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some good analysis here, I think I agree that his position/role + successful defense retool + not particularly inspiring form + disadvantage of unseating incumbent (Guthrie) = few chances.
it would be interesting to watch the same videos the coaches see. Does he get to good positions both defensively and offensively when he doesn't have the ball? If he does, is he used by his teammates?
his kicking ability should be utilized more creatively I feel. Lately I've been pondering how we could be the manic pressure that has been smashing us. I think some more set plays would help. I mean we kick to a man who immediately wheels and kicks to a predetermined area where we've already have players set up. Obviously making sure the man on the mark is not too close and just no going back on the mark and waiting for 'play on'. Thurlow should be good for this kind of tactic. On a tangent, also for breaking the pressure we should have our kicking targets working in pairs to also move the ball on quickly via a hand ball immediately after a mark. Ive seen other clubs move the ball well doing something like that. As has been said more teamwork, less individualism.
 
It's actually remarkable how many excuses are being made for Thurlow.

If he was as good as is claimed then he wouldn't be on the outer. As it is he's an attacking defender that doesn't contribute meaningfully to our structure. The burden to justify selection is higher when you play that loose role behind the ball, especially when we already have Tuohy and Cuthrie playing similar roles.

Lets see what he can bring this week, but I won't be holding my breath.
 
Like everyone I really liked thurlow pre-injury a few things have gone against him mainly T.Stewart has been a revelation can play as a 3rd key defender and a really offensive half back flanker that can intercept. I never saw this uptick in performance coming for him. 2e trade and then the rise of jack Henry who was playing defence before heading forward.

Put him a long way back in the cue he might need to change positions wing and defensive half forward. He is a beautiful kick decision making / execution under pressure is what makes his kicking questionable.

Or he could be traded for geelong would receive a pick in the lates 40s. Would like to see him in our best 22 somehow because we don't have much leg speed so we need penetrating kickers. VFL form is solid
 
Landgraft said:
It's actually remarkable how many excuses are being made for Thurlow.

If he was as good as is claimed then he wouldn't be on the outer. As it is he's an attacking defender that doesn't contribute meaningfully to our structure. The burden to justify selection is higher when you play that loose role behind the ball, especially when we already have Tuohy and Cuthrie playing similar roles.

Lets see what he can bring this week, but I won't be holding my breath.
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Just because you don’t agree with what people are saying about Jackson and their opinion on him doesn’t make them ‘excuses’.

IMO Thurlow would play that role better than Cuthrie that’s what I’m frustrated with. Both have put in similar performances in that role (which I understand isn’t anything amazing and clearly below Stewart/Tuohy who we have down there) but one is given as many opportunities to work on his game at senior level in Cuthrie seemingly without the fear of getting dropped, while Thurlow knows if he has a poor/quiet game there’s a good chance he’ll be dropped after that one performance and I’m sure it plays on his mind during games.

If we just backed Thurlow in like we did with Cuthrie to the point where he actually feels more confident in his position in the senior team I believe we would see improved performances from Jackson as he gets that continuity in the seniors. Meanwhile Cuthrie gets that continuity and yet doesn’t build his form, probably because he doesn’t have the fear of being dropped hanging over him.
 

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Cursed_Cat said:
Yes; played Rounds 5,6,7,8 & 9 - you probably don't recall because he just didn't do all that much of anything. Mr Anonymous on the field.
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I didn’t realise that. I was overseas for 4 of those games.
 
Daniel McL said:
Just because you don’t agree with what people are saying about Jackson and their opinion on him doesn’t make them ‘excuses’.

IMO Thurlow would play that role better than Cuthrie that’s what I’m frustrated with. Both have put in similar performances in that role (which I understand isn’t anything amazing and clearly below Stewart/Tuohy who we have down there) but one is given as many opportunities to work on his game at senior level in Cuthrie seemingly without the fear of getting dropped, while Thurlow knows if he has a poor/quiet game there’s a good chance he’ll be dropped after that one performance and I’m sure it plays on his mind during games.

If we just backed Thurlow in like we did with Cuthrie to the point where he actually feels more confident in his position in the senior team I believe we would see improved performances from Jackson as he gets that continuity in the seniors. Meanwhile Cuthrie gets that continuity and yet doesn’t build his form, probably because he doesn’t have the fear of being dropped hanging over him.
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People absolutely have been making excuses for him, like it or not. The fact is that he has had blocks of games in the seniors and hasn't shown enough to justify ongoing selection throughout those blocks. His VFL numbers haven't even been that much better than Guths AFL numbers, basically just getting a bit more of the ball but not creating a whole lot with it... and 0.3 for the season. At VFL level.

I don't think anyone is accusing Guthrie of setting the world on fire this year but I'd select him over Thurlow any day of the week. Be mad not to.
 
Landgraft said:
People absolutely have been making excuses for him, like it or not. The fact is that he has had blocks of games in the seniors and hasn't shown enough to justify ongoing selection throughout those blocks. His VFL numbers haven't even been that much better than Guths AFL numbers, basically just getting a bit more of the ball but not creating a whole lot with it... and 0.3 for the season. At VFL level.

