Rumour Jeremy Finlayson under investigation - 3 game suspension

[StopAndDrain]

Ok nowI have finally seen official reports on what was actually said

Players association boss hits out at 'consistently inconsistent' AFL over Finlayson ban for homophobia

Paul Marsh says the AFL has created double standards in its treatment of Jeremy Finlayson compared to Alastair Clarkson after they both made homophobic remarks.

www.abc.net.au

Clarko calls Webster and Howard. - C--k S----ers. = Fine and suspended sentence
JF calls an Essendon player the F word ending in T = 3 weeks

for better or worse thats how the AFL views these incidents

Ok...

One is describing a Oral Sex act which is not exclusive to homosexual male parters , That being said the context probably would have been the same as using the F ending with T word ie using an accusation of homosexuality as an insult. It would intersting if the AFL thinks whether using that sledge be acceptable or fair game in the AFLW? If Clarko had called them Cunning Linguists would that have been deemed an Insult or a expression of endearment. Who TF knows in this day an age.

The other being the. F ending with T word the is a colloquial expression to shame Heterosexual men or devalue men who are are homosexuals and is no longer a term that is socially acceptable regardless of context. fair enough at least the message has been sent out to not use that word flippantly or in jest.


I think the AFL and AFL PA as part of their education and transparency really need to come up with a clear list of terms and expressions that are not acceptable.

There's a huge can of worms to be opened here and this is the only the beginning of the rabbit hole.

 

[SuperMal]

Ok nowI have finally seen official reports on what was actually said

Players association boss hits out at 'consistently inconsistent' AFL over Finlayson ban for homophobia

Paul Marsh says the AFL has created double standards in its treatment of Jeremy Finlayson compared to Alastair Clarkson after they both made homophobic remarks.

www.abc.net.au

Clarko calls Webster and Howard. - C--k S----ers. = Fine and suspended sentence
JF calls an Essendon player the F word ending in T = 3 weeks

for better or worse thats how the AFL views these incidents

Ok...

One is describing a Oral Sex act which is not exclusive to homosexual male parters , That being said the context probably would have been the same as using the F ending with T word ie using an accusation of homosexuality as an insult. It would intersting if the AFL thinks whether using that sledge be acceptable or fair game in the AFLW? If Clarko had called them Cunning Linguists would that have been deemed an Insult or a expression of endearment. Who TF knows in this day an age.

The other being the. F ending with T word the is a colloquial expression to shame Heterosexual men or devalue men who are are homosexuals and is no longer a term that is socially acceptable regardless of context. fair enough at least the message has been sent out to not use that word flippantly or in jest.


I think the AFL and AFL PA as part of their education and transparency really need to come up with a clear list of terms and expressions that are not acceptable.

There's a huge can of worms to be opened here and this is the only the beginning of the rabbit hole.

Ummm ……mods!, mods!, he used the word ‘hole’!

The point I’m making in a rather obtuse way is how far do you go?

 

[yeahmate]

I guess Dire Straits are at long odds to be the GF half time entertainment this year after this

 

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[Del165198]

I know my personality. Hard to explain but, being bullied keeps me keeping myself in line.
And keeps me pushing through hard times.

If it wasn't for that, I'd be soft in life and immature. I'd also be a prick to other people.

You already are a prick if you think bullying is good.

 

[Del165198]

It depends on the degree of situation and environment. Bullying to brutalization.

Yes bullying adversely affects a lot of people, but in my experiences it had a positive affect. I'd be a worse person in a lot of ways if I didn't get bullied at school.

Seems like you're already a pretty awful one.
Maybe if you got bullied harder you'd have developed some empathy towards others and realised bullying isn't a good thing?

 

[Del165198]

Bullying is bullying - it’s psychologically detrimental to any individual - Govts have spent millions trying to reduce its impact in ALL environments.

All on the advice of people infinitely more qualified than you.

Yours is a knucklehead theory.

Worried your kid is too soft? Just bully them mercilessly every day, guaranteed to turn them into tough campaigners (or they kill themselves but who cares). Tune in for more parenting tips by Foxx.

 

[SuperMal]

Worried your kid is too soft? Just bully them mercilessly every day, guaranteed to turn them into tough campaigners (or they kill themselves but who cares). Tune in for more parenting tips by Foxx.

I don’t see his view as quite so black and white - people respond in many ways to bullying - some DO treat it as a learning experience - but I’d suggest there are other ways to learn life lessons.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Haven't read the whole thread, but what about the term w*****? Wouldn't that be offensive to people who masturbate?

What about Idiot, wouldn't that be offensive to idiots?

What about peanut? Wouldn't that be offensive to peanuts? And by extension any nut? Yeah I know, they're not sentient beings but you can rest assured there'd be some human not worth the time of moment that would take offence to it.

You can see where this is going, are we going to get to a place where on field psych out insults are going to be banned altogether?

'You're a nasty bully player', nup not allowed to say that, that's a 6 week suspension.

I'm not suggesting that Finlayson should be allowed to slur the word bunch of sticks on the field, but what is the end game? Do we get to a place to a place where the want is to police thought?

 

[Unfazed]

Maybe, but i know i was self entitled, immature and soft as butter before I was bullied. And unless there was another circuit breaker involved, I would continue to be that way.

