Traded Jake Stringer [traded to Essendon]

[Snake_Baker]

Roos get Stringer, pick 9 and we get 4 and 21 and possibly a small set of steak knives..

Why would we take a spec midfielder and lose our 2nd round pick, when we could draft a dyed in the wool midfielder and keep pick 21?

Haven't you been reading the papers? We're offering multi million dollar deals for top shelf midfield certainties. All North trades should be framed around the fact we need certainties for the midfield.

I'd rather draft LDU/Cerra/Dow with pick 4, Worpel with pick 21, bank this years coin, then come back next year and take Liberatore off you for nothing.

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

So who doubts those rumors now?

 

[Zephiisdaman]

Quick question, aside from the broken leg thing, which I don't see as much of an excuse now. why doesn't he play more midfield minutes at the dogs??

Think Bevo likes grunt type midfielders. Stringer goes in now and then as a burst type player. Probably should have played there more often to be honest as our midfield is a bit one paced at times but that's another discussion.
Could be questioned on his endurance although he seemed to work heavily on that aspect with Lachy Hunter in preseason.
As a midfielder if his endurance improves, the sky is the limit. You will never get massive defensive tackle counts but his offensive potential is enormous.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Why would we take a spec midfielder and lose our 2nd round pick, when we could draft a dyed in the wool midfielder and keep pick 21?

Haven't you been reading the papers? We're offering multi million dollar deals for top shelf midfield certainties. All North trades should be framed around the fact we need certainties for the midfield.

I'd rather draft a kid, bank this years coin, then come back next year and take Liberatore off you for nothing.

And one of those mids has rejected you, the other is still up in the air and would cost you two first round picks. Stringer costs you a first pick downgrade and a second.

I'm not here to sell him to you, North can do what they like. I'm just putting forward what I'd see as fair compo for him.

 

[UpTheTigs]

Maybe ask Dusty to take a pay cut so you can afford him

This just in: Earths salt levels fluctuate dramatically after North supporters visit to Big Footy forum.

 

[Crow till I die]

possible multi club trade...
Lever to melbourne and melbourne give the crows their second round pick.
Melbourne give their first round pick to Western bulldogs (in lieu of handing it to Adelaide as part of the lever trade)
Western Bulldogs give Stringer to Carlton after getting Melbourne's 1st round pick (Stringer won't leave Victoria for family reasons you would think)
Carlton give Gibbs to the crows.

Therefore Melbourne + Lever, - 1st and second round picks
Bulldogs + melbourne's 1st round pick, - Stringer
Carlton + Stringer, - Gibbs
Crows + Gibbs & Melbourne's second round pick, - Lever

From the trade, Crows get fair value for Lever, Bulldogs get a 1st round pick for a player that looks like he wants to leave and has some outside issues, Carlton lose a good player but gain a good player who will help them up forward and Melbourne get one of the best young defenders in the game with plenty of upside for their 1st and second round picks (rather than possible 2 1st round picks or a 1st round pick + a decent player which has been discussed at length on this forum). I don't think that works out too badly for all parties...thoughts?

 

[Snake_Baker]

And one of those mids has rejected you, the other is still up in the air and would cost you two first round picks. Stringer costs you a first pick downgrade and a second.

I'm not here to sell him to you, North can do what they like. I'm just putting forward what I'd see as fair compo for him.

From a Bulldogs perspective.

In reality, North needs midfielders. Proper midfielders.

I doubt we'll have anything to do with the Dogs until next year when Dalhaus & Libba come out of contract.

 

[MisterMarcus]

possible multi club trade...
Lever to melbourne and melbourne give the crows their second round pick.
Melbourne give their first round pick to Western bulldogs (in lieu of handing it to Adelaide as part of the lever trade)
Western Bulldogs give Stringer to Carlton after getting Melbourne's 1st round pick (Stringer won't leave Victoria for family reasons you would think)
Carlton give Gibbs to the crows.

