Is The US Government A Fascist One?

[CharlieG]

Eight is wrong as mixing religion and government is not a fascist trait.

Ah, got it.

Fascists usually do associate themselves with a particular 'national' religion, but only as the subordinate of the state.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Single Party State

You dont believe Howard would like a single party state

 

[TheBloods]

You dont believe Howard would like a single party state

Yeah, and I'd like to be king of the world, but so what!!

 

[TheBloods]

Ah, got it.

Fascists usually do associate themselves with a particular 'national' religion, but only as the subordinate of the state.

I don't agree. I think standard religion played virtually no meaningful role in fascism, as seen in Italy and Germany. There was a link to the Catholics in Austria, but I think it is more about using institutions of power rather than having religious undertones.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Yeah, and I'd like to be king of the world, but so what!!

Howard wouls have no idea what a democracy is,nor would you.So i wouldnt expected a better answer then that.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Yeah, and I'd like to be king of the world, but so what!!

Howard would have no idea what a democracy is,nor would you.So i wouldnt expected a better answer then that.

 

[CharlieG]

I don't agree. I think standard religion played virtually no meaningful role in fascism, as seen in Italy and Germany. There was a link to the Catholics in Austria, but I think it is more about using institutions of power rather than having religious undertones.

I didn't say it did. Religion was just one of many alternative power centres (trade unions, corporations, children's clubs and the like being others) that fascists try to incorporate into their statist ideology.

 

[TheBloods]

Yes, hence I don't think point 8 is applicable when it says "Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions."

 

[CharlieG]

I don't see how that statement necessarily differs from what I said.

 

[Richo83]

You dont believe Howard would like a single party state

I think Howard needs Labour to give him laughter each day. Plus, every time Labour stuffs up, it entrenches Howard's leadership by showing how bad the alternative would be.

Image if Howard actually had a capable opponent in his time of office.

 

[TheBloods]

I don't see how that statement necessarily differs from what I said.

1. I don't think they are "intertwined". That implies a far closer relationship and reliance than was the case.

2. "Tool to manipulate public opinion" - this not done in Germany. In Italy the Catholic Church was used once to drum up votes for Italy, but not really used apart from that. Both relied on their own propaganda and myths, separate from Christianity.

3. "Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions" - neither Hitler nor Mussolini used religious rhetoric. A lot of their rhetoric had arguable religious undertones, invoking various myths plus the messianic view of the leaders, but it was not about using rhetoric related to "the most common religion in the nation".

 

[Bombers 2003]

neither Hitler nor Mussolini used religious rhetoric.

Hitler certainly used christian symbolism against the Jews.

 

[fairdinkum]

I think Howard needs Labour to give him laughter each day. Plus, every time Labour stuffs up, it entrenches Howard's leadership by showing how bad the alternative would be.

Image if Howard actually had a capable opponent in his time of office.

Indeed...

 

[Marcel Proust]

https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/gug7i4

 

[Marcel Proust]

U.S. police failing to respect right to peaceful protest: Amnesty International
U.S. police across the country are failing their obligations under international law to respect and facilitate the right to peaceful protest, rights group Amnesty International warned Saturday, adding that this was exacerbating a tense situation and endangering the lives of protesters.

“In city after city, we are witnessing actions that could be considered unnecessary or excessive force," said Rachel Ward, national director of research at Amnesty International USA. "We call for an immediate end to any excessive use of force and for law enforcement to ensure and protect the legal right to protest.”

She added that the use of heavy-duty riot gear and military-grade weapons and equipment to police largely peaceful demonstrations may intimidate protesters who are practicing their right to peaceful assembly.

“Equipping officers in a manner more appropriate for a battlefield may put them in the mindset that confrontation and conflict are inevitable,” she said.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Secret police, no way to complain against a single officer if they abuse you because they wont ID themselves.

What are the chances Erik Prince has a hand in this? Note: they were prison guards. Not far off from Nazi brown shirts. 06/4/20 302 notes

scottiestoybox.com

 

[Marcel Proust]

 

[Gethelred]

That officer shows a good deal of restraint there.

Should be wearing ID, though.

 

[Marcel Proust]

The battle of Blair mountain makes Waco look like a tea party

 

[Fire]

The cops are way out of control in the US; but they aren't organised in a centalised manner. They are more akin to a collection of street gangs out to control their territory, rather than an government enforcement body you would expect in a police state. Police over here are controlled by the equivalent of local councils; so they are a long way from being used as such a tool in a fascist state; at least directly, anyway.

The real thing to keep an eye on in the US is the erosion of its federal institutions by the current president. The system is crumbling from a weak foundation, and just waiting for a competant fascist to come in and knock it all down. Its not fascist yet, but I am confident it will fall in our lifetime.

 

[truedemon]

Came across this and written in 2003 , I do think it was directed at the US Government without naming them. The original author highlighted what he saw as the defining principles of Hitlers Germany, Francos Spain ,Mussolinis Italy and Suhartos Indonesia .What do you think? I think it comes very scarily to the mark , but hopefully some can

1. Point out the error of the original piece

2. Highlight what they see as Fascism and its principles.

I know RJ did a thread last July but he named 3 principles of Fascism. Do these 14 count?

14 Signs of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

and you think communism is a good idea!

1 most countries have some strong form of nationalism yet its only racist if its a western country
2 the USA is one of the least
3thats the game the democrats but leftist media and leftist education to hollywood blame the republicans for this! learn basicis of USA political history and youll find democrats are racist to the core still today
4 the USA protects the navigation of free trade hence the large naval fleet
5 try a middle easten country, Africa or several Asian counrties where women are seen a lower than an animal and the LBGT communities are killed the death penality is still in place for many of those
6 controlled mass media 90% left winged same goes for education systems and hollywood
7youll find most countries are especially one as large as the USA
8if that was the case there would not be so many different and diverse religions similar to Australia and other western free countries
9who owns the media, large businesses etc? there your answer will be
10 they are supressed by the globlists for the sake of cheap pruducts from china, one of the reasons why trump is hated so much who wants america strong again. hence his trade war that was 4 years ahead of whay many of the major countries in the world is now doing trying to have some nationalism and want manufacturing and business to return back to home land
11thats the leftifts doing it to any conservative
12 if rioting similar of what we just saw had taken place in any other major country, people would be shot, arrested and punished for acts that had nothing to do with race. china you are punished for jay walking across the road incorrectly & can potentially effect your financial credit rating (YES )
14 the democrats have a long list of fraudulent elections! FFS Hillary losed a rigged election and the democrats still cant get over it!

basically as the left creep in to society we continue to slowly loose our freedom and promote communism. the basic core of communism is control of everything that always leads to corruption and destruction of societies.
hence this cancel culture censoring and deleting of history to hide the fact of the distruction it brings

the rise of china is the most concerning factor not the USA of the way the covid19 virus and WHO arent a case to be concerned about your a lost case

 

[NSWCROW]

Would appear PC struck a nerve.....

 

[Bomberboyokay]

While Trump's Republican Party make most of the decisions, yes.

 

[Seeds]

Yes, they are. They're no longer Communist - Deng made sure of that.

And dengs a hero for it. Pity Xis taking them back down the path of Mao.

 

[Seeds]

Who cares if the us government is labelled by a vague term of facism or not.

The us government has some major issues mostly driven by the influence money has on the political system and the way voting is done and added up. Whether we label it as facist or not is nothing more than semantics.