Rumour Jeremy Finlayson under investigation - 3 game suspension

[South of the Yarra]

That is just not true

Have you experienced being belittled and broken by racial comments?

 

[Slackjaw]

Have you experienced being belittled and broken by racial comments?

Yes. In South Africa.

I don't think you can pick and choose which slurs to police. Take them all out

 

[Slackjaw]

As a bald man myself, honestly I just find it pretty ridiculous and laugh it off. It's so, so, so much less historically charged than anything to do with LGBT sexuality or blackness that it's not the same league, it's barely even the same sport.

What if other bald men don't laugh it off?

 

[South of the Yarra]

Yes. In South Africa.

I don't think you can pick and choose which slurs to police. Take them all out

I clearly stated that in a previous post

 

[Slackjaw]

i have seen people be walked off site for less.

it is 100% true.

This type of language does not fly in any type of half decent workplace, even construction sites. If you are working in a place that allows its employees to call each other F****** with zero consequences, than you are working in a s**t hole.

Sacked with no process?

 

[Underarm]

Do we really want to live in a society where an off the cuff remark is so heavily scrutinised. Really this sort of think has just gone way to far.

I'd rather we live in a world where slurs aren't said at all, but this is the world we're stuck with.

 

[Slackjaw]

I clearly stated that in a previous post

I agree.

As a bald man myself, honestly I just find it pretty ridiculous and laugh it off. It's so, so, so much less historically charged than anything to do with LGBT sexuality or blackness that it's not the same league, it's barely even the same sport.

So it's ok to slur about height, weight, looks etc?

 

[Slackjaw]

I'd rather we live in a world where slurs aren't said at all, but this is the world we're stuck with.

Why not call them all out? Then there is no grey area.

 

[Underarm]

What about calling someone a 'bald c@#t'? Is that type of slur ok?

Its never been illegal to be bald.

 

[Billy_01]

2 week ban move on. Finlaysons slur (allegedly) more offensive than Clarksons in a social context IMO so worthy of a bigger penalty.

 

[iameviljez]

What if other bald men don't laugh it off?

That's up to them and how they feel about it, and why.

The reason why there is more tolerance for bald insults in society than for insults based on skin colour or race, is that bald men weren't separated from their families less than 100 years ago, they weren't thrown over cliffs on the outskirts of Sydney in the 70s and bashed by the cops, they aren't kicked out by their parents, they aren't repeatedly discriminated against in job-hunting, they weren't chased down for marrying people with hair, they don't die in police custody at elevated rates.

 

[iameviljez]

So it's ok to slur about height, weight, looks etc?

"OK" is a weird term to use. To be frank, it's never something that is going to get a Tick of Approval but we just kind of roll with it because sledging is seen as being tolerable in professional sport.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Sacked with no process?

Firstly I said walked off site. That doesn't mean you are sacked necessarily. But the subcontractor's employee is removed from site and then told not to come back. Most if not all Principal contractor/subbie agreement stipulates you can be removed from site for certain behavior.

I have requested plenty of subcontractors' employees to be removed from site before whether its drugs, alcohol, language, behavior etc. Not uncommon these days.

Whether the subbie company then sacks the actual employee who was removed from site is up to them. But most employment contracts these days allows for immediate dismissal for this type of behavior. And have heard of plenty of people losing their jobs for this type of stuff.

 

[Slackjaw]

"OK" is a weird term to use. To be frank, it's never something that is going to get a Tick of Approval but we just kind of roll with it because sledging is seen as being tolerable in professional sport.

Why tolerate it? If the AFL is meant to be inclusive, why should any remarks designed to denigrate be accepted?

 

[Slackjaw]

Its never been illegal to be bald.

That doesn't answer the question.

 

[Slackjaw]

Firstly I said walked off site. That doesn't mean you are sacked necessarily. But the subcontractor's employee is removed from site and then told not to come back. Most if not all Principal contractor/subbie agreement stipulates you can be removed from site for certain behavior.

I have requested plenty of subcontractors' employees to be removed from site before whether its drugs, alcohol, language, behavior etc. Not uncommon these days.

Whether the subbie company then sacks the actual employee who was removed from site is up to them. But most employment contracts these days allows for immediate dismissal for this type of behavior. And have heard of plenty of people losing their jobs for this type of stuff.

You're right, you never said sacked. Apologies

 

[HirdsTheWord]

You're right, you never said sacked. Apologies

In a lot of the ones i have been involved in their respective companies do indeed sack them.

Funnily enough business owners dont like their employees being removed off site for behavioural or language issues. It is embarrassing for their company, and it doesn't bode well next time time they submit a tender to win work.

TLDR The world has changed. This crap doesn't fly on construction sites these days let alone an AFL game.

 

[memoryofmchale]

Firstly I said walked off site. That doesn't mean you are sacked necessarily. But the subcontractor's employee is removed from site and then told not to come back. Most if not all Principal contractor/subbie agreement stipulates you can be removed from site for certain behavior.

I have requested plenty of subcontractors' employees to be removed from site before whether its drugs, alcohol, language, behavior etc. Not uncommon these days.

Whether the subbie company then sacks the actual employee who was removed from site is up to them. But most employment contracts these days allows for immediate dismissal for this type of behavior. And have heard of plenty of people losing their jobs for this type of stuff.

In a lot of industries, you won’t be lasting long if you have that type of language.

Some professions could lose their professional registration, too. Eg. Teacher, health care workers, etc.

 

[Gough]

Why tolerate it? If the AFL is meant to be inclusive, why should any remarks designed to denigrate be accepted?

As a bald **** I can assure you I didn't have my head kicked in for my lack of hair. Your comparison is stupid.

 

[Slackjaw]

In a lot of industries, you won’t be lasting long if you have that type of language.

Some professions could lose their professional registration, too. Eg. Teacher, health care workers, etc.

I am in education. A lot of process before you get re-registered.

 

[Slackjaw]

As a bald NTTAWWT I can assure you I didn't have my head kicked in for my lack of hair. Your comparison is stupid.

I disagree that it's stupid. So your stance is it's acceptable to slur based on height, weight, looks etc?

 

[JackFlash]

He admitted it and he's remorseful as he realised what year it is. A slap on the wrist is all that is needed, but the holier than thou Robbos of the world will want him hung, drawn and quarterd. It's a nothing issue, but the media will carry on as if he's murdered someone. Just give him a fine and tell him to wash his mouth out with soap. The AFL would be far better served getting more decisions correct than something like this.

 

[iameviljez]

Why tolerate it? If the AFL is meant to be inclusive, why should any remarks designed to denigrate be accepted?

Are you arguing that we should eliminate any and all sledging?

 

[Slackjaw]

Are you arguing that we should eliminate any and all sledging?

Yes. Why should any form of denigration be accepted?

Have a crack at their performance instead.

 

[memoryofmchale]

Yes. Why should any form of denigration be accepted?

There’s some sledging that’s normal and even players would do it to themselves. The game will never eradicate it but this should be a clear warning to players: there are some lines you don’t cross.