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News Jobe Watson hands back 2012 Brownlow Medal

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Awesome outcome and congratulations Trent and Sammy for your tremendous achievement and great patience.
The Essendon FC ,James , head Jobe and Timmy can all go and kiss Demetrious arse.
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:drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk: There are some ****ed campaigners who support the drug cheats believing Trent and Sam should give it back because "it could just as easy happen to them"

Remind me again which team, and the only team, was found to be in breach of drug violations during the year of Cotchs deserved Brownlow win?
 

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Can't wait to boo these pathetic campaigners made the ****ing entire sport about their woe is me let us off the hook we didn't know speel for four ****ing years.
 
Perhaps and it also leaves it open for those that are taking them to get away with it.

And yes we wont keep going on, but I will just say that going by your logic there, you are happy for people to cheat and take drugs in sport as long as they don't get caught with a smoking gun?

I hate that these days when you watch sport and see something amazing, there is that though in the back of your head "yeah, but are they legit?".

Now, lets look forward to joint Brownlow winners this year, Cotch and Dusty!!
No I am not happy with that at all, but just that I don't want people who haven't done something to be accused of it that is all.

I wonder if Cotchin reflects on this Brownlow medal and remembers just how good he was in 2012. Maybe this could be his turning point to return back to that elite player again.
 
In my perspective, it remains the same for an athlete and people because in the end, they are humans too. Regulation could be tighter though to ensure substances are not taken. This is what the AFL is working towards. This saga though will probably see more AFL players and athletes in general stay away from PEDs and know which ones are banned by WADA/ASADA.

Wouldn't that then leave it open for people to get banned that are innocent of taking PEDs?

My point was that I don't agree with CAS' verdict as they don't define my morals. Yes, they are guilty of doping according to CAS but not to me as I don't see it as sufficient enough evidence. Hence, I won't call them drug cheats. But it isn't like the AFL will call me up and ask me of my opinion on CAS' verdict though lol.

That would be poor housekeeping and they would be proven guilty of that. I don't see this as clearcut evidence of doping though. You'd have to fill in the blanks and join two and two together - and this situation is open to interpretation. You could say they threw away the documents because they are doping, or were just bad at housekeeping.

According to CAS, but I personally still don't agree that their notion of "comfortably satisfied" is enough to 100% accuse them of doping. There were no witnesses coming forward or admissions of guilt.

No.





Even if it doesn't apply to WADA, it doesn't mean that I agree with it.

Yeah, but I don't agree with it.

Simply put guys (I am not going to argue further), I think that if you accuse someone of something, you got to have evidence beyond reasonable doubt that they did it. If the Essendon players and the other AFL players are happy to be subject to the rules outlined by WADA/ASADA and are happy for CAS and the AFL Tribunal to outline for them what type of evidence they require to charge them, then that is up to them.

I am not under these bodies and, from what I have understood about the information that CAS judged by, I do not agree that the circumstantial evidence they used was enough to definitively state the Essendon players doped. Again, CAS do not define my morals, so this is my view.

The players agreed to the rules so they can't complain that the rules are too harsh. Don't like the rules? Go play in the bush leagues.

The rules have to be 'guilty until proven innocent' because if you didn't have it that way, players could just dope and then in the off chance that they get busted (what with drugs being ahead of the testers), just sa 'oh, I but the doctor said it was ok'. The only exceptions to accountability are the 'doped while asleep on the operating table' defence and the 'sabotage by jealous rival' defence.

And let's not forget that Essendon players admitted to taking the banned drug AOD. It's just that some administrative **** up by either WADA or ASADA got them off the hook.

You can wring your hands all you want about it not being 'fair' but if anyone wants to play sport at the highest level, that's the deal they make. Accept the WADA code or go play one of the unsanctioned sports in the US.

I will never understand this blatant disregard for common sense when it comes to evaluating what happened. They are drug cheats and to be honest got off lightly.

I suppose you think Warnie's mum accidentally gave him that diuretic too.
 
tim watson powerbrokes the knifing of knights for hird and thompson > thompson brings in the weapon > the weapon and hird bring in dank > illegal drug program implemented > jobe watson wins the brownlow > illegal drug program busted > hird suspended then sacked > thompson gonski > jobe suspended > $10 million dollar loss > jobe's brownlow stripped and given to richmond's captain > tim watson has to read it out on the 7news

the circle of life :rainbow:

good work timbo you fking numpty :thumbsu:
 
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tim watson powerbrokes the knifing of knights for hird and thompson > thompson brings in the weapon > the weapon and hird bring in dank > illegal drug program implemented > jobe watson wins the brownlow > illegal drug program busted > hird suspended then sacked > thompson gonski > jobe suspended > $10 million dollar loss > jobe's brownlow stripped and given to richmond's captain > tim watson has to read it out on the 7news

the circle of life :rainbow:

good work timbo you fking numpty :thumbsu:
Delicious. Did he cry?
 

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tim watson powerbrokes the knifing of knights for hird and thompson > thompson brings in the weapon > the weapon and hird bring in dank > illegal drug program implemented > jobe watson wins the brownlow > illegal drug program busted > hird suspended then sacked > thompson gonski > jobe suspended > $10 million dollar loss > jobe's brownlow stripped and given to richmond's captain > tim watson has to read it out on the 7news

the circle of life :rainbow:

good work timbo you fking numpty :thumbsu:

POTY!
 

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Can't boo Jobe. He's a femminist.

You know it's going to becone an issue of Goodes proportions don't you ? It will be that drama shit story that fills papers and has those dick heads that sit on footy panel shows talking about it and how it's in-Australian and all that lame arse shit
 
You know it's going to becone an issue of Goodes proportions don't you ? It will be that drama shit story that fills papers and has those dick heads that sit on footy panel shows talking about it and how it's in-Australian and all that lame arse shit
Aussies boo cheats. Nothing un australian about it. But yeah it will become an issue.
 

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