Jacob's Request Trade

[Jeremias]

1) If you have seen all my posts then you would know that I'm not a Walker fan and am wrapped that they are trying to get rid of him.

We also know you are a moron.

3) I'm not going to reveal my source that would be just plain stupid, i'm not going to betray them but let me say that i have permission to say FACT with certain things that are going on. I can only gain credibility with you guys if what i say comes to frutation right. I will say this about Ratten, i adored him as a player but like alot of Carlton supporters I do not think his coaching is as good as the club needs. The liar thing started when Fevola was sacked and he's continued to lie about other things throughout the season during some interviews, I cannot say specifics. Some of you have little sayings that automatically are there at the end of every post. Right now this is mine RATTENS A LIAR.

The Blues are going to get rid of Thornton because Ratten spat the dummy with him, this is not right. Now Grigg wants out which is going to leave an even bigger deficency in our back line, does it bother you? How many defenders are available from other clubs to fill these voids and will the club be able to scramble to get these deals done in time.
I will never reveal my source as I'd never get any more info.
I havent really had anyone on this sight come out and say that they definately know that I'm wrong and if there are people in the inner sanctum on this sight, then why havent they come out to even defend Ratten?

Mostly I have had SIN slag me off but he/she hasnt really offered anything to disprove what Im saying.
One more thing, i have noticed that the minute an anouncement gets made ie Simon Goodwin, McDonald, Laidely, etc some of you link them to our club the very next second. Almost every person available was supposed to be coming, whats with that? I have had oppinions who should be assistant coach and IMO it should be David Teague, he has helped develope the young players and knows them better than Ratten. He knows their stregnths and weaknesses etc and has a positive coaching style (not punitive like Ratten) and gets along with the players. What more can the club ask for?

Ive said that they should beg Mark Thompson to come over not as an adviser or assistant but as Senior coach. C'mon surely you have noticed that Ratten makes changes mainly during the breaks and has been out coached on games we should have won.The one that sticks out the most was the Hawthorn loss where their defenders ran off our small forwards (who of course followed them) leaving O'Halpin in the forward line with practically two defenders on him. He didnt stand a chance and he looked like he was completely incompetant. Previously the structure was working ok having O'halpin down there, he kicked a couple himself and the three small forwards would crumb. Ever since that game every other coach employed exactly the same tactic and Ratten did nothing but drop O'halpin. How many games did we lose after that? It took him ages to work it out and lets face it we won against richmond, melbourne, west coast to keep us just inside te 8. O'Halpin was punished for Rattens bad coaching that pisses me off. He's a player i have a soft spot for and at the start of the season we were all singing his praises, he was going to fill the Fev void and this was going to be the year that he finally made his mark.

You aren't going to reveal your source because you don't have one.

You have just been making shit up and formulating your own opinion and trying to pass that off as fact.

That might work when talking to people that are just as stupid as you.

Take it to the Richmond board.

We have a great team, they just didnt use our talent because of a punative coach who put his own ego before the team. We should have finished higher in the 8, (you all know it) and lost too many games that we were expected to win. Too many ins and out's most weeks which would make any team unsettled. Is there any one of you who remotely agree with even part of what Im saying?????

There's noone here that remotely agrees with you because you are a troll and an idiot.

Why can't you take your own advice and stop posting and wasting our time?

It is clear you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking. It doesn't matter how many times you say you know what you are on about. It doesn't matter how many times you say you have a source. It doesn't matter how many times you say something is FACT when it is clear that it is an opinion, and a completely ridiculous one.

You are an idiot and your posts reflect exactly that. It doesn't matter that you are a chick, nor does it matter that you change your username. Your shit still stinks.

Posting a so called fact over and over again doesn't make it any more believable.

You are only fooling yourself.

You said you wouldn't be posting here much more and that made us happy. Why neglect us of that pleasure?

The only fact you have proven in all your written garbage is that you are a shmuck.

