Jaeger O'Meara

[Fetnarr]

So you guys now blaming Gold Coast medics for Omearas plight

Not us guys, just me! I'm a Physio and live on the GC. I watch the Suns play semi regularly and want to see them do well for the good of footy in Queensland.

Over the years I have heard whispers about the way they have done things. I have heard about players being unhappy.

What I do know is there has been a large number of players suffering with ongoing chronic issues that should have been rectified.

It was clear as day Ablett was suffering from a frozen shoulder post his reconstruction yet he went out and played with a barely functional arm.

Make of this what you will but due to these rumblings they overhauled their medical and strength and conditioning team 2-3 years ago. Players that have left in the last couple of years include: OMeara, Prestia, Smith, Caddy, Gorringe as well as requests by Ablett for a trade and May putting contract talks on hold. All those guys bar Ablett are young guys in their prime.

The new guys that are now running the medical and strength and conditioning side of the things are apparently fantastic so it looks as though they have turned the corner there unfortunately it might have been a bit late to retain Jaeger.

My gut feel, and it is purely that's, is that it was the management of his injury that predominantly lead Jaeger to request a trade. I don't think the Hawks won him over by claiming a miracle cure for him but I do know that the guys there a very professional as they would be at the Bombers, Dogs, Cats, Saints etc. I don't think the Suns were quite up to standard there for a while but hopefully that's been addressed now.

Like I said that's just my gut feel based on looking at some incidents and hearing a few rumors.

 

[DemonZombie_001]

I'd be pretty happy if Melbourne did the trade and he performed like that

I would be as well initially, but at this stage it is a red flag to me that other teams are not tagging the crap out of him. And that when the trade happened quite a few Sydney supporters felt it was better he went than several other players they have.

I also find it hard to watch him without thinking of the other Mitchell, which is unfair. So perhaps that is impacting my judgement as well.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Could very well apply this to Essendon, just on a muuuuuuuuuch larger scale.

Just the point.

It's only Essendon supporters that do this, apparently.

What a laugh. All supporters are exactly the same. It's not a rational pursuit.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

There was more than a hint of desperation and even stubbornness in the deal. Clarko doesn't like to get beaten, and on this occasion Tony Cochrane called his bluff and probably won.

That said, we will be in the finals wilderness for a couple of years, but the wilderness is where all Gold Coast sporting teams live their whole 'lives' so we'll be right

Wow, those tears sure are extra salty.
You were a power on the back of bottoming out and good drafting and player development.
You won't be seen in September for a while with no draft picks

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Could very well apply this to Essendon, just on a muuuuuuuuuch larger scale.

indeed. That's why we're such experts spotting it now.

I must admit, I get a wry smile when I see the very same posters who so sagely and insistently told us that we were fools for wanting to believe the club's message or for wanting to believe the best about the club, irrespective of the facts staring you in the face, now doing precisely the same thing, and being utterly incapable - or perhaps just not wanting - to recognise it.

I also chuckle quietly to myself when Hawthorn posters insist that all they want is the opportunity to see how it pans out before passing judgement. Let it play out, they cry! We only want the opportunity to judge a situation on the facts of the matter at the appropriate time! Strangely though, it's only very recently that many of them believe that is a privilege that should be afforded.

It's one of life's great truths: the wheel of life is constantly turning, and it's an eternal truth worth remembering eternally

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Not us guys, just me! I'm a Physio and live on the GC. I watch the Suns play semi regularly and want to see them do well for the good of footy in Queensland.

Over the years I have heard whispers about the way they have done things. I have heard about players being unhappy.

What I do know is there has been a large number of players suffering with ongoing chronic issues that should have been rectified.

It was clear as day Ablett was suffering from a frozen shoulder post his reconstruction yet he went out and played with a barely functional arm.

Make of this what you will but due to these rumblings they overhauled their medical and strength and conditioning team 2-3 years ago. Players that have left in the last couple of years include: OMeara, Prestia, Smith, Caddy, Gorringe as well as requests by Ablett for a trade and May putting contract talks on hold. All those guys bar Ablett are young guys in their prime.

The new guys that are now running the medical and strength and conditioning side of the things are apparently fantastic so it looks as though they have turned the corner there unfortunately it might have been a bit late to retain Jaeger.

