Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

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Gethelred said:
Alright.

I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have connections to either side of the conflict. What you need to understand is that this site has rules governing posting standards and the appropriate way to talk to other posters, and you will abide by them.

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  • direct labelling of someone as anti-semitic or a terrorist sympathiser for posting that is merely critical of Israel's response over time. I appreciate that Israel has the right to defend themselves from violence, but that does not mean that Israel has carte blanche to attack disproportionately towards people under their care.
  • deliberate goading or flippant responses, designed to get people reacting to your posting emotionally.
  • abuse.
  • attempts to turn this into a Left vs Right shitfight.
  • If I see the word 'Nazi' in here, you had better be able to justify it in the post you're making and the comparison had better be apt. Godwin's law is in full effect for the purposes of this thread; if you refer to Nazis, you've lost whatever argument you're involved in.
  • Any defense of Hamas' actions on the basis of justification. There's no justification for genocide, regardless of whether or not they have the power to do so.
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Play nicely, all.
 
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Number37 said:
If Hamas was slaughtering innocent Israelis and stealing Israeli land would you be talking about Egypt or other neighbouring countries taking in Israelis?????

Will you answer the question this time?
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Here’s the original question which I answered clearly and plainly but I will try again.

Yes I would be still talking about Egypt and other countries taking in Israelis .

Don’t know how that is any different to how I answered it the first time but surely I have answered it now ?
 
Number37 said:
They are walled in because of Israel, not because of Egypt.
They wouldn't need to go anywhere if Israel wasn't forcing them to flee.

Very very simple.
Not complicated at all.
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But being morally correct or it’s not Egypts fault that they built a wall ..isn’t helping the children caught in a war zone that are dying.
Can’t they at least let the women and children through that want to get the hell out of there?
 
Boston tiger said:
But being morally correct or it’s not Egypts fault that they built a wall ..isn’t helping the children caught in a war zone that are dying.
Can’t they at least let the women and children through that want to get the hell out of there?
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The main problem is the occupying force, the one that is bombing and shooting these women and children that you so clearly care about.

Why do you keep deflecting to Egypt?
 

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Boston tiger said:
So what do you think?
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I in favor of free movement, but recognise I’m in a very small minority. I also believe that movement is at your own risk (so for example Australia is not responsible for deaths of people getting into leaky boats)
But I’m also not in Egypt and can easily understand reluctance to help given the cost. I’m not going to tell Egypt what to do; they aren’t taking any offensive actions (compare Russia I’m happy to tell them to **** off with their ******** invasion as they are in full control of what they do and are prime cause)
 
Number37 said:
That doesn't answer the question. Again.

If Hamas forcibly displaces Israelis, Israelis can run to Egypt or to other countries, because that's what neighbours do, right?

All Hamas has to do is kill 30,000 Israelis, destroy every building in Israel and force every Israeli to move from the North to the South and then into the Sinai and according to people like you, that wouldn't be genocide. That would be journalists with an agenda using emotive language

You would have no issue with Hamas doing that. It's war, bad stuff happens in war. It's not genocide or ethnic cleansing, it would just be part of war.
All the IDF would have to do is surrender. Simple. Everyone then goes home happy.
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Yes if the IDF surrendered the war would stop. Not everyone would go home happy but the killing of innocent women and children would stop. Isn’t that what we are all here for ?
 
Boston tiger said:
Yes if the IDF surrendered the war would stop. Not everyone would go home happy but the killing of innocent women and children would stop. Isn’t that what we are all here for ?
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So why don't they?
 
Crankyhawk said:
I in favor of free movement, but recognise I’m in a very small minority. I also believe that movement is at your own risk (so for example Australia is not responsible for deaths of people getting into leaky boats)
But I’m also not in Egypt and can easily understand reluctance to help given the cost. I’m not going to tell Egypt what to do; they aren’t taking any offensive actions (compare Russia I’m happy to tell them to * off with their ***** invasion as they are in full control of what they do and are prime cause)
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Well I say open your border to the women and children Egypt
One …it saves lives of the innocent .
Two….As soon as Hamas no longer has women and children to hide amongst then they surrender. No more terrible terrible terrible war

How does that fit in to your ideology?
 
Boston tiger said:
Well I say open your border to the women and children Egypt
One …it saves lives of the innocent .
Two….As soon as Hamas no longer has women and children to hide amongst then they surrender. No more terrible terrible terrible war

How does that fit in to your ideology?
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Three... It gives Israel an out for all the murders they have committed. Unless Egypt is willing to then fight for Gazans, feed, clothe, and house them their fate will be the same.

All Israel has to do is stop and rebuild.

Not hard.
 
Boston tiger said:
Well I say open your border to the women and children Egypt
One …it saves lives of the innocent .
Two….As soon as Hamas no longer has women and children to hide amongst then they surrender. No more terrible terrible terrible war

How does that fit in to your ideology?
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or Israel say "we don't believe you have released everyone we will still kill off any potential terrorist, and we know women cna be terrorists and children grow up to be terrorists"

you don't get to dictate to Egypt what Egypt chooses to do when Egypt are not dropping bombs on anyone. THough Id turn a blind eye if they dropped one on Bibi.
 
Boston tiger said:
Exactly.. so don’t you think it’s time to look at other options?
Gaza is 40km by 10km. The children aren’t far from safety.
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other options apart from stop bombing
Bibi commit ritual seppuku maybe.
 

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Boston tiger said:
Doesn’t help the women and children if they are the bad guys .

They are the powerful guys and it’s not their women and children getting killed.
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That's weird. You've just posted 5 times that Egypt are the bad guys. It's not their women and children either.

Why do you apply different standards for different bad guys?
 
Ghost Patrol said:
That's weird. You've just posted 5 times that Egypt are the bad guys. It's not their women and children either.

Why do you apply different standards for different bad guys?
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it is deflection away from the crime israel commits by putting onus on a third party to intervene.
 
Ghost Patrol said:
That's weird. You've just posted 5 times that Egypt are the bad guys. It's not their women and children either.

Why do you apply different standards for different bad guys?
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All right so the Israelis are the bad guys and the Egyptians are the bad guys. So no chance of the bombing stopping or borders been open .
What’s left ?
Hamas to surrender ? I’m happy with that .
Or is that a no no on here ?
 
Boston tiger said:
All right so the Israelis are the bad guys and the Egyptians are the bad guys. So no chance of the bombing stopping or borders been open .
What’s left ?
Hamas to surrender ? I’m happy with that .
Or is that a no no on here ?
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No one supports Hamas here.

With Israel shooting anyone that waves a white flag, how do you propose that Hamas surrenders?
Can it be done safely?
 
Boston tiger said:
All right so the Israelis are the bad guys and the Egyptians are the bad guys. So no chance of the bombing stopping or borders been open .
What’s left ?
Hamas to surrender ? I’m happy with that .
Or is that a no no on here ?
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Egyptians not bad guys. Are neutral by inaction.
What happens when Hamas surrender and Israel claim it is not a real surrender and so keep attacking?
 
Ghost Patrol said:
No one supports Hamas here.

With Israel shooting anyone that waves a white flag, how do you propose that Hamas surrenders?
Can it be done safely?
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Mmm. Good point. I think there used to be a head honcho somewhere but whether anyone listens anymore. Who knows.
Return of all hostages would be away of showing that you are fair dinkum about things.
 
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