Is Gary Rohan the worst finals player of all time?

[My Tilly]

Narkle is not a replacement for Dalhaus. Narkle is not a pressure player at all.,

Give me a bloke with some ticker and 7 years up his sleeve over this pea heart any day of the week thanks.

 

[Partridge]

He’s definitely objectively the worst, but he’s not an amazing Home & Away player either.

His possession avg in finals wouldn’t be significantly different from his usual count, and as a mid sized forward that’s not his main KPI.

Edit - averaging:

2021 - 10 touches, 1.7 goals
2020 - 8 touches, 1.1 goals
2019 - 9 touches, 1.3 goals
2018 - 9 touches, 0.6 goals
2017 - 9 touches, 1.3 goals

He’s just a pretty rubbish player.

No, no, no. You don't understand, he's an IMPACT player. And - I've had this regurgitated to me numerous times - it what he does when he doesn't have the ball that counts. Like the myth of opposition teams being terrified of his speed and tackling pressure. Doesn't ever seem to happen when it matters funnily enough.

 

[Partridge]

It’s weird bcos his game isn’t even built on high possession counts or bags of goals in the H&A season. He’s at his best when he’s applying manic pressure, chasing blokes down and being creative with knock ons etc. That’s stuff which should be pretty easy to replicate week to week given the freakish speed and natural talent that he has. Just for some reason gets absolutely nowhere near it in finals. Must be a huge mental block for him now.

This season he averaged 1.9 tackles per game which ranked a superb 347th in the competition. You read that right. 347th. Ratugolea and Charlie Dixon average more.

 

[matthew_s]

Must be a huge mental block for him now.

Needs to trade the physio in for the team psychologist.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

17 finals
16 goals
0.94 goals per game

240 disposals
14.11 disposals per game


However Leon Davis probably is the worst Grand Final player ever having recorded a 0 disposal game.

The thing is that Leon regularly went completely missing when he was young - while 0 in a GF is certainly embarrassing, it wasn't a complete aberration. And he got 10 possessions and a goal in the 2003 GF, which sounds pretty rubbish, but that year he had 7 games where he got less than 10 possessions and 3 where he got 4 or less. He was actually better in the 2003 GF than multiple games that year, relatively crap though he was.

In 2010 he was also sh*t, but kicked a clutch goal that saved us. And he was downright pretty good in 2011.

Leon deserves his mockery but it's a bit overplayed. There's nothing overplayed about Rohan - be has to be worst senior finals player ever.

 

[StillAtLarge]

In 2010 he was also sh*t, but kicked a clutch goal that saved us. And he was downright pretty good in 2011.

Didn't Varcoe kick 3 goals on him?

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

Stephen Milne is another small forward who struggled in big finals.

In fact, given how much better he was as a player than Rohan, he may in fact take the title.

In Milne's first prelim (2004), he had 1 touch, 0 goals and 4 clangers! (3 frees against) in one of the worst finals showings of all time.

In his second prelim (2005), he had 4 touches and no goals.

In his first 5 prelim or grand finals, he averaged 8 possessions and kicked a total of 2 goals (for a player that kicked 500+ in his career).

2010 was a bit better and he ended up with 8 goals across his 8 prelim and grand final appearances, never collecting 16 or more possessions in a game or kicking.more than 2 goals.

Milne's a great nomination.

It's hard to narrow down. You need a solid sample size, good regular season form and a substantial drop off come Finals. Is somebody like Dangerfield an option because his standard has significantly dropped away in multiple Finals, or does BOG's in games like the 17 semi, 20 semi, 19 QF rule him out?

I reckon Mark Blicavs has a great argument. Keep in mind he's a 2 time B&F winner. Has 2 good Finals to his name, the 16QF and the 17SF, outside those 2 games he's had some absolute howlers, including Friday night and the 2020 GF. His Elimination Final against Melbourne (the year he won our B&F) was horrible. I don't think he's been in the best 20 players in any Final he's played outside the 2 I mentioned, and has been in the bottom 10 in at least 6 I can recall.

Is there any other multiple B&F winners with a similar record?

 

[Partridge]

It's hard to narrow down. You need a solid sample size, good regular season form and a substantial drop off come Finals. Is somebody like Dangerfield an option because his standard has significantly dropped away in multiple Finals, or does BOG's in games like the 17 semi, 20 semi, 19 QF rule him out?

Can't seriously include Dangerfield, because at least early on for us he played some excellent finals. Particularly the 2017 semi versus Sydney. But he's been sliding gradually since then no question. Kicked 4 against Collingwood last year, but they were basically uncompetitive.

