Liberatore vs Viney

[schmuttt]

You can't go wrong with either one TBH, based on this year. You go Viney though.

I think Libba is better right in the clinches than Viney, but Viney has dash away from a stoppage that a lot of inside mids don't. You'd be very happy with either of them.

 

[The Joker]

The gap between these 2 is about as big as the gap between the average straight males arse cheeks.

Both wonderful footballers and i would flip the coin without a care and be happy!

 

[Elite Master]

I think Libba is better right in the clinches than Viney, but Viney has dash away from a stoppage that a lot of inside mids don't. You'd be very happy with either of them.

This is what separates them. Sure Libba might be a little better on the inside but he is also older and more experienced. Viney is already very good in and around the tight ball, but that outside clearing burst of speed from congestion is invaluable. Viney is already a more complete player and no disrespect to Libba but the gap between the two will only get bigger in the coming years.

 

[Mofra]

I think Libba is better right in the clinches than Viney, but Viney has dash away from a stoppage that a lot of inside mids don't. You'd be very happy with either of them.

Viney definitely has the acceleration aspect over Libba, although part of that is covered by Libba's left leg. Topped draft camp (or top 3), and given time and space on his left he's elite (as per his goal on the weekend).
Doesn't get to use it as often as we'd like because he's almost always in traffic.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

It's nice to see a poll not end in a sh*t fight for once.

Libba with more runs on the board, Viney probably with better form this year. Neither surprising considering the age gap and Libba's injury last year. I think next year will be where we start to get a better idea as players always seem to play better in their second season coming off a knee reco.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Viney. Gone to another level this year.

 

[ManOfClay]

Viney definitely has the acceleration aspect over Libba, although part of that is covered by Libba's left leg. Topped draft camp (or top 3), and given time and space on his left he's elite (as per his goal on the weekend).
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And his right leg for that matter. Very Sam Mitchell-like as an inside mid with superb footskills

 

[Ambrosia]

This is what separates them. Sure Libba might be a little better on the inside but he is also older and more experienced. Viney is already very good in and around the tight ball, but that outside clearing burst of speed from congestion is invaluable. Viney is already a more complete player and no disrespect to Libba but the gap between the two will only get bigger in the coming years.

Can't say I agree with this assessment.

Libba has more poise and is better at disposing of the ball inside and out and seeing as Libba is coming of a knee reco I expect he has plenty of improvement left in him.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Can't say I agree with this assessment.

Libba has more poise and is better at disposing of the ball inside and out and seeing as Libba is coming of a knee reco I expect he has plenty of improvement left in him.

To my eye Viney is much better at fighting through a contested situation to get himself clear of the contest, but I'd back Libba when it comes to disposing of the ball, whether that be by hand or foot. Libba's vision is, frankly, unbelievable and his ability to pull a kick at the last moment is right up there with Murphy and Suckling at the Dogs. His long kicking is also a treat.

I think it's unquestionable that Viney has played better this year but the overall contest is too close to call for mine. I concede that I'm not an enormous Viney fan (I feel sometimes that his impact is overrated) but he is playing very well this year. Looking forward to tracking the improvement of both.

 

[Ambrosia]

To my eye Viney is much better at fighting through a contested situation to get himself clear of the contest, but I'd back Libba when it comes to disposing of the ball, whether that be by hand or foot.

The ability to fight through congestion is overrated unless you're names Dangerfield or Judd in his prime. The overwhelming majority of the top echelon of inside midfielders is made up of blokes who's best attribute is poise in congestion.

 

[Zgope1]

Viney's dash probably has him ahead by a nose. Libba's almost better in every other facet though, honestly, better disposal by hand and both feet, a psycho inside, but none of those create a big enough gap to make up for Viney's spread

 

[Trav 20]

Liberatore's third season was fantastic. His numbers in this his 6th have slowed, but Dogs supporters would have a better idea as to why. Is it still the knee, a different role, other players having stepped up, all of the above ? Overall Liberatore has been the better player.

In 2016 Viney has him well and truly covered. More disposals (28 > 22), more clearances, more centre clearances, more contested possessions, more marks, which means better spread, more tackles, and 20 more ratings points (106 > 86).

