Toast Lachie Fogarty - traded to Carlton

[Seeds]

Fire sale. I don't agree with the strategy but going all in on the next two seasons. Maybe this frees up coin?

Fogarty woukd be close to minimum wage.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

So what the hell happened? Everyone was crowing about his return to the team this year. A great midfield talent on the rise. Now despite being contracted we have traded him for almost nothing. Why?

We have to make room for old blokes. That's the reason. To make room for someone like Smith we need this guy to go even though he's contracted. We therefore have no leverage when dealing because we need him gone due to list crunch. It's the Caddy situation all over again, where we're giving up a contracted player for far less than we should, just because we need cap/list space for the old players we're bringing in.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Fire sale. I don't agree with the strategy but going all in on the next two seasons. Maybe this frees up coin?

Would be list space more than cap space.

 

[Seeds]

Fire sale on Geelong first-round picks over the years. Cocky and Fog gone for a couple of bags of chips. In Cockatoo's case it was understandable. This guy really did look good in his first season and even this year looked to be coming along. Now he's gone for an... 8-pick second-round upgrade and a third-round pick we won't use. Not much of a draft for us with him and Kelly both gone now.

And constable going.

we all talked about that draft as the one where wells turned it around. Its now a failed draft.

 

[gaz love x]

So what the hell happened? Everyone was crowing about his return to the team this year. A great midfield talent on the rise. Now despite being contracted we have traded him for almost nothing. Why?

List spot presumably, guessing the club rates Narkle higher who can now be retained. Although I would disagree strongly with that personally.

 

[Lana]

Fogarty woukd be close to minimum wage.

They gave him a two year extension soon after debuting, he'd be on decent coin relative to his output.

 

[Seeds]

He would have continued to struggle to get a game.

Which at his age makes him a failed pick. Everyone thought he was going to be a gun. Even mid this season.

 

[Seeds]

List spot presumably, guessing the club rates Narkle higher who can now be retained. Although I would disagree strongly with that personally.

If it was list spot we wouodnt of trade him for 2 draft picks.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

And constable going.

we all talked about that draft as the one where wells turned it around. Its now a failed draft.

The reality as much as it might hurt some here is that our record of drafting youth that become quality, consistent contributors during the 2010s is very poor. We get good value from mature-age state league recruits and have kept ourselves propped up with recycled players from other teams. Only a very small handful of young players in the team that have come through the draft, which is what Wells is renowned for being so adept at utilising to procure talent.

 

[catempire]

No he isnt

Yes he is.

 

[catempire]

Which at his age makes him a failed pick. Everyone thought he was going to be a gun. Even mid this season.

I must have missed that.

 

[gaz love x]

If it was list spot we wouodnt of trade him for 2 draft picks.

Anticipating moving multiple picks for JC which we weren't originally planning.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

If it was list spot we wouodnt of trade him for 2 draft picks.

Probably using a lot of high picks to get Cameron so will need the late picks to flesh out the list. Similar to 2015.

 

[Seeds]

The reality as much as it might hurt some here is that our record of drafting youth that become quality, consistent contributors during the 2010s is very poor. We get good value from mature-age state league recruits and have kept ourselves propped up with recycled players from other teams. Only a very small handful of young players in the team that have come through the draft, which is what Wells is renowned for being so adept at utilising to procure talent.

I dont even have a handful. From the grand final i have miers and parfit. Thats it. Henry was a rookie. Not taken with a national draft pick. Stewart was but he was an older player.

 

[Blues90]

I wanted us to draft him over obrien so I'm stoked hopefully its not for nothing and you guys get a flag in the next couple out of your list

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

I'm sure hoping #30 doesn't get sent to Nth for Higgins.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

I'm sure hoping #30 doesn't get sent to Nth for Higgins.

You know it is.

 

[00VicWard001]

Which at his age makes him a failed pick. Everyone thought he was going to be a gun. Even mid this season.

Brother, these days, most of the picks from all the teams are failed picks. Let's not make it out that its just us that have failed picks. The best thing about our failed picks? We can on-sell them to other teams lol.

I have no faith in the draft after pick 7. Academy's/zones and father sons allow the best young players to go to clubs outside of their draft ranking. The remaining top are usually able to slot into AFL teams. The smokey's and roughies (Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, Tom Stewart, Blicavs, O'Connor) - well they are just random hits - you never know how players turn out in an AFL environment. Then there are the injuries, the mental health issues, the personality clashes, the work ethic or lack there-off.

Most draftees are just depth for teams. These days, winning/professional edge comes from tried and true mercenaries.

 

[Seeds]

Brother, these days, most of the picks from all the teams are failed picks. Let's not make it out that its just us that have failed picks. The best thing about our failed picks? We can on-sell them to other teams lol.

I have no faith in the draft after pick 7. Academy's/zones and father sons allow the best young players to go to clubs outside of their draft ranking. The remaining top are usually able to slot into AFL teams. The smokey's and roughies (Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, Tom Stewart, Blicavs, O'Connor) - well they are just random hits - you never know how players turn out in an AFL environment. Then there are the injuries, the mental health issues, the personality clashes, the work ethic or lack there-off.

Most draftees are just depth for teams. These days, winning/professional edge comes from tried and true mercenaries.

Over 95 percent of players were national draftees.

 

[00VicWard001]

I dont even have a handful. From the grand final i have miers and parfit. Thats it. Henry was a rookie. Not taken with a national draft pick. Stewart was but he was an older player.

Rookies seem to work for us too.

For drafting I think they want a general physical capability and work ethic. Then they trust the internal development to get the most out of them. It is during this time when they are in our environment that we/the club identify their strengths/deficiencies. We try and get them up to speed and really do give them opportunities. Some take them (O'Connor, Miers). Others just cannot due to their limitations (Constable, Fogarty). The best thing at this time is to blood them and then use them as collateral to get new speculative picks in or seasoned mercenaries.

 

[Night90Cat]

I'm not overly concerned by this, he is behind Myers, Close and Dahlhaus, and maybe even Narkle, I think it's just an honest assessment of his contributions to the squad.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Most draftees are just depth for teams. These days, winning/professional edge comes from tried and true mercenaries.

That Richmond team that flogged us in the GF only had Nankervis, Prestia and Lynch.

Everyone else in that team was drafted, most of them as young players through the ND.

 

[STPer18]

Whatever, but if we trade pick 30 to North for Higgins I'll blow a gasket.

 

[JohnZ]

You know it is.

Willing to put that on the line?

 

[Mad_Hatter]

I didnt really rate him (due mostly to kicking, has no depth or penetration and takes ages to get ball down to the boot) but that's a terrible trade.