't win the flag this year, but look at how Collingwood snuck into the 8 in 2008, won the first week then were bundled out. Or how the Blues were just making up the numbers in 2009 and where they are now.

Personally I don't think we'll make the 8 this year, but I've certainly got no fears about playing if we do.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

I think we should be striving to win as many games as possible however in doing so , this season there are two very important things which must be ticked and if it means at the expense of winning games I can handle it .
1. A clear decision must be made on every player upon our list who was there when Dimma took over , meaning every player must have been enough prolonged opportunity within the AFL to make a clear decision .
2. Game plan and expectation of players , must be set in stone and remain uncompromisable !

 

[_RT_]

You're kind of contradicting yourself here RT. If it's a great learning experience for the group isn't that a good reason to play finals?

Certainly seems that way and wouldn't be the first time. What I was trying to get at was getting blown away early, which has happened nearly every week, would ruin the chance for our guys to play a real final where the pressure was on for the whole game and we'd be fighting until the end. At the same time I can see how getting to experience the build up, atmosphere and excitement would be a great learning experience, however I don't feel it would be as great without being competitive.

 

[Maroo]

Sure we won't win the flag this year, but look at how Collingwood snuck into the 8 in 2008, won the first week then were bundled out. Or how the Blues were just making up the numbers in 2009 and where they are now.

You do realise that Collingwood were a kick away from beating Geelong in the 2007 prelim, don't you?

I'm all for making finals this year, but I don't want it to come at the expense of developing the players and game plan.

The thing that's really irritaing me on here is the constant bleating about Richmond being victimised by the umpires & the AFL. Some of those blokes need to dead-set take a look in the mirror, they're an embarrassment to themselves and the club.

Sure, we have had the rough end of a few calls this year, but I haven't once left a game or turned off the TV feeling that the umpires have cost us more than we cost ourselves.

 

[nut]

We are definitely not hell bent on making the finals. I dont thinks it's a question of us not wanting to make the eight but it's more picking sides for development and working on structures. The fact our best clearance player is in the 2's and we've been playing with a defender short etc.... means we have gone along way in identifying who we want in our side for the future.
Tuck would have been competing against Cotchin in clearances. At the start of the season I wanted Tuck in. We would have beaten a few sides with Tuck in the middle including Carlton. But the short term pain has seen Cotchin become an elite clearance player, plus we are playing a midfield structure that well be playing together for the next 4-5 years atleast.

 

[Tigerland]

Things that irritate me: posters saying 'We don't want to make finals".

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I totally agree. Of course we want to taste finals. Get there then see what happens.
Not wanting to make finals is a loser mentality. Build a winning culture FFS.
Just silly to suggest otherwise.

 

[nut]

What separates Richmond from Melbourne and Carlton is we do not tank -

Unfortunately thats not 100% true..

 

[Bazzar]

We are definitely not hell bent on making the finals. I dont thinks it's a question of us not wanting to make the eight but it's more picking sides for development and working on structures. The fact our best clearance player is in the 2's and we've been playing with a defender short etc.... means we have gone along way in identifying who we want in our side for the future.
Tuck would have been competing against Cotchin in clearances. At the start of the season I wanted Tuck in. We would have beaten a few sides with Tuck in the middle including Carlton. But the short term pain has seen Cotchin become an elite clearance player, plus we are playing a midfield structure that well be playing together for the next 4-5 years atleast.

Who said this? Did Dimma say it in some interview or something? or is this just in your own mind.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Lets say we did make finals, who would we likely be playing?

WC, Freo, Ess, North, Sydney, Saints, etc.

Hardly teams who we would be worried about getting smashed by. Maybe WC over there could get hold of us, maybe. Laughable to think that we'd be scarred from playing a finals game IMO.

 

[CoggaRules]

• We don't want to make the finals this year. I want to see finals action so, so bad, but i promise you, if we make it, we will be obliterated. We are not ready. It could have the opposite effect, and set us back a year. It's about prolonged success, i'd rather wait till next year if it meant possibly 6-8 years of consistent finals action.
  

Feel free to discuss.

I understand what you are saying and have diagnosed your problem dude. The symptoms you have suggest you are still suffering from the effects of that dreaded disease that the club and many tigerheads came in contact with - Spuditis. Its one of those diseases that takes a looooooooooong time to get over. It might help if you understand that we now have a coach who knows the real deal about where this group is at, where it is heading for.

Cutting to the chase, if we make finals we are ready. If we get obliterated then all that suggests is that we were not ready to progress.
Coach needs to address how we progress. Tipping it aint gunna be with ins in the form of Hudson, Hoolahoop and Blumfield.
I wont bother explaining the bonus that making finals will have in the form of incoming $$$$ to the club, via sponsors wanting in on the ride, tigerheads wanting in on the ride etc etc etc

 

[nut]

Who said this? Did Dimma say it in some interview or something? or is this just in your own mind.

No it's clear with the selections we have made....

 

[Maroo]

Lets say we did make finals, who would we likely be playing?

WC, Freo, Ess, North, Sydney, Saints, etc.

Hardly teams who we would be worried about getting smashed by. Maybe WC over there could get hold of us, maybe. Laughable to think that we'd be scarred from playing a finals game IMO.

The top 6 is set, just positions will change.

If Richmond makes it, it'll be in 7th or 8th spot, and an away final against Sydney or WCE would be the result. Maybe Hawthorn if they slipped.

Any of those would be incredibly tough games, given those respective teams' finals experience.

Essendon, North & the Saints have no chance of getting high enough to play us in a final. Freo is too damaged at the moment to do it, but could get on a roll.

 

[Bazzar]

No it's clear with the selections we have made....

What selections are you talking about

 

[CoggaRules]

The top 6 is set, just positions will change.

If Richmond makes it, it'll be in 7th or 8th spot, and an away final against Sydney or WCE would be the result. Maybe Hawthorn if they slipped.

Any of those would be incredibly tough games, given those respective teams' finals experience.

Essendon, North & the Saints have no chance of getting high enough to play us in a final. Freo is too damaged at the moment to do it, but could get on a roll.

Tell you what dude...if we were to make it and the Swans in Sydney was who we ended up having to front up against. The brains trust would be high fiving at the chance to right the ledger of 2 weeks ago up there.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Tell you what dude...if we were to make it and the Swans in Sydney was who we ended up having to front up against. The brains trust would be high fiving at the chance to right the ledger of 2 weeks ago up there.

Yeah, not saying we'd win, but I don't think playing Sydney in Sydney would hold too many fears for us. Would be great experience for our guys.