Therefore Melbourne + Lever, - 1st and second round picks
Bulldogs + melbourne's 1st round pick, - Stringer
Carlton + Stringer, - Gibbs
Crows + Gibbs & Melbourne's second round pick, - Lever

From the trade, Crows get fair value for Lever, Bulldogs get a 1st round pick for a player that looks like he wants to leave and has some outside issues, Carlton lose a good player but gain a good player who will help them up forward and Melbourne get one of the best young defenders in the game with plenty of upside for their 1st and second round picks (rather than possible 2 1st round picks or a 1st round pick + a decent player which has been discussed at length on this forum). I don't think that works out too badly for all parties...thoughts?

Adelaide getting way overs there, and Carlton are getting a right royal reaming.

 

[Crow till I die]

Adelaide getting way overs there, and Carlton are getting a right royal reaming.

I disagree with way overs - a 1st and second round pick is fair and has certainly been mentioned by a number of others (all fans comments here only - I have no idea what the clubs actually think). Stringer has been down on form but if it can be recaptured he is All Australian quality and would very much fill a void at Carlton for the x factor forward he is.. He is also a number of years younger than Gibbs so better fits Carlton's age profile..anyway, we agree to disagree

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

From a Bulldogs perspective.

In reality, North needs midfielders. Proper midfielders.

I doubt we'll have anything to do with the Dogs until next year when Dalhaus & Libba come out of contract.

I get your point and that's a fair one, you need some class and x-factor and at pick 9, it doesn't sound like it's there this year. We need a classy ball using mid. Sounds like after pick 5, that's gone.

With next years draft the way it is, possibly could look at next years picks. It's risky but if North like Jake, and he's happy to go maybe that gets explored. With Brown and Wood up and going and Jake taking 2nd-3rd defender he'd improve. Can also spend some time in the guts for short periods.

Another year into Simpkin, get Ahern back from ACL and add a top 4 pick and Stringer and the Roos would be confident of a much better year. Would mean giving up a (likely) top 10 pick in what some see as a very impressive draft.

 

[Big Fresh]

Essendon could jump in with our first pick. (11+ depending on finals).

Would not be relied upon to do it all at Essendon due to us having a forward line. He would also be able to push up into the middle for bursts.

If he were traded to Essendon, I'd hope they develop him as a midfielder primarily.

 

[UpTheTigs]

Brett Anderson said he's worth a top 6 pick, Plough said he's worth a high end first round pick.

If we don't see an offer under pick 10, I'd hope that we keep him. Actually I hope that we keep him regardless.

What dogs need probably isn't around at pick 9 in the draft. As a dogs fan, I'm hoping Pies, Roos and Blues get involved. We need a top 6 pick.

So my preference would be something like

Pies get Stringer, we get 6 straight swap

Blues get Stringer, pick 9 and we get pick 3 and the Adelaide pick for Gibbs

Roos get Stringer, pick 9 and we get 4 and 21 and possibly a small set of steak knives.

If Richmond wanted him then I'd want their first, and Geelong's which they have - let's say pick 14 and 15 for arguments sake and we'd send them our second in return.

It would be #15 + #16 for Jake Stringer + #26.

Can't see you guys taking that.

 

[DesertRoo]

Think Bevo likes grunt type midfielders. Stringer goes in now and then as a burst type player. Probably should have played there more often to be honest as our midfield is a bit one paced at times but that's another discussion.
Could be questioned on his endurance although he seemed to work heavily on that aspect with Lachy Hunter in preseason.
As a midfielder if his endurance improves, the sky is the limit. You will never get massive defensive tackle counts but his offensive potential is enormous.

Do you think he'd benefit from another environment??
Personally I think st kilda would be a great fit for him. Just can't see us going all in to get stringer.

 

[The 747]

I disagree with way overs - a 1st and second round pick is fair and has certainly been mentioned by a number of others (all fans comments here only - I have no idea what the clubs actually think). Stringer has been down on form but if it can be recaptured he is All Australian quality and would very much fill a void at Carlton for the x factor forward he is.. He is also a number of years younger than Gibbs so better fits Carlton's age profile..anyway, we agree to disagree

Lever is not worth more than Stringer sorry. And Carlton need a lot of things before they need a Stringer.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

It would be #15 + #16 for Jake Stringer + #26.

Can't see you guys taking that.

Not sure to be honest but I think that's right in the ballpark. I'd hope that we could package those picks and move up the draft though. Surely with 9,15,16 we could land a top 6 pick somehow.