My gut feel, and it is purely that's, is that it was the management of his injury that predominantly lead Jaeger to request a trade. I don't think the Hawks won him over by claiming a miracle cure for him but I do know that the guys there a very professional as they would be at the Bombers, Dogs, Cats, Saints etc. I don't think the Suns were quite up to standard there for a while but hopefully that's been addressed now.

Like I said that's just my gut feel based on looking at some incidents and hearing a few rumors.

Which hat are you wearing today? A so called medico or a bitter Hawthorn fan. They seem to blend in. You are guessing, listening to Chinese whispers or 'gut feel'.
You then introduce Caddy being homesick, Gorringe delisted, Smith for greater opportunities and May who has contract talks on hold. These players weren't injured or improperly managed medically. What a very poor post

 

[Fetnarr]

Why are you so certain his knee was mismanaged at Gold Coast?

He was sent overseas for surgery, at some considerable cost. He returned, was rehabbing for some time before returning to football managed, through NEAFL. Unfortunately after a few games broke down again.

He has moved clubs, rehabbing, returned to football managed, via preseason games to AFL appearances. Unfortunately after a few games he broke down again.

One of the hardest things he is facing is that his treatment at Gold Coast may not have been the issue, which is starting to look concerningly chronic. Hawthorns medical team may well be very good but they have so far only really managed what Gold Coast's did for Jaegar which was an attempt to get him back to AFL which has been set back. Again.

I'm not certain. Like I said "it appears his injury has been mismanaged". Tendons as a general rule don't respond well to surgery. They need to get stronger and just because you spend a lot of money sending someone to a guru overseas doesn't mean it's the best decision for the player. While I assume he did substantial rehabilitation to his knee I just wonder whether it could have been done better. I don't think the medical team and conditioning team there for a couple of years where at the same standard as the other AFL clubs although it appears they have rectified that in the last 2-3 years. You do know they overhauled that entire department 2 years ago? There is a history of players taking much longer to recover from injuries than they should at that club. The best visual example I can give of an injury being mismanaged is watching Ablett run around for 4 weeks with a frozen shoulder after his reco.

 

[Fetnarr]

Which hat are you wearing today? A so called medico or a bitter Hawthorn fan. They seem to blend in. You are guessing, listening to Chinese whispers or 'gut feel'.
You then introduce Caddy being homesick, Gorringe delisted, Smith for greater opportunities and May who has contract talks on hold. These players weren't injured or improperly managed medically. What a very poor post

I made it clear that those guys simply left the club I didn't say for medical reasons. I'm not bitter either. Do you ever wonder why Gorringe and Smith never reached their potential?
Just wondering what your thoughts are on the overhauling of the medical department and strength and conditioning team was all about?

I actually want the Suns to do well, and it appears they are on a better path now. I just think for those couple of years things could have been done better.

 

[GuzzLG]

He was a free agent. You shouldn't even have got that. Compensation is bullshit

Shouldn't even have been able to draft Franklin in the first place. Priority picks are bullshit.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Shouldn't even have been able to draft Franklin in the first place. Priority picks are bullshit.

good point.

And colour me surprised when, after Carlton, Melbourne, Hawthorn and Collingwood all got their snouts into the PP trough, the year that EFC qualified was the year they took them away. Apparently we would have picked Gumbleton and Selwood

 

[GuzzLG]

good point.

And colour me surprised when, after Carlton, Melbourne, Hawthorn and Collingwood all got their snouts into the PP trough, the year that EFC qualified was the year they took them away. Apparently we would have picked Gumbleton and Selwood.

Correct. And Geelong only got Selwood because they didn't have to match bids for Hawkins (who they got in the third round) who would most certainly would have been bid on before their Selwood pick.

This was such a rort that the AFL stopped it the following year where the first team who had to match a father-son bid was of course Essendon with Darcy Daniher.

Geelong just benefiting from another accident of history?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Geelong just benefiting from another accident of history?

oh most definitely. Hawkins, Scarlett, Ablett; and the players like Selwood they could in turn get as you so rightly point out. Funny that, the two most dominant teams of the past decade, and you can point to specific, obvious and potent accidents of history

 

[SandyToes]

Not us guys, just me! I'm a Physio and live on the GC. I watch the Suns play semi regularly and want to see them do well for the good of footy in Queensland.

Over the years I have heard whispers about the way they have done things. I have heard about players being unhappy.

