Make an argument that Judd is not the dirtiest player in the game.

[Contra Mundum]

it sounds like you didnt read my post at all. I didnt excuse Judd of it at all, I said he should do time for it and it was stupid? Majority of what I said was about the loading Judd gets for being the most hated person in the league, which is absolutely correct

The chicken wing found its way into our game and was news years ago, not long after it found its way into league

OK I get it. He is not that dirty generally but the fact that Adams was restrained and prone somehow makes this worse than a sly one to the side of the head in a pack. A good educative tool for Carlton supporters I have found is for them to close their eyes and picture Marc Murphy with Spud Firrito on his back with Spits pulling his arm back in this way - perhaps your reaction to the "hysteria" would be different. Don't tell me: "lets not talk in hypotheticals".

As someone on the Roos Board said we expect Judd to be cleared by the Tribunal followed by Chris and Rebecca receiving a gift basket from Andy D apologising for all the trouble we have caused or perhaps Patch will be reported for forcefully waving his arm near Judd's hand

 

[AM]

I dont buy this argument. Its from the 'kick him while hes down' bullying argument where you can get away with hurting a bloke and they cant retaliate. But hes on a footy field surrounded by 17 other blokes who are backing him up. Hes as vulnerable as ever, hes never thinking "heres a chance to get this guy for free!" If you're going to hurt someone on field you know you're going to cop something back

What are you on. There's a player on the ground face down. Has his shoulders taped clearly showing he has shoulder problems -something the Visy ambassador should be fully across. And with a player on his back so he has no prospect of protecting himself while the Visy ambassador performs physical damage to his shoulder.

The honorable thing to do is to admit to the weak act and take his whack. We'll see how honorable he is during the week.

 

[JuddsABlue]

OK I get it. He is not that dirty generally but the fact that Adams was restrained and prone somehow makes this worse than a sly one to the side of the head in a pack. A good educative tool for Carlton supporters I have found is for them to close their eyes and picture Marc Murphy with Spud Firrito on his back with Spits pulling his arm back in this way - perhaps your reaction to the "hysteria" would be different. I suppose that would be completely different.

As someone on the Roos Board said we expect Judd to be cleared by the Tribunal followed by Chris and Rebecca receiving a gift basket from Andy D apologising for all the trouble we have caused

I dont think a single Carlton supporter or anybody else expects Judd to be let off. I expect 2 weeks minimum, but it could sky rocket to a huge amount. Really have no idea. It was a stupid and ugly thing to do, and if he hurt Adams seriously there would have been a lot of Carlton fans calling him out for it.

You believe different, like you believe if it was someone else I'd be acting differently. I dont believe if Nick Maxwell or Sam Mitchell did it, I'd be out witch hunting him like everyone is Judd. I dont believe anybody would. There would be a thread half the size, it would be moved to the MRP forum and people would debate the decision like any other suspension. Because its Judd we have a circus like this.

 

[royals1922]

Chris Judd - A track record

- Elbowed Baker
- Elbowed Pavlich
- Gouged Brown
- Pressure Pointed Richitelli
- Chickenwinged Adams
- Went drinking and gambling with Fevola (a known problem gamber/drinker)
- Sold Fevola down the river in the fallout
- Walked out on West Coast for cash
- Did a dodgy brown paper bag deal for cash
- Failed to protect young men in his charge (the booze cruise)

Quite honestly, he is shifty. I would not want to associate with him at all in real life.

An observation - for which club was he playing when he did these things.

Bear in mind he's played a similar amount of games for the 2 club's he's played for.

 

[Hawkforce]

You believe different, like you believe if it was someone else I'd be acting differently. I dont believe if Nick Maxwell or Sam Mitchell did it, I'd be out witch hunting him like everyone is Judd. I dont believe anybody would. There would be a thread half the size, it would be moved to the MRP forum and people would debate the decision like any other suspension. Because its Judd we have a circus like this.

If Mitchell or Riewoldt had a history of eye-gouging - and let's be honest: we all know Judd has eyegouged AT LEAST two people - then maybe you'd have a point.

But they don't. Judd has. And THAT is why so many people want to see him strung up.

Because he's got away with it too many times. Which is why he continues to do such bizarrely reprehensible acts.

6 weeks and he'll never do it again. Unless he really is a sadist.

 

[Hawkforce]

An observation - for which club was he playing when he did these things.

Bear in mind he's played a similar amount of games for the 2 club's he's played for.