I don't think anyone is accusing Guthrie of setting the world on fire this year but I'd select him over Thurlow any day of the week. Be mad not to.
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Out of the two blocks of games I can think of one was when he first returned from an ACL in the seniors last year so it’s fair enough he didn’t perform incredibly, and the other was the block of games earlier this year where he did his role well enough imo before being dropped because we lost to Essendon even though he didn’t perform terribly in that game either. Another block might’ve been the few games he had playing on the wing at the end of last season when most of us thought he was performing quite well than all of a sudden got dropped which many of us didn’t understand.

In terms of VFL numbers, yes Thurlow’s had a few quiet games like most players have, but I also saw a 43 possession game, a 32 possession game and a 29-30 touch game from him in the VFL which is clearly better than any AFL numbers from Cuthrie this year. But not sure why we’re comparing Thurlow’s VFL stats to Cuthrie’s AFL stats as Thurlow plays a bit more midfield when in the VFL so higher numbers are to be expected at times.

In terms of AFL performances in that half back flank role both Thurlow & Cuthrie have only been okay. Except one gets dropped as soon as he has a poor game while the other will never get dropped no matter how many poor games he has. Wouldn’t be mad to prefer Thurlow over Cuthrie that’s fine with me mate you can have Cuthrie and I’ll have Thurlow.
 
Ray Donovan said:
Like everyone I really liked thurlow pre-injury a few things have gone against him mainly T.Stewart has been a revelation can play as a 3rd key defender and a really offensive half back flanker that can intercept. I never saw this uptick in performance coming for him. 2e trade and then the rise of jack Henry who was playing defence before heading forward.

Put him a long way back in the cue he might need to change positions wing and defensive half forward. He is a beautiful kick decision making / execution under pressure is what makes his kicking questionable.

Or he could be traded for geelong would receive a pick in the lates 40s. Would like to see him in our best 22 somehow because we don't have much leg speed so we need penetrating kickers. VFL form is solid
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I can see him being traded to a club who is going to give him an opportunity, this Kid will be treated as a Mature aged Recruit who has done the hard yards, his whole career at Geelong has been based on blocks of games, go back to his first year where he played 7 or 8 games and then got Dropped for no reason after his best game against GWS, Thurlows ability and footy smarts are not the problem, if people are saying he hasn't responded after his Knee Reco, well the the Club has miss managed him because they have a duty of care to make sure he is up to speed,I believe Thurlow will respond, it is very difficult to build confidence when you run out on game day knowing you are in the Gun,I take my hat off to him, not to many Kids have gone through a year like him, Responded last week back in the VFL,one can only hope he has a good game against Freo.
 
Biscut said:
So how do we think he went today??
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What i waned from him.

Good effort, skills and snagged a goal.

Play him again next week too.

Go Catters
 

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dazbroncos said:
What i waned from him.

Good effort, skills and snagged a goal.

Play him again next week too.

Go Catters
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I thought he was good. Was a contributor in the first quarter when it wasn’t going out way.

Did enough to get another game next week.
 
I would like to see a little more involvement from him. No doubt he’s got it between the ears. Seems to kick it to the right spot.
 

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BlakeyNoFlakey said:
Played well against poor opposition, it doesn't mean a thing until he can bring it against the good teams.
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Yeah, it's not uncommon for some perennially under-performing players to look good against witches' hats, only to fail to back it up against higher-caliber opposition. Have to be wary of what you take out of smashing a bottom side, as fun as it may be to watch.
 
Biggy_Boy said:
Yeah, it's not uncommon for some perennially under-performing players to look good against witches' hats, only to fail to back it up against higher-caliber opposition. Have to be wary of what you take out of smashing a bottom side, as fun as it may be to watch.
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Keep Thurlow on the list. An easy decision. The guy has upside. Others will be moved on this year.
 
Biggy_Boy said:
Yeah, it's not uncommon for some perennially under-performing players to look good against witches' hats, only to fail to back it up against higher-caliber opposition. Have to be wary of what you take out of smashing a bottom side, as fun as it may be to watch.
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As an outside player its more likely he plays well against the bad sides because the ball winners can get it to him easy.

Against good teams the inside players get killed and cant get it to someone like Thurlow then he gets crucified because he has 10 possessions. Even though the ball winners will have 25 nothing possessions with plenty of poor disposal.

The question should be does this guy have talent and are we utilising it?

To me he looks a bit like Mitch Brown, seems a bit lazy and lost but the talent is there. Unfortunately that talent will be utilised by another club cos Scott doesn't persist with outside players.

He'll be gone for pick 50 and in 2-3 years will be a good player.
 
cynical said:
As an outside player its more likely he plays well against the bad sides because the ball winners can get it to him easy.

Against good teams the inside players get killed and cant get it to someone like Thurlow then he gets crucified because he has 10 possessions. Even though the ball winners will have 25 nothing possessions with plenty of poor disposal.

The question should be does this guy have talent and are we utilising it?

To me he looks a bit like Mitch Brown, seems a bit lazy and lost but the talent is there. Unfortunately that talent will be utilised by another club cos Scott doesn't persist with outside players.

He'll be gone for pick 50 and in 2-3 years will be a good player.
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The next 1-5 weeks will reveal a lot.
I would love to keep him- I can see him doing a Caddy and turning it on elsewhere.
 

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