Traded Jake Stringer [traded to Essendon]

[Bombfire]

If he does stay good luck to him, he's still a kid hopefully he can turn his life around way more important than who he plays for.

Yes it is, however he stands a far better chance of turning his life around with a club that wants to give him another genuine shot at it. It is understood the Western Bulldogs have run out of forgiveness for Jake, hence the basis for which he was placed on the market.

 

[Rookie]

ENTER ST KILDA

If this happened I wouldn't have to hate all of the actually kinda funny, sometimes reasonable and occasionally sorta witty Essendon campaigners on this thread come 2pm tomorrow. Instead we could unite and roundly dump on St Kilda.

PLEASE LET IT BE SO.

 

[bennyg12]

Mo Daniher just won at the greyhounds paid $6.10 ...good omen maybe

 

[Sweet Jesus]

So it may transpire that, in order:

1) Dogs confirm Stringer is on the table. It becomes clear the relationship has soured and Stringer is basically gone.
2) Dogs want a first-round pick - in the top 10 even - in exchange.
3) Stringer wants Essendon, who put pick 11 on the table, albeit with the Dogs' second-rounder coming back the other way.
4) Dogs refuse that deal, and Essendon then trade out pick 11 for Smith.
5) Dogs then dig in their heels, refusing to accept picks 25 and 30.
6) Dogs wait until the final day, and then accept picks 25 and 30.

Is that a fair summation? If so, someone at the Dogs should be looking for a new job.

What possible benefit was there in having this play out so publicly? All they did was devalue their player. And then, once Stringer nominated his preferred club, they missed the chance to add pick 11, even though the deal wasn't optimal, leaving them a choice between two second-rounders or a massive backflip to retain Stringer.

Not content having shat in one of their shoes, they went ahead and shat in the other one too.

Seriously, this is vintage Fremantle territory. Their only hope is that they can tempt some other dumber club with some magic beans. Enter West Coast.

 

[Bombfire]

So it may transpire that, in order:

1) Dogs confirm Stringer is on the table. It becomes clear the relationship has soured and Stringer is basically gone.
2) Dogs want a first-round pick - in the top 10 even - in exchange.
3) Stringer wants Essendon, who put pick 11 on the table, albeit with the Dogs' second-rounder coming back the other way.
4) Dogs refuse that deal, and Essendon then trade out pick 11 for Smith.
5) Dogs then dig in their heels, refusing to accept picks 25 and 30.
6) Dogs wait until the final day, and then accept picks 25 and 30.

Is that a fair summation? If so, someone at the Dogs should be looking for a new job.

What possible benefit was there in having this play out so publicly? All they did was devalue their player. And then, once Stringer nominated his preferred club, they missed the chance to add pick 11, even though the deal wasn't optimal, leaving them a choice between two second-rounders or a massive backflip to retain Stringer.

Point 3 needs a bit of work- I understand Dodoro threw in some boiled lollies (pick 46) with Pick 11.

 

[Rookie]

So it may transpire that, in order:

1) Dogs confirm Stringer is on the table. It becomes clear the relationship has soured and Stringer is basically gone.
2) Dogs say they will demand a first-round pick - in the top 10 even - in exchange.
3) Stringer wants Essendon, who put pick 11 on the table, albeit with the Dogs' second-rounder coming back the other way.
4) Dogs refuse that deal, and Essendon then trade out pick 11 for Smith.
5) Dogs then dig in their heels, refusing to accept picks 25 and 30.
6) Dogs wait until the final day, and then accept picks 25 and 30.

Is that a fair summation? If so, someone at the Dogs should be looking for a new job.

I'm not sure if point 4) is entirely accurate. I thought we wavered on 11+47 for 26+JS? and GWS swooped with a crazy offer to get their hands on pick 11. Minor point. Otherwise pretty fair. The fact that JMac's job was already under question throws in a spanner into whether 6) occurs. The guy needs a win, not a humiliation. Never discount pride and ego - not saying JMac comes across as having either, but sometimes it's better to give someone a way out where they save some face to avoid a person feeling spurned and risking them burning everything down to avoid you winning. No idea if that dynamic will come into it.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Point 3 needs a bit of work- I understand Dodoro threw in some boiled lollies (pick 46) with Pick 11.

I'm not sure if point 4) is entirely accurate. I thought we wavered on 11+47 for 26+JS? and GWS swooped with a crazy offer to get their hands on pick 11. Minor point. Otherwise pretty fair.