 

[HARKER]

1)
We have a great team, they just didnt use our talent because of a punative coach who put his own ego before the team. We should have finished higher in the 8, (you all know it) and lost too many games that we were expected to win. Too many ins and out's most weeks which would make any team unsettled. Is there any one of you who remotely agree with even part of what Im saying?????

In a roundabout way, I think you may have something to add here methinks, but it will take a few things on your part.

Firstly, the better posters do not seek attention for attentions sake.
They post here for the benefit of the wider Carlton footballing community, where sharing of ideas and information is paramount for this board to make sense.
Crying out "look at me, look at me" does not work. Never has never will.
If it is attention you seek, and a pat on the back every time you post, you'll be sadly disappointed.

Secondly not all posts have to come from the angle, "I know better than you do"
Again, they're just ideas and no-one will begrudge you for having your opinion and wanting to have a say, but objectiveness is still the key.
It is on this board, and it is in everyday life. Your opinion is "not" absolute.

Thirdly and maybe even the most importantly, be dignified in your posts.
You tell us you're a lady and it may serve you well to act like one. Name calling for the sake of it is, well, unladylike even if someone else charged first
That may possibly mean very little to you, but I sincerely hope it does.

Lastly, there is no need to reply or justify any of your motives for previous posting as I'll tell you, it has been pretty poor.
Show us your worthy of more and we're all ears.
Good luck.

 

[Anzac16]

Best post of the entire thread. Sums up the situation perfectly. Adelaide will not trade their first round pick for Jacobs. Likely wont trade bock compo pick either. Best Carlton will get is Adelaide's current second round pick.

In any other trade week I would have to agree with you on this, especially as the Crows aren't very trade happy, and offer the lowest value they can think of for a player, and try and trade that for them.

This year on the other hand, quite a few clubs are after Jacobs, and the Blues could possibly talk him into going somewhere else. Also, with compromised drafts for the next few years, most clubs will need to trade for youngsters to develop. At the moment (in my opinion), the crows don't have enough players who will be able to play consistent enough footy for the next few years. While you do have some cracker young talent in Davis, Henderson, Tippet, Dangerfield and Sloane, that is not enough to get you through the next few years. Plus, you need a competent ruckman really soon, and James Craig will not be ready for next year.

Another factor that I know has been talked about on this thread is that most clubs will want to keep their respect at the trade table to make sure that clubs still want to trade with them. If Jacobs ends up going into the PSD as a result of the crows not agreeing to a suitable trade, then you might find it hard to trade for the next few years.

And before you say my knowledge of the Crows is crap, I have lived is SA all my life, some of my family members are Crows fans, and all the bloody media talk over here is Crows. So I have a firm knowledge of your list.

I think it will end up being Pick 14 as the Crows are desperate for Jacobs

 

[XXX KINGS]

Do you think Adelaide will give up pick 14 for the uncontracted Jacobs, when they know that if your club doesn't accept the Bock compo pick (which IMO is what you'll end up with, possibly with Sellar thrown in) you'll lose him for nothing. Yes or no?

Just to be clear, I'm not asking you what you think he's worth to Carlton. I'm asking you what you think Adelaide will be willing to give up for him. There's a difference.

Personally, I think it'll end up as a game of chicken. And I don't think Adelaide will crack, because Carlton have more to lose. For Adelaide, it's the difference between getting Jacobs and having a first rounder. Both are good options. For Carlton, it's the difference between having an early second rounder and absolutely nothing. One is a good option, one isn't. Swann and Icke might be the best negotiators in the world, but the facts are they're in a disadvantaged position.

Except Carlton have more to lose in not accepting fair compensation for one of our players who have been poached by another club. What happens when next year another player who we want to keep comes out of contract and demands a trade to another club? If clubs want to poach our players they need to be aware that they will need to give us something to get them. So I would rather have nothing than a second rounder that says to the public we are willing to let Adelaide take a shit all over our face and if anybody wants to come and take a shit on our face in future they are totally welcome. We need to scare clubs off from poaching our players not welcome them.

Lot's of teams have held tough in trade negotiations in the past, I can't think of one instance where the team that held tough lost out long term.

