Traded Jake Stringer [traded to Essendon]

[Deep]

How many years in a row can Geelong trade their first round pick before being penalized haven't they traded away their last 3 first round picks

We can do it next year but the rule doesn't take place til 2019

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think you'd have to offer extra because there's some chance your first ends up being higher in 2018.

I think that depends if they are planning to keep it or on trade it. If they are keeping it they will want good extra picks or players on top of that in case we finish top 4, if they are planning to on trade it then they don't care so much (2018 picks will have good currency in on trades as clubs will want picks in a strong draft next year).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

How many years in a row can Geelong trade their first round pick before being penalized haven't they traded away their last 3 first round picks

The rule doesn't apply until 2019 so we can trade our 2018 1st and probably will regardless of whether we get stringer or not (not for ablett though).

 

[perplexed]

But

Stringer still contracted. So the club can play hardball if they decide to. Carlisle used the drug scenario out clause I think

It won't be WB playing hardball, they are the ones trying to offload him. If they want a decent pick for him I expect they will still have to pay most of his salary next year.

 

[BPikkers]

It won't be WB playing hardball, they are the ones trying to offload him. If they want a decent pick for him I expect they will still have to pay most of his salary next year.

I don't think so. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if clubs actually offer to pay him more than the $500k he is apparently on.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

It won't be WB playing hardball, they are the ones trying to offload him. If they want a decent pick for him I expect they will still have to pay most of his salary next year.

Bulldogs will probably let him go for a second rounder if the club of destination takes on all of his salary. Better compensation will almost certainly mean the Bulldogs will need continue to pay a part of it.

 

[Damon_3388]

Bulldogs will probably let him go for a second rounder if the club of destination takes on all of his salary. Better compensation will almost certainly mean the Bulldogs will need continue to pay a part of it.

Never understand why a club would agree to trade a player away, but then still pay any part of their salary. Isn't that half the point, to also offload their salary? Or have I just been watching American sports for too long?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Never understand why a club would agree to trade a player away, but then still pay any part of their salary. Isn't that half the point, to also offload their salary? Or have I just been watching American sports for too long?

They're effectively trading salary cap space for a better pick or a better player to come as part of the trade. If the club isn't under salary cap pressure then it isn't a bad idea.

 

[Justlokan]

Never understand why a club would agree to trade a player away, but then still pay any part of their salary. Isn't that half the point, to also offload their salary? Or have I just been watching American sports for too long?

it makes sense if you have cap room, want to get rid of a player, and it helps get a deal over the line. particularly if the receiving club has cap issues.

 

[WWSD]

The best fit for Stringer is actually Geelong. If Menzel leaves as a free agent, Stringer would be an upgrade and would give the Cats a goal kicking half forward who can kick 40+ goals a season.

 

[perplexed]

I don't think so. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if clubs actually offer to pay him more than the $500k he is apparently on.

I fear that sounds like something my team would do.

 

[Snake_Baker]

it makes sense if you have cap room, want to get rid of a player, and it helps get a deal over the line. particularly if the receiving club has cap issues.

There's an elephant in the room named "Ablett" that they first need to overcome.

 

[Damon_3388]

it makes sense if you have cap room, want to get rid of a player, and it helps get a deal over the line. particularly if the receiving club has cap issues.

Then again, most of the players that get traded are, nonsensically, uncontracted, so it's basically "name your price, and we'll see if we have cap room", none of which makes much sense.

I would think matching salaries or cap room for taking on the whole of the player's salary would be an obvious pre-requisite of trading a contracted player.

The entire system the AFL has is arse-about.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

There's an elephant in the room named "Ablett" that they first need to overcome.

If Stringer is available and wants to.come to Geelong Ablett will be a very very very distant second or third priority (not that i think stringer will come to Geelong anyway).

 

[Damon_3388]

If Stringer is available and wants to.come to Geelong Ablett will be a very very very distant second or third priority (not that i think stringer will come to Geelong anyway).

Isn't Stringer basically just a bigger version of Menzel, who is now getting dropped because of workrate and lack of defensive pressure?

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

That's why I think Richmond is the best fit. But Dogs fans would want both those first-rounders at 15 and 16. Richmond would be entitled to offer one of them with steak knives. Picks 15 + 50 is equal to pick 10-11 in points value.