 

[iBeng]

Straight swap for Schache.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Lever is not worth more than Stringer sorry. And Carlton need a lot of things before they need a Stringer.

I actually thought he was. His form hasn't dipped whereas Stringer's has. However Stringer is contracted so maybe that alters things a bit. All year I've heard talk about Lever being worth 1st and second, 2 1sts and a second going back etc.

Stringer valuations are all over the shop. Dogs fans will want a top 5 pick in a pretty ordinary draft because he's probably better than nearly anyone that will come out of this draft. Others say he's overrated and their club shouldn't offer more than a second round pick.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Straight swap for Schache.

He won't go to Brisbane. Even if he did, I'd want, well, not Schache.

 

[UpTheTigs]

Not sure to be honest but I think that's right in the ballpark. I'd hope that we could package those picks and move up the draft though. Surely with 9,15,16 we could land a top 6 pick somehow.

Depends who you want in the upcoming draft, as well as how the Top 6 or so teams value the talent up that end.

I could see St Kilda trading one of their picks (#7 and #8) to gather multiple later 1st Rd picks.

It's not a great draft after about #10, though, so who knows.

 

[Crow till I die]

Lever is not worth more than Stringer sorry. And Carlton need a lot of things before they need a Stringer.

Lever not worth more than stringer...Lever was in the AA squad this season and stringer has been down on form for 18 months. Lever is younger. Bulldog supporters are suggesting a 1st round pick for Stringer no higher than 10 (ie between 1 & 10) would be around the mark. Most commentary has Lever being worth a 1st round pick and extra on top. Re carlton and Stringer, maybe they do have other priorities, but if they lose gibbs it would be likely for a 1st round pick and if Stringer is worth a 1st round pick, then it appears to be not unreasonable in value terms - apart from that you may be right that carlton do have other priorities.

 

[james Dean]

possible multi club trade...
Lever to melbourne and melbourne give the crows their second round pick.
Melbourne give their first round pick to Western bulldogs (in lieu of handing it to Adelaide as part of the lever trade)
Western Bulldogs give Stringer to Carlton after getting Melbourne's 1st round pick (Stringer won't leave Victoria for family reasons you would think)
Carlton give Gibbs to the crows.

Therefore Melbourne + Lever, - 1st and second round picks
Bulldogs + melbourne's 1st round pick, - Stringer
Carlton + Stringer, - Gibbs
Crows + Gibbs & Melbourne's second round pick, - Lever

From the trade, Crows get fair value for Lever, Bulldogs get a 1st round pick for a player that looks like he wants to leave and has some outside issues, Carlton lose a good player but gain a good player who will help them up forward and Melbourne get one of the best young defenders in the game with plenty of upside for their 1st and second round picks (rather than possible 2 1st round picks or a 1st round pick + a decent player which has been discussed at length on this forum). I don't think that works out too badly for all parties...thoughts?

Not the worst convoluted trade that BigFooty has ever come up with, however I think Carlton are the losers here while the other 3 end up pretty well off. Maybe include Ade's 2nd rounder

 

[MisterMarcus]

I disagree with way overs - a 1st and second round pick is fair and has certainly been mentioned by a number of others (all fans comments here only - I have no idea what the clubs actually think). Stringer has been down on form but if it can be recaptured he is All Australian quality and would very much fill a void at Carlton for the x factor forward he is.. He is also a number of years younger than Gibbs so better fits Carlton's age profile..anyway, we agree to disagree

Yeah, Adelaide get Gibbs AND a pick for Lever......and you say that's not massive overs?

 

[Crow till I die]

Yeah, Adelaide get Gibbs AND a pick for Lever......and you say that's not massive overs?

are you for real..Lever is 21 and was in the AA squad this year and has a massive upside. Gibbs will be 29, is at his peak and has 2 or 3 good years left. Of course it is not way overs to expect a better deal for Lever than for Gibbs

 

[Snake_Baker]

Surely Bryce freakin' Gibbs hasn't hijacked ANOTHER trade thread?!

 

[Go Woods]

He won't go to Brisbane. Even if he did, I'd want, well, not Schache.

Was made clear this morning, Stringer will not entertain any move interstate, if he leaves due to family. Melbourne clubs only if traded.