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[Vhaluus]

David MacKay and Jordan Dawson AFL Stats Comparison

David MacKay and Jordan Dawson AFL Stats Comparison.

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Comparison between David Mackay

14

David Mackay

Age

35

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

and Dawson at 23 years of age. That being 2020 for Dawson

That is the form Dawson had before this year. He was David Mackay

14

David Mackay

Age

35

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

.

Actually he's worse than Mackay. Less tackles, less clearances, less goal assists.

We better be DAMN sure that 2021 is a level he can maintain going forward if we want to offer a first round pick for him.

 

[hey shorty]

I despise Sydney for their actions during the Pond Scum debacle.

I despise them for the systematic cheating, which resulted in them having 19 players on the field - not as the result of an accident, but a deliberate choice to send the 19th player on knowing that they were breaking the rules.

I despise them for abusing COLA, allowing them to seize Franklin & Pond Scum in consecutive years.

The list goes on, and on, and on.

In any case, Dawson's value isn't dependent upon the fact that he's from a club I despise. It's the fact that his achievements on the field simply don't justify a pick any higher than #20.

They didn't abuse it, there was no guidelines.

You're wrong again, on all counts.

 

[ContrarianCrow]

Doughty has to do what heavy hitters managers do and play this out in the media. He’s not be heard of, that’s a joke.

Agree with this 100%. Can you imagine Colin Young or Paul Connors not saying a peep if there looks like being an issue getting their players to the preferred destination?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Come on Dogga, you’ve gotta say something

This back and forth is getting tiresome

 

[Vhaluus]

Geelong paid a first round pick for Rhys Stanley FFS.

.... You and I have very different definitions of outside players....

 

[hey shorty]

David MacKay and Jordan Dawson AFL Stats Comparison

David MacKay and Jordan Dawson AFL Stats Comparison.

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Comparison between David Mackay and Dawson at 23 years of age. That being 2020 for Dawson

That is the form Dawson had before this year. He was David Mackay.

We better be DAMN sure that 2021 is a level he can maintain going forward if we want to offer a first round pick for him.

Hell Mackay actually out tackles him...

Mackay's season in 2009 was his career year, his semi final that year was as good a game as he ever had.

He went backwards before he was 23.

 

[hey shorty]

.... You and I have very different definitions of outside players....

It's even worse, no one pays that kinda pick for a very average ruck.

 

[Vhaluus]

It's even worse, no one pays that kinda pick for a very average ruck.

But that's beside the point. I was trying to show you that good sides don't pay first round draft picks for outside players with so few runs on the board.

The fact you couldn't find an example of an outside player just proves my point.

 

[Vhaluus]

Mackay's season in 2009 was his career year, his semi final that year was as good a game as he ever had.

He went backwards before he was 23.

And there is every chance that 2021 in Dawsons career year and he's going to slide backwards again.

He might not, but he might and we absolutely have to factor that into his price.

There simply isn't the body of work behind him to have faith he's going to be able to continue to produce at that level.

 

[matty p]

Find me an example of Richmond or Melbourne or even Geelong paying so much for an outside player with so few runs on the board.

The closest comparison is Melbourne trading pick 22 and a future 2nd for pick 26 and Langdon (who’d had 2 good years at the Dockers).

Melbourne’s 2022 1st is a good offer for Dawson.

 

[hey shorty]

And there is every chance that 2021 in Dawsons career year and he's going to slide backwards again.

He might not, but he might and we absolutely have to factor that into his price.

There simply isn't the body of work behind him to have faith he's going to be able to continue to produce at that level.

Every chance ??

You need to take something, it can't be healthy to be as negative as you

 

[hey shorty]

But that's beside the point. I was trying to show you that good sides don't pay first round draft picks for outside players with so few runs on the board.

The fact you couldn't find an example of an outside player just proves my point.

It wouldn't matter what I found, you wouldn't agree in any case

 

[Vhaluus]

Every chance ??

You need to take something, it can't be healthy to be as negative as you

You do realize "every chance" just means it's a possibility right?

 

[Vhaluus]

It wouldn't matter what I found, you wouldn't agree in any case

That's an odd way to admit you can't find anything.

 

[Vader]

You get what you deserve

Once again, playing the man, not the ball - because the ball's down the far end of the ground, in your own net.

 

[hey shorty]

You do realize "every chance" just means it's a possibility right?

I wouldn't say "every chance".

In an environment like Sydney's, and one we are are creating players don't go backwards.

 

[Vader]

They didn't abuse it, there was no guidelines.

You're wrong again, on all counts.

Just out of curiosity, why are you so determined to sanctify the dirtiest club in the competition? The one with a lengthy history of bending/breaking the rules at will?

 

[Redline]

I'm assuming it's bullshit.

But IF it's not bullshit, enjoy resigning with Sydney Dawson, we'll chat again in 2 years time.

Your loyalty should be to your new club not your old one.

Its just a new angle on a story not going anywhere. Rucci pulled that story mid week after claiming for two weeks no trade would be done as we wouldn't make a fair offer. As soon as it came out we had made a good offer he moved accross to this story. Hebis just death riding it.

Different if you were in contract perhaps but as if a footballer cares what compensation a club gets.

A bit like when you tell the company you work for that you have another job. You apologise for leaving them short staffed and tell them how bad you feel but deep down you don't really care.

 

[hey shorty]

Once again, playing the man, not the ball - because the ball's down the far end of the ground, in your own net.

I, and many others find your position on Sydney's dealings with us laughable....it's not just me

Like your Galactic Empire, your arguments crumble every time.

 

[Vader]

It wouldn't matter what I found, you wouldn't agree in any case

Showing us some evidence would be a good place to start. At least then we can see what you've got. Right now, you've shown us nothing - and the strong implication is that you've got nothing.

 

[DST]

Maybe a few people over here might like to eat some humble pie.

The Swans board have been consistent the last week that Dawson’s management have informed the Crows that he strongly prefers not using the PSD to complete the trade, so strongly in fact that he may well prefer to remain in Sydney if a deal can’t be reached.


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[hey shorty]

Just out of curiosity, why are you so determined to sanctify the dirtiest club in the competition? The one with a lengthy history of bending/breaking the rules at will?

Because it's simply not true.

If you'd have said Carlton, or Essendon then fine.

You're effectively trying to absolve Trigg and Co of any blame

 

[Vader]

I, and many others find your position on Sydney's dealings with us laughable....it's not just me

Like your Galactic Empire, your arguments crumble every time.

At least I have arguments... you've got nothing.

 

[Vhaluus]

The closest comparison is Melbourne trading pick 22 and a future 2nd for pick 26 and Langdon (who’d had 2 good years at the Dockers).

Melbourne’s 2022 1st is a good offer for Dawson.

Actually a really good example.

Ed Langdon and Jordan Dawson AFL Stats Comparison

Ed Langdon and Jordan Dawson AFL Stats Comparison.

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So in the year Langdon was traded he had more disposals, more clearances, more inside 50s, more score involvements.

He was also a year younger and as you say had come off TWO good years rather than one.

And he went for less than what we're offering for Dawson.

 

[hey shorty]

Maybe a few people over here might like to eat some humble pie.

The Swans board have been consistent the last week that Dawson’s management have informed the Crows that he strongly prefers not using the PSD to complete the trade, so strongly in fact that he may well prefer to remain in Sydney if a deal can’t be reached. View attachment 1256864


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Lol you wouldn't know.