Would be an intriguing fit for Geelong if their other deals fall through and they get something for Motlop and Menzel.

late first round picks ain't gonna cut it for a player like Stringer. Can't see it being any worse than pick 6 or a straight swap for Lever or Kelly

 

[citizen-erased]

late first round picks ain't gonna cut it for a player like Stringer. Can't see it being any worse than pick 6 or a straight swap for Lever or Kelly

straight swap for Kelly isn't gonna happen.
id be surprised if he agreed to go interstate, and really isn't a pressing need for Adelaide.

Collingwood would probably give up 6.
Carlton would probably give up 3 (and maybe expect your 2nd in return)

 

[Hamingja]

The best fit for Stringer is actually Geelong. If Menzel leaves as a free agent, Stringer would be an upgrade and would give the Cats a goal kicking half forward who can kick 40+ goals a season.

Sure it is a good fit but what have we got to trade that will satisfy the dogs. If we are talking future first round picks it would likely be a pick in the teens. Dogs might get lucky like the Saints if the Cats fell like the Hawks but I doubt they would factor that in, they would expect it to be a first round pick from a team making finals and I can't possibly see that being enough.

 

[Unique Name]

late first round picks ain't gonna cut it for a player like Stringer. Can't see it being any worse than pick 6 or a straight swap for Lever or Kelly

Doubtful you get a top10 pick if he's being pushed out the door.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Isn't Stringer basically just a bigger version of Menzel, who is now getting dropped because of workrate and lack of defensive pressure?

No Stringer has both the ability to play as a high forward and through the midfield that menzel doesn't and the Geelong coaches love versatility.

Menzel got dropped not for lack of tackles on its own but because his defensive pressure is poor AND he can't play any position except forward pocket. If he could play a second position well he would still stay in despite the defensive issues (same as motlop keeps getting picked for this reason and the same would apply to stringer).

In saying all of that i think stringer won't come to Geelong but Menzel's not a great comparison.

 

[Damon_3388]

No Stringer has both the ability to play as a high forward and through the midfield that menzel doesn't and the Geelong coaches love versatility.

Menzel got dropped not for lack of tackles on its own but because his defensuve pressure is poor AND he can't play any position except foward pocket. If he could play a second position well he would still stay in despite the defensive issues (same as motlop keeps getting picked for this reason and the same would apply to stringer).

In saying all of that i think stringer won't come to Geelong but Menzel's not a great comparison.

Fair enough, but I think Stringer's ability to play in the midfield is severely overrated and overstated as well.

 

[zyzzbruh]

They're effectively trading salary cap space for a better pick or a better player to come as part of the trade. If the club isn't under salary cap pressure then it isn't a bad idea.

I still don't get it. If a player is traded isn't their contract scrapped, thus a new deal is reached between the player and destination club?
Been following the afl for over 25 years and this year is the first time I'm hearing all about this paying salaries out bs.
If a player on big money is offered for trade because of low output, then don't they have to cop whatever negotiated offer comes their way from the other club?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

late first round picks ain't gonna cut it for a player like Stringer.

Then you should keep him, which is awkward given the club seems to be the one that instigated the trade talk.

Can't see it being any worse than pick 6 or a straight swap for Lever or Kelly

That's obviously unrealistic. I'm not sure how you think such a deal would get done.

Like I said, the Dogs should keep him if that's the asking price, because that kind of offer isn't coming along. But the question then is whether the relationship is repairable. It may well be once the dust settles and the Dogs consider the offers.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Isn't Stringer basically just a bigger version of Menzel, who is now getting dropped because of workrate and lack of defensive pressure?

I see him as a quicker, tougher version of Wingard with a sprinkling of Dusty Martin don't argue ability

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Then you should keep him, which is awkward given the club seems to be the one that instigated the trade talk.

That's obviously unrealistic. I'm not sure how you think such a deal would get done.

Like I said, the Dogs should keep him if that's the asking price, because that kind of offer isn't coming along. But the question then is whether the relationship is repairable. It may well be once the dust settles and the Dogs consider the offers.

opinions are like arseholes... everyone has one
The general consensus from a lot of media is it's a low first round pick. I think what Stringer has shown so far is that he was worth pick 5 which is where we drafted him. Getting pick 5 in a trade seems very fair and realistic as he has lived up to the hype.
The more I think of this though the more I think it's Bevo putting a rocket up him to get him motivated. Kind of like what happened with Steve Johnson and Geelong 10 years ago.
Time will tell and hopefully we come out of it a winner.