The important point is that pick 11 was offered and the Dogs turned it down because of the subsequent exchanges involved.

And now it's 25 + 30 or try to keep Stringer.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Getting used to it, champ.

How does it feel to be Dodo'd?

Dodo hasn't earned his Participation certificate yet

 

[GetDimmaBack]

You proofter

Racist.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Thanks for your succinct yet detailed rebuttal to my post. I greatly appreciate your intellectual contribution to this intriguing discussion.

There is zero chance stringer wont go back to the dogs next year given the question marks over his issues he needs to use the next 12 months to show any suitor he can commit to a professional afl lifestyle. If he doesn't do that he is every chance to be out of the league in 12 months and a guy who has kids to support like him will not risk that. He may resent the Bulldogs if he stays and it may cause internal issues but he won't sit out 2018, there is zero chance of a McCarthy situation here and Connors isn't fooling anyone trying to spin otherwise.

 

[Great8]

It would be hard to swallow for Essendon after all this posturing not to get their man

Yep, trade period is a fail for me if we can’t seal the deal. I still think it may get done though

 

[Beerfish]

I honestly expect the Bulldogs to fold.

Whoah I don't think it'll quite come to that.

 

[Great8]

There is zero chance stringer wont go back to the dogs next year given the question marks over his issues he needs to use the next 12 months to show any suitor he can commit to a professional afl lifestyle. If he doesn't do that he is every chance to be out of the league in 12 months and a guy who has kids to support like him will not risk that. He may resent the Bulldogs if he stays and it may cause internal issues but he won't sit out 2018, there is zero chance of a McCarthy situation here and Connors isn't fooling anyone trying to spin otherwise.

I’m sure one of our many sponsors can find a nice cushy job for Jake that pays him $500k a year to sit out of football.
Anyone know a bloke that has connections to a package delivery business

 

[Mutt]

There is zero chance stringer wont go back to the dogs next year given the question marks over his issues he needs to use the next 12 months to show any suitor he can commit to a professional afl lifestyle. If he doesn't do that he is every chance to be out of the league in 12 months and a guy who has kids to support like him will not risk that. He may resent the Bulldogs if he stays and it may cause internal issues but he won't sit out 2018, there is zero chance of a McCarthy situation here and Connors isn't fooling anyone trying to spin otherwise.

Whilst I agree with all you've said, Stringer is probably too toxic for us to want to keep. I'd be very surprised if he isn't traded tomorrow, although the odds of him remaining at the Dogs have certainly increased.

I can't see why we would put a talent such as he is on the open market if we were motivated at all to keep him. I don't think that the picks we get for him will be an impediment to a trade. We hung out for a week or so trying to get a better deal and will probably fail. In the overall scheme of things it's no big deal.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

In theory, what more are the Dogs hoping to get from Essendon?

Picks 25, 30 and what?

 

[HirdyLannister]

They can have our third this year to please them hahaha

 

[Sentinel]

 

[Rookie]

The important point is that pick 11 was offered and the Dogs turned it down because of the subsequent exchanges involved.

And now it's 25 + 30 or try to keep Stringer.

Vintage Freo territory is a bridge too far and you know it. But certainly, 11+46 for 26+JS doesn't look so bad now. We were outplayed by GWS who wanted the premium pick and were happy to pay way overs for it. And I thought the way Dodo set the three clubs up in competition on day one for pick 11 was a piece of genius, knowing GCS and GWS are the two clubs in the competition most willing and able to overpay for it. GCS went straight for the jugular and offered Saad and 19, but GWS trumped them too.

We got pipped and we should have taken 11+47 for 26+JS. Mistake? Likely (pending actual results at 2pm tomorrow). Vintage Freo? Come onnnnn.

 

[BigJoeD_]

There is zero chance stringer wont go back to the dogs next year given the question marks over his issues he needs to use the next 12 months to show any suitor he can commit to a professional afl lifestyle. If he doesn't do that he is every chance to be out of the league in 12 months and a guy who has kids to support like him will not risk that. He may resent the Bulldogs if he stays and it may cause internal issues but he won't sit out 2018, there is zero chance of a McCarthy situation here and Connors isn't fooling anyone trying to spin otherwise.

I feel this view is a little naive.