I reckon Mark Blicavs has a great argument. Keep in mind he's a 2 time B&F winner. Has 2 good Finals to his name, the 16QF and the 17SF, outside those 2 games he's had some absolute howlers, including Friday night and the 2020 GF. His Elimination Final against Melbourne (the year he won out B&F) was horrible. I don't think he's been in the best 20 players in any Final he's played outside the 2 I mentioned, and has been in the bottom 10 in at least 6 I can recall.

Is there any other multiple B&F winners with a similar record?

Not only that, but in quite a few his direct opponent was clear best on ground. That has to count for something as well. He would definitely be in contention.

No wonder we lose finals, we've got him and Rohan out there all the time in them.

 

[dumb]

my teams players can only dream big of being shit in finals like gary rohan

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Gary Rohan

Age

34

Ht

189cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.2

5star

G

1.2

4star

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Pretty obvious there is a disadvantage to small forwards in finals, with the worst examples being Rohan, Davis, Milne, hell even Cyril in 2012 was pretty useless, with the lasting image of Jetta burning him off down the wing.

Rohan is probably worst of them because while positionally he's a small forward, he plays more like a leadup forward, not a crumbing forward.

 

[Brickwall]

Gary Rohan in finals:

21 games

14 goals
9 behinds

12/21 games with 0 goals.

Average of 0.67 goals per game as a pure forward.

188 disposals at an average of 8.95 per game.

13/21 with 9 or less disposals.


I can’t recall a player that’s consistently had that many bad finals across their career.

is this a lot of over reaction on bigfooty ??????

 

[Belnakor]

Pretty obvious there is a disadvantage to small forwards in finals, with the worst examples being Rohan, Davis, Milne, hell even Cyril in 2012 was pretty useless, with the lasting image of Jetta burning him off down the wing.

Rohan is probably worst of them because while positionally he's a small forward, he plays more like a leadup forward, not a crumbing forward.

I can't think of too many finals where a small forward tore the game apart.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

It’s a tad harsh on poor Gary. He did have 12 disposals after all, which is miles above his finals average.
Scored 0.0 however…….
So he played a poor finals game which was better than his usual shocking ones.

They shifted him to full back, his disposals were kick outs

 

[WillHayward]

Surely Ratugolea comes in for Rohan this week?

 

[WillHayward]

I can't think of too many finals where a small forward tore the game apart.

Gary is 188cm.

Heeney is only 184cm.

Gary is a big guy and runs like the wind.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I can't think of too many finals where a small forward tore the game apart.

Essendon fans might be able to name a bloke after yesterday.

 

[matthew_s]

Essendon fans might be able to name a bloke after yesterday.

too busy trying to find umpires home addresses

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Pretty obvious there is a disadvantage to small forwards in finals, with the worst examples being Rohan, Davis, Milne, hell even Cyril in 2012 was pretty useless, with the lasting image of Jetta burning him off down the wing.

Rohan is probably worst of them because while positionally he's a small forward, he plays more like a leadup forward, not a crumbing forward.

He’s the same height as fritsch and taller than petracca and dusty he’s just a spud

 

[Whiskers]

Surely Ratugolea comes in for Rohan this week?

Yeah I would, good 2nd choice ruck, leave Blicavs back. Couldn’t do any worse.

Unfortunately our players are going to get worst finals performer nominations when we’ve been so bad in so many of them.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

Didn't Varcoe kick 3 goals on him?

I can't remember how long Leon was his direct opponent.

But regardless, he had 20 possessions and more importantly 11 tackles, which was equal 2nd on the ground. I'm not sayng he was close to a Norm or anything, but you certainly can't question his effort in that game.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Rohan needs an award for this.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

His torp was outstanding

I was a big fan of Rohan at the Swans, low possession player but his pressure was elite. Was trending very well prior to breaking his leg then took a while to overcome that and just never been outstanding but every now and then can be the difference. It's that carrot (pun intended) that dangles as to what he is capable of. Pretty good mark, usually a good kick for goal and explosive speed.

Can't ignore his finals issues, he even admitted to being a mess before a finals match in nerves. Every poor game would add to that mental issue.

Probably come out and kick the sealer next game. However, it's that kind of thinking which sees him get a game. Probably play the percentages and not play him as much as it pains me to say it.

 

[Xtreme]

3 way tie between Rohan, Leon Davis

Leon Davis

Age

44

Ht

177cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.5

3star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.0

1star

K

3.6

2star

HB

1.4

2star

M

1.2

2star

T

0.4

3star

G

0.4

3star

, Parrick Dangerfield

 

[StillAtLarge]

3 way tie between Rohan, Leon Davis, Parrick Dangerfield

Nah Chad Fletcher has Danger covered

 

[HairyO]

He's just not a very prolific player hands down. Add some finals pressure which always hurts small forwards and it's no surprise

Plenty of small forwards have shone during finals. But its certainly a tough position at the best of times.