I don't expect to recieve what he is worth to us because I think on potential and output he is worth a top 15 draft pick. I expect fair compensation and would think that pick 14 will somehow have to be involved, even if it is 14 and Bock pick for 18 and Jacobs. A second round pick I would tell the Crows to stick it.

 

[parrot]

As a side-note, why are Port supporters so desperate that the Crows get a good deal out of this trade. I thought they hated each other. Perhaps not.

 

[stabface]

As a side-note, why are Port supporters so desperate that the Crows get a good deal out of this trade. I thought they hated each other. Perhaps not.

Common enemy

Anyway, if AFC don't want to give up their first round pick then they have to give up a quality player (i'm not talking Davis quality...) or arrange a trade with another club that can deliver a quality player/pick to us in a 3 way. Simple as that.

I can't wait for this trade to be finished so we can end these circular arguments...!

 

[Aphrodite]

As a side-note, why are Port supporters so desperate that the Crows get a good deal out of this trade. I thought they hated each other. Perhaps not.

I don't know why you bother with them parrot.

One poster in particular springs to mind & has been trolling this board for quite some time now & this thread is totally irrelevant to that Port supporter & the Jacobs trade.

Obviously baiting you.

Just ingore that poster

 

[parrot]

Perhaps it's because they'll merge within 3 years.

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

The only joke around here is you. We get pick 14 or you don't get Jacobs. Simple as that. You can't just get quality for nothing, you're gonna have to give up quality too. So you've laughed off ANY POTENTIALLY quality KPD on your list and a POTENTIALLY QUALITY draft pick as a possible trade for a PROVEN AFL QUALITY ruckman. So what exactly do you think is fair then? The Bock pick is FAR too late in this year's draft and it will be in next year's draft as well. Your second rounder - even worse. Sellar? Don't even go there.

Now I don't know how contract negotiations work exactly but if a deal isn't done with you guys, I'm sure Sammy would want to stay with us rather than joining Richmond and we could work out a new deal after trade week.

If we can't do it like that, then I'd rather see him off to Richmond for nothing and you guys can continue to struggle in the ruck department.

1. He's not a proven quality AFL ruckman. He's a rookie who has played a few decent games so far.

2. You don't get the concept of a negotiation. "We get pick 14 or you get nothing" is not a negotiation, it's a demand. It won't happen like that.

3. You won't get pick 14.

 

[parrot]

Isn't it interesting to see all these Clubs fall over themselves at the prospect of getting our fringe players who would walk into their starting 22. Tells us just how good our list is, and it'll get even better with all the draft picks headed our way shortly.

 

[GoBlues!]

1. He's not a proven quality AFL ruckman. He's a rookie who has played a few decent games so far.

2. You don't get the concept of a negotiation. "We get pick 14 or you get nothing" is not a negotiation, it's a demand. It won't happen like that.

3. You won't get pick 14.

Not sure you really do either.

Talia and McKernan are even more unknown quantities and unproven than Jacobs is yet you demand they are non-negotiable.

As for pick 14. If you don't want to offer an adequate player in return then why wouldn't a swap of picks, 18 for 14, be an option?

 

[FAITH]

No chance they're going to give up a second rounder to Griffen.

Amazing that you actually believe something on the radio when you claim to have sources. The Dockers will more than likely get Mitch Clark and an upgrade on Bradley. That will allow them to develop Zac Clarke in the WAFL. Griffen would then be superflous to Fremantle's needs.

I actually think the trade:
Adel get Jacobs;
Carlton get Tarrent and 2nd rounder from freo;
Freo get griffen and 2nd rounder from crows

Is probably the fairest i have seen to date.

None of you carlton supporters have answered whether your happy with getting tarrant and 2nd rounder for jacobs?

Also Mitch Clark wont leave Brisbane.

 

[parrot]

After watching the Saints today, I wouldn't be surprised if they get involved in this trade. Jacob's would be perfect for the Saints.

 

[FAITH]

After watching the Saints today, I wouldn't be surprised if they get involved in this trade. Jacob's would be perfect for the Saints.