What I do know is there has been a large number of players suffering with ongoing chronic issues that should have been rectified.

It was clear as day Ablett was suffering from a frozen shoulder post his reconstruction yet he went out and played with a barely functional arm.

Make of this what you will but due to these rumblings they overhauled their medical and strength and conditioning team 2-3 years ago. Players that have left in the last couple of years include: OMeara, Prestia, Smith, Caddy, Gorringe as well as requests by Ablett for a trade and May putting contract talks on hold. All those guys bar Ablett are young guys in their prime.

The new guys that are now running the medical and strength and conditioning side of the things are apparently fantastic so it looks as though they have turned the corner there unfortunately it might have been a bit late to retain Jaeger.

My gut feel, and it is purely that's, is that it was the management of his injury that predominantly lead Jaeger to request a trade. I don't think the Hawks won him over by claiming a miracle cure for him but I do know that the guys there a very professional as they would be at the Bombers, Dogs, Cats, Saints etc. I don't think the Suns were quite up to standard there for a while but hopefully that's been addressed now.

Like I said that's just my gut feel based on looking at some incidents and hearing a few rumors.

Your gut feeling is just diarrhoea- it's spilling over from your keyboard
At best you're a suburban physio (maybe) probably thumping chests in a nursing home(more likely you're a massage guy ) while the Club's physio Alex Rigby is getting major props from the entire Club and team for his work
And yet you spread falsehoods lies and "rumours" about the quality of his and his father's care at the Club
What a disgrace you are.A malicious disgrace.Shame on you
The quality of medical care was a blatant ruse by O'Meara- he couldn't have got better
To think Hawthorn has better medical staff is idiotic in this day and age in Australia
I guess it's the old adage"I've got the best surgeon......doctor...."
Guess what.You haven't.

And did you really list Gorringe as leaving in his prime?
The guy was delisted.Couldn't even get a game for us when we were down to 24 listed players

 

[Big Bruce]

Can understand everyone not wanting to see the Hawks do well, we have had a great run over the last 10 years.
Can also see a difference in hoping the hawks rot at the bottom of the ladder and JOM being ok. They can be two different things, footy is about that.
Did we pay too much, yeah I think we probably did. BUT IF he comes good it's not all doom and gloom for us as it's his position on ground that is killing us so badly. We need him and another gun to come in next season to go with Mitch. Kids like O'Rouke and Lovell to get a run at it would be handy.
Anyway happy for the club to be bold it's worked over the last 8 years.
If we had as little success as most other clubs it might be a different story.
So keep digging the boots in I say, I'd probably do the same thing

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

I made it clear that those guys simply left the club I didn't say for medical reasons. I'm not bitter either. Do you ever wonder why Gorringe and Smith never reached their potential?
Just wondering what your thoughts are on the overhauling of the medical department and strength and conditioning team was all about?

I actually want the Suns to do well, and it appears they are on a better path now. I just think for those couple of years things could have been done better.

Your post was specifically aimed towards the Sun's mismanagement of their players in a medical sense. You then say "large number of players suffering with ongoing chronic issues that should have been rectified".
What do you call a large number? Who are these players and what were their injuries? You then mention players that left who aren't or weren't injured.
Just after some clarification on the large number of players.

 

[Fetnarr]

Your gut feeling is just diarrhoea- it's spilling over from your keyboard
At best you're a suburban physio (maybe) probably thumping chests in a nursing home(more likely you're a massage guy ) while the Club's physio Alex Rigby is getting major props from the entire Club and team for his work
And yet you spread falsehoods lies and "rumours" about the quality of his and his father's care at the Club
What a disgrace you are.A malicious disgrace.Shame on you
The quality of medical care was a blatant ruse by O'Meara- he couldn't have got better
To think Hawthorn has better medical staff is idiotic in this day and age in Australia
I guess it's the old adage"I've got the best surgeon......doctor...."
Guess what.You haven't.

And did you really list Gorringe as leaving in his prime?
The guy was delisted.Couldn't even get a game for us when we were down to 24 listed players

I know Alex and his father both fantastic people and doing a great job at the club. I said it was the medical team in general including the strength and conditioning side of things from a couple of years ago that just weren't quite up to scratch. I'm sure individually they are all great but for whatever reason it wasn't quite working hence the overhaul.