That's not to say Liberatore isn't as good/better inside, but from an all-round game point of view Viney is the better package.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Liberatore's third season was fantastic. His numbers in this his 6th have slowed, but Dogs supporters would have a better idea as to why. Is it still the knee, a different role, other players having stepped up, all of the above ? Overall Liberatore has been the better player.

In 2016 Viney has him well and truly covered. More disposals (28 > 22), more clearances, more centre clearances, more contested possessions, more marks, which means better spread, more tackles, and 20 more ratings points (106 > 86).

That's not to say Liberatore isn't as good/better inside, but from an all-round game point of view Viney is the better package.

Libba has played most of the season so far in a much different role, spending most of his time outside the contest as well as across half forward and half back. He has only played three games in what you could call his "old" role - R3 vs Hawthorn, R7 vs Adelaide and R8 vs Melbourne - and has been very good in all three of those games. I think a lot of this is just us holding him back.

He also rotates a lot more than he has previously. With us now having all of Bont/Stringer/Wallis/Dahlhaus/Stevens/Daniel/Jong rotating on-ball, we're seeing him spend a bit more time in other positions than he did earlier in his career. He's a better midfielder than all of these guys, Bont aside, but Beveridge loves switching that unit up constantly. I get the feeling he's still approaching full fitness as well.

I'd say his impact inside the contest is still building after the knee, but his numbers are lower than '13-14 mostly because of a different role. His form has certainly started to really pick up over the last fortnight though. Viney undoubtedly has had the better, more consistent season so far though, none of the above is intended to disparage that.

 

[go you pups]

Both had huge statistical games on the weekend. Both had 25 touches and a goal but the tackle numbers of both were huge. Libba is getting all the publicity for equaling the record with 19 so Viney's 16 have probably been overlooked a bit. Viney is now $21 for the Brownlow, the kid is putting in a huge season.

Viney's a great chance for the Brownlow if he keeps it up, not many at Melbourne are pinching votes off him as their next best players are talls (Gawn, Hogan etc)

Viney has a better outside game than Libba but Libba has more runs on the board on the inside. Very similar in playing style however.

 

[Ozil]

I feel like Viney is better at *getting* outside than Libba, but I'm taking Libba's ball use (inside and out) every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Edit: This reads like a knock on Viney's disposal - it's not. Libba's vision and composure is off the charts.

 

[HirdyLannister]

Great poll, I love both players (favorite one from each team) I can't split their footy ability at their best so its the personality which decides it for me. If i was in a trench on a battle field I would want Viney next to me, he is hard as nails and never backs down.
Man crush Viney

 

[schmuttt]

Surprised Viney is winning by so much tbh. Think the actual matchup is a lot closer than the poll indicates.

 

[ManOfClay]

Two terrific players.

Libba was excellent today

 

[Weagleman]

Hard to separate them, but I would go for Viney.

 

[Tulip]

[QUOTE="Dannnnnnnnnn, post: 44596201, member: 134505"]To my eye Viney is much better at fighting through a contested situation to get himself clear of the contest, but I'd back Libba when it comes to disposing of the ball, whether that be by hand or foot.

The ability to fight through congestion is overrated unless you're names Dangerfield or Judd in his prime. The overwhelming majority of the top echelon of inside midfielders is made up of blokes who's best attribute is poise in congestion.[/QUOTE]
Have you seen much of Viney this season? Half our scoring chances come from him ripping the ball out the middle and running through the pack.

 

[doggies ftw]

Great poll. Libba is becoming a genuine inside/outside goal kicking mid this year. His use off both feet is as good as any in our team.

 

[Zgope1]

yeah crazy good matchup this. Libba is just so damn good all round. I originally had Viney because he's more explosive but i'm thinking of a switch to Lib because of his ball use

 

[Gosha]

Libba. Viney can't kick.

 

[ManOfClay]

That left foot goal on Saturday from Libba... Wow

 

[00Stinger]

I give to Viney only because of his pace and better outside game.
Both are clearance beasts

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