The problem is Jacobs is uncontracted and want to go to crows.

 

[Silvagnis]

Tarrant and a second rounder for Jacobs won't happen.

Jacobs will only get to the Crows if we're satisfied with the offer.

Stevens didn't get to Collingwood.

This thread is like a merry go round with Adelaide flogs and parrot shooting at each other with silly string.

 

[parrot]

The problem is Jacobs is uncontracted and want to go to crows.

If he had a choice between Richmond and the Saints who do you think he'd choose? See the point? Hawks are another possibility, plus a few others. He might not be able to get to his first choice club, and so the 2nd choice will have to do. Doesn't affect us either way, but you'll be kicking yourselves if you miss Jacobs.

 

[GoBlues!]

No chance they're going to give up a second rounder to Griffen.

Amazing that you actually believe something on the radio when you claim to have sources. The Dockers will more than likely get Mitch Clark and an upgrade on Bradley. That will allow them to develop Zac Clarke in the WAFL. Griffen would then be superflous to Fremantle's needs.

I actually think the trade:
Adel get Jacobs;
Carlton get Tarrent and 2nd rounder from freo;
Freo get griffen and 2nd rounder from crows

Is probably the fairest i have seen to date.

None of you carlton supporters have answered whether your happy with getting tarrant and 2nd rounder for jacobs?

Also Mitch Clark wont leave Brisbane.

Tarrant, who has maybe 2 yrs left, plus Freo's 2nd rounder (pick 38) in a compromised draft for a 22 y.o quality ruckman.

The answer is No.

 

[son of dominator]

Except Carlton have more to lose in not accepting fair compensation for one of our players who have been poached by another club. What happens when next year another player who we want to keep comes out of contract and demands a trade to another club? If clubs want to poach our players they need to be aware that they will need to give us something to get them. So I would rather have nothing than a second rounder that says to the public we are willing to let Adelaide take a shit all over our face and if anybody wants to come and take a shit on our face in future they are totally welcome. We need to scare clubs off from poaching our players not welcome them.

Lot's of teams have held tough in trade negotiations in the past, I can't think of one instance where the team that held tough lost out long term.

I don't expect to recieve what he is worth to us because I think on potential and output he is worth a top 15 draft pick. I expect fair compensation and would think that pick 14 will somehow have to be involved, even if it is 14 and Bock pick for 18 and Jacobs. A second round pick I would tell the Crows to stick it.

St Kilda held out and got nothing for Luke Ball and .......

 

[Tanks_Alot]

In the case of Walker, sure, because he's contracted. Jacobs is not under contract.

Who cares? Doesn't mean we're gonna give him up for shit.

What kind of attitude is that? Do you think your club is as unprofessional and immature as Port Power as to want to lose a player for nothing purely for vindictive and spiteful reasons?

The right attitude. We will be more unprofessional if we let go of a decent player for crap. If the deal can't get done he'll resign with us anyway, he wouldn't want to end up at Richmond.

 

[parrot]

Can't see what all the drama is about. We're trying to get him to the Crows, by giving them first crack, but if that fails, we'll work on his 2nd preference club whoever that is. And there'll be no shortage of interest. Doesn't really matter from our point of view.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

1. He's not a proven quality AFL ruckman. He's a rookie who has played a few decent games so far.

2. You don't get the concept of a negotiation. "We get pick 14 or you get nothing" is not a negotiation, it's a demand. It won't happen like that.

3. You won't get pick 14.

1. He outplayed an All-australian ruckman in an elimination final, if that doesn't prove he has what it takes then nothing will.

2. & 3. We are not going to lose all respect and let go of a very good ruckman with a bright future for your 2nd rounder and Sellar. If the deal doesn't get done, we'll re-sign him.

 

[Malifice]

No not at all and far from it. I'm angry because players are asking to be traded from our club, I knew this was going to happen and thats why i started posting.

If you are going to be honest here, of all the players up for trade this year arent really what you would consider 'vital'.