If the Dogs can't move the two second rounders on offer for a first, someone will blink tomorrow - EFC with their 2018 first rounder, or the Dogs will take the EFC offer as it stands.

Stringer staying at the kennel would be the least likely of any of these options, I'd suggest

 

[DapperJong]

I like how there's no pick 11

 

[Rookie]

They can have our third this year to please them hahaha

How kind you are sir! Except you know a third is useless to us this year so hopefully we can get a future pick added...

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Vintage Freo territory is a bridge too far and you know it. But certainly, 11+46 for 26+JS doesn't look so bad now. We were outplayed by GWS who wanted the premium pick and were happy to pay way overs for it. And I thought the way Dodo set the three clubs up in competition on day one for pick 11 was a piece of genius, knowing GCS and GWS are the two clubs in the competition most willing and able to overpay for it. GCS went straight for the jugular and offered Saad and 19, but GWS trumped them too.

We got pipped and we should have taken 11+47 for 26+JS. Mistake? Likely (pending actual results at 2pm tomorrow). Vintage Freo? Come onnnnn.

The decision to do it all so publicly is the issue. What possible benefit was there in being so open about the intent to trade Stringer?

It devalued the player and made it trickier to take him back in the event no one paid the asking price. Who thought it was a smart way to play it?

These guys get paid to manage situations like this. It's what they do for a living.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

There is zero chance stringer wont go back to the dogs next year given the question marks over his issues he needs to use the next 12 months to show any suitor he can commit to a professional afl lifestyle. If he doesn't do that he is every chance to be out of the league in 12 months and a guy who has kids to support like him will not risk that. He may resent the Bulldogs if he stays and it may cause internal issues but he won't sit out 2018, there is zero chance of a McCarthy situation here and Connors isn't fooling anyone trying to spin otherwise.

I strongly disagree that sitting out next season would prevent him from ever playing AFL again; why would it? Jake hasn't had to sit out of football due to alcoholism or drug use, his off field issues have been at most a distraction for him rather than an actual physical detriment to his playing ability. They seemingly haven't stopped him from performing at AFL level due to the number of games he's played in the last few years with these issues. On top of that, he's an established player with an AA selection and would be one of the best in his age group. His accolades will always land him another gig, maybe for less pay, but there will always be another club who wants him.

There's no certainty he'll sit out but there's also not "zero chance" because he's far less dependent on the Bulldogs than you seem to imply he is. And no, Connors isn't fooling anybody because this literally came from Jake himself. This isn't some spin regardless of what you or the Dogs BigFooty Brigade wish it was; the relationship between player and club has actually deteriorated to the point where both parties have expressed that they want to divorce from one another. Whether or not it will come to that, it's clearly not going to be a healthy and happy relationship if the status quo is maintained, so best for both parties is to do the deal that's been tabled and move on.

What's probably going to happen tomorrow is the deal will be done, primarily involving our two second round picks, and all of this talk will have been for nothing. AFL clubs are far less emotive than the average BigFooty poster and players aren't held to contracts out of spite in the real world.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

In theory, what more are the Dogs hoping to get from Essendon?

Picks 25, 30 and what?

Dogs just going to have to cut their losses unfortunately we lost Hibberd and Ryder for unders it happens sometimes

 

[RandomDents]

So it may transpire that, in order:

1) Dogs confirm Stringer is on the table. It becomes clear the relationship has soured and Stringer is basically gone.
2) Dogs want a first-round pick - in the top 10 even - in exchange.
3) Stringer wants Essendon, who put pick 11 on the table, albeit with the Dogs' second-rounder coming back the other way.
4) Dogs refuse that deal, and Essendon then trade out pick 11 for Smith.
5) Dogs then dig in their heels, refusing to accept picks 25 and 30.
6) Dogs wait until the final day, and then accept picks 25 and 30.

Is that a fair summation? If so, someone at the Dogs should be looking for a new job.

What possible benefit was there in having this play out so publicly? All they did was devalue their player. And then, once Stringer nominated his preferred club, they missed the chance to add pick 11, even though the deal wasn't optimal, leaving them a choice between two second-rounders or a massive backflip to retain Stringer.

Nailed it.

I honestly don't even care at this point, I almost hope it doesn't happen, just because I love chaos and if he stays it will be fun to see play out.

If someone offers more than the Bombers, so be it. If I was Dodo I would be offering 25 on its own.

Gonna be hard to concentrate at work tomorrow, just love how chaotic it all is.