I didn't name anyone. What I do know and have said before the club appears to be in a much better position now.

 

[SandyToes]

I will just say that I have posted since 2009 regarding the Club's initial policy of playing as many 18yo's as possible
I likened it to racing 2yo horses
For every race winner 10 become dogmeat
My grandfather was a pretty well known horse trainer and refused to race 2yo's because of the damage it inflicted
I have no doubt the undue strain of basically sending a TAC Cup team( + Gary Ablett )out against the other mature lists contributed to the chronic injuries we've seen in our young players.
Prestia O'Meara Swallow McKenzie Thompson all have been victims IMO
It was stupid at that time and as a Club we're still paying for it

 

[andrewb]

I will just say that I have posted since 2009 regarding the Club's initial policy of playing as many 18yo's as possible
I likened it to racing 2yo horses
For every race winner 10 become dogmeat
My grandfather was a pretty well known horse trainer and refused to race 2yo's because of the damage it inflicted
I have no doubt the undue strain of basically sending a TAC Cup team( + Gary Ablett )out against the other mature lists contributed to the chronic injuries we've seen in our young players.
Prestia O'Meara Swallow McKenzie Thompson all have been victims IMO
It was stupid at that time and as a Club we're still paying for it

Worked for GWS though?

Maybe the difference was the campus that GWS had for its players.

Or.. maybe it was the Jack the Rippers and drug scene on the Gold Coast.

 

[Fetnarr]

I will just say that I have posted since 2009 regarding the Club's initial policy of playing as many 18yo's as possible
I likened it to racing 2yo horses
For every race winner 10 become dogmeat
My grandfather was a pretty well known horse trainer and refused to race 2yo's because of the damage it inflicted
I have no doubt the undue strain of basically sending a TAC Cup team( + Gary Ablett )out against the other mature lists contributed to the chronic injuries we've seen in our young players.
Prestia O'Meara Swallow McKenzie Thompson all have been victims IMO
It was stupid at that time and as a Club we're still paying for it

I agree with that. The club looks to have turned the corner now which is fantastic for footy on the GC.

 

[Fetnarr]

Worked for GWS though?

Maybe the difference was the campus that GWS had for its players.

Or.. maybe it was the Jack the Rippers and drug scene on the Gold Coast.

GWS tended to go for more mature big bodied players in the first year or so. Maybe that helped a little

 

[Pessimistic]

indeed. That's why we're such experts spotting it now.

I must admit, I get a wry smile when I see the very same posters who so sagely and insistently told us that we were fools for wanting to believe the club's message or for wanting to believe the best about the club, irrespective of the facts staring you in the face, now doing precisely the same thing, and being utterly incapable - or perhaps just not wanting - to recognise it.

I also chuckle quietly to myself when Hawthorn posters insist that all they want is the opportunity to see how it pans out before passing judgement. Let it play out, they cry! We only want the opportunity to judge a situation on the facts of the matter at the appropriate time! Strangely though, it's only very recently that many of them believe that is a privilege that should be afforded.

It's one of life's great truths: the wheel of life is constantly turning, and it's an eternal truth worth remembering eternally

I don't see Hawks spending multi million dollars so dons see the corellation . Even in the worst jaeger scenario

 

[Aeglos]

GWS tended to go for more mature big bodied players in the first year or so. Maybe that helped a little

Perhaps.
Their (GWS) kids all looked like they had AFL bodies when they did play though which was in contrast to GC.

 

[Sando22]

Bloody shame to see such a good footballer brought down by an injury such as this.
Could have been anything but sounds like he's in a fair bit of strife and the Hawks have pulled the wrong rein

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Worked for GWS though?

Maybe the difference was the campus that GWS had for its players.

Or.. maybe it was the Jack the Rippers and drug scene on the Gold Coast.

GWS would be the same if the team was a failure onfield like the Suns.

They're not because they developed their kids through brilliant mature recruiting to bring them along: they got leaders, hard workers and good citizens, unlike the Gold Coast who got none of that in their mature recruits.

 

[chiwigi]

Wow, those tears sure are extra salty.
You were a power on the back of bottoming out and good drafting and player development.
You won't be seen in September for a while with no draft picks

And priority picks just before they were abandoned at just before the new clubs came in.

Hawthorn did very well, but were in the wrong place at the right time to do so.