Jacobs want to return to his home State, and to gain more opportunities. Adelaides offered him a better deal, both in terms of location, money and playing time. You cant begrudge him really.

Itll be sad to see him go.

Re Walker, there have been a number of threads on trading him this year. His is one name that has been thron up in trading discussions all year. Same with Thornton. Both players have some pretty good trade value, and neither player I would consider vital to our best 22.

Im not fussed about those guys leaving.

Grigg is dissapointing. Bending the club over by delaying contract talks, while giving every indication he was going to stay. We will now be lucky to get anything of value for him (looks a cert to go to the Tiges, GC or maybe WCE in the PSD). I see a lot of potential in Grigga, (personally I would be trading him off to Essendon for thier second rouder at @ #30... reckon Hirdy would be all over him, and they need Mids).

Pissed off at losing Grigg, but at the end of the day he has bent us over. See ya later, traitor.

In relation to your comments about Ratts, there are threads on that. Constant sniping at our Coach in multiple threads just paints you as someone with a negative agenda and as (frankly) a bitch.

Please keep your 'I hate the Coach' thoughts in those threads please.

Ps Funny you should ask me that, my image of SIN is exactly that, he seems to be everwhere and must be online 24/7. Just like every club has a great big fat person in their cheer squad because they don't have a life.

TBH I was drunk when I posted that, and I apoligise.

Its just you appear (and I can only judge by what you write) to come across as a pretty bitter and twisted individual. Perhaps if you post some stuff a little more thoughtfull (and without demonstrating what can only be described as a vendetta against our Coach), and you might find the responses will be a little less antagonistic and angry in response.

You can post critical stuff, without putting people off side. Just make it constructive critisism. This is a Carlton board, and Carlton supporters who post here get annoyed when you bag out their players, coach and team in an unconstructive and vindictive way.

People arent getting angry at you for no reason.

Im not having a go here. Just can you chill a little with your posting? You are getting a lot of people offside uneccesarily.

Manners, and respect for others and all that.

Again, Im sorry for questioning your weight problem.

 

[GoBlues!]

Can't see what all the drama is about. We're trying to get him to the Crows, by giving them first crack, but if that fails, we'll work on his 2nd preference club whoever that is. And there'll be no shortage of interest. Doesn't really matter from our point of view.

It would be good, from Jacobs point of view, if Carlton and Crows can work out an amicable trade. But in the end if the Crows offer a crap player/deal they will lose an opportunity to gain a quality ruckman which they want and need.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Carlton brainstrust have spoken to other clubs about Jacobs, in case an acceptable Crow trade doesn't eventuate.

 

[THE_GUN]

It would be good, from Jacobs point of view, if Carlton and Crows can work out an amicable trade. But in the end if the Crows offer a crap player/deal they will lose an opportunity to gain a quality ruckman which they want and need.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Carlton brainstrust have spoken to other clubs about Jacobs, in case an acceptable Crow trade doesn't eventuate.

what would be an amicable trade in most carlton supporters minds.

 

[parrot]

It would be good, from Jacobs point of view, if Carlton and Crows can work out an amicable trade. But in the end if the Crows offer a crap player/deal they will lose an opportunity to gain a quality ruckman which they want and need.

Wouldn't surprise me if the Carlton brainstrust have spoken to other clubs about Jacobs, in case an acceptable Crow trade doesn't eventuate.

I have no doubt they're working on a Plan B behind the scenes, and several other Clubs are looking on with interest ready to jump if there are any signs of things stalling. Doesn't take too much effort to work out what other Clubs would want Jacobs, and there's several top-8 teams amongst them.

Was interesting reading the latest comments from the Crows about this trade. They went to great lengths not to criticize Carlton's offer in anyway, and were clearly concerned about a possible fall back plan.

If you look at our track record, we just don't make silly demands first up, and the initial offer always eventuates +/- face saving steak knives adjustments.

It'll be pick 14 or a second round pick plus an "untouchable", otherwise a deal with another club.

Going to be an entertaining trade week. We're going to do well out of it. It's great having Greg Swan and co in our corner at times like this.