List Mgmt. List management for 2016

[Janus]

Hombsch is significantly better than O'Shea at every facet of football other than fitness.

Somebody's forgotten how good he can be when Carlile and Trengove are in the side and he's freed up to play help defence rather than focusing on stopping the opposition's best KPF. Give me Hombsch as a 'mobile tall patrolling the backline' over O'Shea every day of the week. O'Shea will be lucky if he's even on our list next season, let alone displacing our best defender.

O'Shea also has top end speed, which is why he's better suited to defending a wider area of the ground. I'm not sure Hombsch is fast enough to play that particular role, which is purely to act as support for the other two flankers in Pittard and Broadbent (or whoever), because you have to be able to get from one side to the other pretty fast to cover a switch through the middle of the ground. If he is, or Carlile is, great - dump O'Shea and play one of them in that space and keep the other in deep defence.

I know exactly how good Hombsch can be, which is why I'm not limiting him to a secondary role. He plays the same role as O'Shea but on the last line of defence rather than the third to last line (Westhoff and Trengove being the second to last line). Like I said, if some other defender has the top end speed plus endurance of O'Shea, by all means kick him out. But mobility is the key to modern team defense, IMO. No use being the best defender of you can't get to the contest.

 

[snozulu]

Hombsch is our best key position defender by a mile.

 

[badbeats]

Jesus Christ there is some over rating and under rating of players here

 

[Jonts]

Isn't top end speed a part of the word fitness?

 

[Schulzenfest]

No use being the best defender of you can't get to the contest.

No use having fitness and speed if you can't read the play. Nobody on our list reads the play better than Hombsch. O'Shea is an excellent athlete, Hombsch is an excellent footballer.

 

[Janus]

No use having fitness and speed if you can't read the play. Nobody on our list reads the play better than Hombsch. O'Shea is an excellent athlete, Hombsch is an excellent footballer.

It's clear that you're not even listening to what I'm saying about what I believe O'Shea's role should be, probably to justify your earlier statement when you thought I was stupid enough to put O'Shea in as a true CHB. It's a support role. The plus one in defense. It doesn't require reading of the play, just the ability to get across and provide defensive cover to the flanks if required so the zonal marking doesn't break down along one wing.

If you don't think O'Shea is good enough as a player, fine - recruit someone who is good defensively and has high top end speed and endurance. But I'm using what we have at the moment.

 

[FishingRick04]

I reckon Oshea would be awesome at Hawthorn

 

[Forzaport]

I reckon Oshea would be awesome at Hawthorn

O'Shea would be awesome at any club with an excellent system - Sydney, Hawks, Bulldogs.

He's arguably having his best 'in season' year at Port since 2013 so our system must not be too shabby either this year and given the injuries we've had our defence has done bloody well.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

Great. We may get a second rounder for him after all then.

 

[TeeKray]

No use having fitness and speed if you can't read the play. Nobody on our list reads the play better than Hombsch. O'Shea is an excellent athlete, Hombsch is an excellent footballer.

O'Shea actually reads the play as well as anyone in the team. It's his skills that suck.

 

[SgtSchulz]

Remember Ah Chee will be used to entice his brother back from gold coke suns.

 

[Lagooner]

O'Shea actually reads the play as well as anyone in the team. It's his skills that suck.

Yeah his skills are certainly the biggest issue followed by his decision making under pressure. I get nervous every time he gets the ball because I don't trust him to make the right call and execute properly.

If we get offered anything below pick 35 I reckon we take it, but he is in the clique so even if there is interest from another club I can't see it happening.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Remember Ah Chee will be used to entice his brother back from gold coke suns.

Ah Chee is heading towards a one year contract at the very best. I wouldn't be surprised if he is cut or traded. Likely the former.

 

[QPower]

Rucc's article about how difficult it is to play well after a year out of the game is an interesting take on what we are likely to get out of Ryder next year.

We need to think about having a credible back-up ruckman with Lobbe looking finished at AFL level and Trengove playing out of position. Howard and Frampton are not ready should Ryder play poorly next year.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Both Ryder and Monfries are in full training, no doubt with ball skills too. The only concern I would have for Ryder is that he is receiving the proper ruck coaching. Regardless, it's a hell of a lot different to being laid up for 6 months, easing back into some low impact running on the alter-g then finally some skills work 9-10 months after the injury.

 

[Jakksynn]

Both Ryder and Monfries are in full training, no doubt with ball skills too. The only concern I would have for Ryder is that he is receiving the proper ruck coaching. Regardless, it's a hell of a lot different to being laid up for 6 months, easing back into some low impact running on the alter-g then finally some skills work 9-10 months after the injury.

I think people forget this. It's not a lay off. It's a stretch of time where they can't play games yes, but I'm sure they're be using this time to fix all those little injuries that AFL players pick up, and working on certain deficiencies in their game to ensure when they come back they're better than ever.