I'm sorry but as a teacher I have seen bullying destroy young children. I have also seen bullies grow into obnoxious adults.

 

[Foxx]

You already are a prick if you think bullying is good.

Bad thing for most people, but was ultimately a good thing for me.
Sounds like yours was worse and you didn't respond as well. Sorry to hear that.

 

[Del165198]

Bad thing for most people, but was ultimately a good thing for me.
Sounds like yours was worse and you didn't respond as well. Sorry to hear that.

Your misguided view that being bullied was good for you is one thing, it was your initial statement that being bullied builds stronger humans that sounds like broscience-school of hard knocks-mumbo jumbo.

I never had particular issues with bullying myself, though thanks for implying that I did. But I know people that suffered through it and are still dealing with the trauma and have ongoing PTSD. They should probably just toughen up though.

 

[Foxx]

Your misguided view that being bullied was good for you is one thing, it was your initial statement that being bullied builds stronger humans that sounds like broscience-school of hard knocks-mumbo jumbo.

I never had particular issues with bullying myself, though thanks for implying that I did. But I know people that suffered through it and are still dealing with the trauma and have ongoing PTSD. They should probably just toughen up though.

My view is based on my experience. I've said a couple of times - which you clearly read, based on your reactions to those comments - that I understand most people are affected badly.

 

[jannissary]

the implication that bullying can be a good thing is both laughably naive and an indication of how ignorant some people are to other peoples experiences in life. i've been bullied before, it didn't really affect me, but i've seen (and witnessed) what's happened to people who're mercilessly bullied by cruel losers.

introspection is all well and good but being able to accept someone else's perspective on something like bullying is far more important because it does affect others differently

 

[Del165198]

I don't like bullying but it's one of those things that build strength and fortitude.

If we mould a mollycoddled world, we build soft people.
My workplace if full of them. Always calling is sick, etc.

You literally said it builds strength and fortitude. That's complete rubbish.

What the **** has calling in sick to do with anything? Anyone who's sick should call in sick, that's what sick leave is for, so you don't spread your germs to someone else.

And if people are taking their sick leave days because they need a mental health day, that's a good thing too. Your work doesn't give a **** about you. If you die tomorrow you'll be replaced.

 

[Foxx]

You literally said it builds strength and fortitude. That's complete rubbish.

What the * has calling in sick to do with anything? Anyone who's sick should call in sick, that's what sick leave is for, so you don't spread your germs to someone else.

And if people are taking their sick leave days because they need a mental health day, that's a good thing too. Your work doesn't give a * about you. If you die tomorrow you'll be replaced.

I know heaps of people who are soft and chuck a sicky every second week. They're not sick. They have no resilience.

 

[Del165198]

I know heaps of people who are soft and chuck a sicky every second week. Their not sick. They have no resilience.

They sound like legends with better things to do than work with a toxic campaigner like yourself.

 

[ElectricG]

I know heaps of people who are soft and chuck a sicky every second week. Their not sick. They have no resilience.

Seconded. flipping hell it’s beyond ridiculous sometimes. In a professional environment a lot of people have worked out that they benefit if they make themselves unreliable enough to ensure nobody gives them any responsibility.

 

[ElectricG]

the implication that bullying can be a good thing is both laughably naive and an indication of how ignorant some people are to other peoples experiences in life. i've been bullied before, it didn't really affect me, but i've seen (and witnessed) what's happened to people who're mercilessly bullied by cruel losers.

introspection is all well and good but being able to accept someone else's perspective on something like bullying is far more important because it does affect others differently

Agreed, bullying is never a good thing. To some extent I get his point though. Maybe it’s fairer to say something like there is a level of peer pressure that can actually build resilience in a person. To get through your entire adolescence life without ever once having a bad social interaction can’t be good for a person.

 

[Foxx]

They sound like legends with better things to do than work with a toxic campaigner like yourself.

That sounds like you're bullying.

 

[clogwearer]

I don't like bullying but it's one of those things that build strength and fortitude.

If we mould a mollycoddled world, we build soft people.
My workplace if full of them. Always calling is sick, etc.

Are you suggesting that a bit of light homophobic bullying should be allowed as it will help adult, AFL level football players to develop strength and fortitude, and prevent them from calling in sick so often?

If not, this is just some self-absorbed garbage inserted into the conversation to muddy the water further; no different from the misdirection so many others have tried before you.

If that is what you're suggesting, I'd like to see your working out.

 

[Del165198]

Agreed, bullying is never a good thing. To some extent I get his point though. Maybe it’s fairer to say something like there is a level of peer pressure that can actually build resilience in a person. To get through your entire adolescence life without ever once having a bad social interaction can’t be good for a person.

Who's been through adolescence without having a bad social interaction lol
Im guessing no one ever.

 

[Del165198]

That sounds like you're bullying.

Nah, bullying was what we did to your midfield last week.

 

[Foxx]

Are you suggesting that a bit of light homophobic bullying should be allowed as it will help adult, AFL level football players to develop strength and fortitude, and prevent them from calling in sick so often?

If not, this is just some self-absorbed garbage inserted into the conversation to muddy the water further; no different from the misdirection so many others have tried before you.

If that is what you're suggesting, I'd like to see your working out.

I'm suggesting bullying made me a better person.

 

[Bogart]

Hahaha best comment


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