They'll take a bit to get back into the speed of AFL footy though. That's for sure.

 

[philthy05]

Rucc's article about how difficult it is to play well after a year out of the game is an interesting take on what we are likely to get out of Ryder next year.

We need to think about having a credible back-up ruckman with Lobbe looking finished at AFL level and Trengove playing out of position. Howard and Frampton are not ready should Ryder play poorly next year.

Firstly. If you think lobbe is done at afl level I'm gonna assume you pay absolutely no attention to half the rucks running around at afl level. Hannath has been on an afl list for years now. Hampson mr I've never had more then 25 hitouts in a game is richmonds first ruck. Lobbe isn't done at afl level. Silly statement. How the hell is he done at afl level? We dropped him because he wasn't performing to a level we wanted and hinks was using it as a method to try to coax him into producing better. The same thing he is doing with Polec right now? Do you think Polec is done at afl level?


Secondly, you claim lobbe is done at afl level , then want us to do what? Bring in an afl standard ruck as back up to Ryder in case he isn't any good or gets injured next year and Howard and frampton isn't up to it?

???? So lobbe can't play afl , but some guy who an afl team is gonna let walk to us for virtually nothing (because surely you aren't suggesting we trade the shit **** all picks and tradable assets we have for a ruck who will play sanfl and hinder frampton's development) is going to be better then lobbe ? And this said imaginary player who is better then 'done at afl level lobbe' is coming here to play sanfl at port because he really likes alberton? And hates the idea of being first ruck at a club such as Richmond ?


If we want a ready ruck on our list next year we would either have to fork out for someone who will cost us, and thereby go back to a two ruck system, or pick up the lowest cheapest spud who is happy just to be on an afl list and play sanfl. Which I don't like that we would have to try to balance playing that guy and frampton in the ruck.


I would rather draft one of the 5 decent ruck prospects this year to try to develop someone for life after Ryder and back Frampton and Howard to improve in the case Ryder gets injured.

 

[Forzaport]

It's entirely possible Lobbe could request a trade to a club where he would be the first ruck option as he's undoubtedly behind Ryder and I wouldn't be surprised if the club opts for Trengove as support in the future, especially if one of Austin/Clurey/Carlile are able to reliably shore up our key defensive posts in Trengove's temporary absence.

If Lobbe does leave then I'll be pushing for us to draft one or two ruck prospects across the national and rookie drafts.

As of right now we have Ryder, Lobbe and Frampton as rucks. Howard and Trengove would be the fourth 'break glass' options which isn't actually too bad as is.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

I want to see trengove back marshaling our defense. Which Jack as his trusty sidekick. I want to see Ryder share the ruck with another player that can rotate forward. This is why i like Lycett.

 

[thundercloud]

Have been wondering for awhile if we had kept our draftpicks as at end of footy year instead of using them for trades such as polec for kens 4 years who would have we got as per the name of the player in the draft for those picks? Realise of course that they would not have been necesarily chosen by us? Just wondering!

 

[OneGreatClub]

O'Shea would be awesome at any club with an excellent system - Sydney, Hawks, Bulldogs.

He's arguably having his best 'in season' year at Port since 2013 so our system must not be too shabby either this year and given the injuries we've had our defence has done bloody well.

Yes we really must give full credit to our makeshift defence.

 

[Visenfest]

Have been wondering for awhile if we had kept our draftpicks as at end of footy year instead of using them for trades such as polec for kens 4 years who would have we got as per the name of the player in the draft for those picks? Realise of course that they would not have been necesarily chosen by us? Just wondering!

In the Polec year we were supposedly going to draft Impey with our first pick anyway. But if you want to look at the picks we gave up for the others:

Ryder: 2014 picks 17 (Kyle Langford) and 37 (James Rose) selected.

Dixon: 2015 pick 10 (Harry McKay) and 2016 second rounder (TBC).

 

[Julia#13]

Regarding our defensive set up, would like to see something like this next year:

B: Bryne Jones, Hombsch, Trengove
HB: Pittard, Austin, Broadbent/Krakouer

Think theres enough versitality, height and run in this kind of set up.

 

[RossFC]

Have been wondering for awhile if we had kept our draftpicks as at end of footy year instead of using them for trades such as polec for kens 4 years who would have we got as per the name of the player in the draft for those picks? Realise of course that they would not have been necesarily chosen by us? Just wondering!

I remember wanting Cam McCarthy or Luke Dunstan with our first pick and Toby Nankervis with our 2nd.

We dodged a bullet with McCarthy at least.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Jordan Foote an on-baller in the best for Sydney reserves 4 of the last 5 games - on the rookie list and can't get into the Swans seniors. Worth a look compared to our midfielders.