Judd eyegouged Brown while in West Coast colours. And elbowed Baker.

It's not the club - it's the player.

It's how Carlton react to Judd's cruelty that defines them as a club.

 

[borrat]

Judd eyegouged Brown while in West Coast colours. And elbowed Baker.

It's not the club - it's the player.

It's how Carlton react to Judd's cruelty that defines them as a club.

you have got to be kidding dont you??

this is carlton we are talking about here the club with the worst culture of ANY club in the history or afl and maybe even other sports

 

[jonbe54]

He has history at two clubs - eye gouges, pressure points, forcing limbs out of their movement range. All of this while his opponent is helpless on the ground.

The jury is out and the AFL are guilty of letting him get away with deliberate cruelty.

People focusing on the criminal behaviour and forgetting the organization that sponsors it.

 

[chunkylover53]

Death sentence. Disgusting man who is also a criminal. Personally I hope its the chair but I think they will hang him.

 

[dumb]

i guess on the bright side it means nobody can call jarrad waite the dirtiest player in afl.

 

[Dangas]

An observation - for which club was he playing when he did these things.

Bear in mind he's played a similar amount of games for the 2 club's he's played for.

Doesn't surprise me ever since he left the legacy of the cheats he came to a club led by fraudsters, added that extra spice.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

He has history at two clubs - eye gouges, pressure points, forcing limbs out of their movement range. All of this while his opponent is helpless on the ground.

The jury is out and the AFL are guilty of letting him get away with deliberate cruelty.

People focusing on the criminal behaviour and forgetting the organization that sponsors it.

And the point is, in every one of those cases, the player was immobilised and unable to defend themselves. Real courage Judd, you gutless wonder.

And it's a very good point you make about the AFL allowing him to get away with things in the past. It's a bit like Carlton continuing to turn a blind eye on Fevola's behaviour until he disgraced himself. The AFL should have rubbed Judd out at least 2-3 times before and has failed in its duty.

I'm still trying to get over the time he eye gouged Campbell Brown. Judd got off, and Brown got one game lying to the tribunal. In other words, they didn't believe Brown that Judd didn't eye gouge him, but they DID believe Judd that he didn't eye gouge. Work that one out, and you're better than most.

 

[jonbe54]

Death sentence. Disgusting man who is also a criminal. Personally I hope its the chair but I think they will hang him.

If you deliberately tried to main someone in the street you would be a criminal. Any prosecutor would love to have the clear documentary visual evidence that has been shown against this man, its totally unambiguous deliberate attempts to cause pain and suffering to a helpless immobilized opponent. He's lucky he can hide behind the AFL and get away with it.

And of course there will always be those worshippers who will see no wrong in the god and make smart arse smarmy comments won't there?

 

[SAINTKILDA]

2 brownlows thats my argument enough said

 

[jonbe54]

2 brownlows thats my argument enough said

No its not 2 eye gouges and a number of pressure point thug acts to helpless opponents unpunished is the point - the brownlows are for best and FAIREST. He's a cheap punk thug without the guts to go head to head but relies on cheap shots. Best and fairest my arse.

 

[royals1922]

Chris Judd - A track record

- Elbowed Baker
- Elbowed Pavlich
- Gouged Brown
- Pressure Pointed Richitelli
- Chickenwinged Adams
- Went drinking and gambling with Fevola (a known problem gamber/drinker)
- Sold Fevola down the river in the fallout
- Walked out on West Coast for cash
- Did a dodgy brown paper bag deal for cash
- Failed to protect young men in his charge (the booze cruise)

Quite honestly, he is shifty. I would not want to associate with him at all in real life.

People do realise he played 134 games for the Eagles and has played only 102 for Carlton yet the majority of the acts have happened while he has been at Carlton.

Carlton have a track record of having one rule for their better players and one rule for their junior players.

 

[Corrosion]

I'd hazard a guess that Judd wouldn't care what a bunch of hysteria laden posters on a forum thought of him.

Didn't know every AFL player had to be 100% perfect robot. Carry on.

 

[jonbe54]

I'd hazard a guess that Judd wouldn't care what a bunch of hysteria laden posters on a forum thought of him.

Didn't know every AFL player had to be 100% perfect robot. Carry on.

I'd hazard a guess the 90% of posters wouldn't p1ss on him if he was on fire.

Didn't know there was one rule for the golden knob and the rest of the comp but apparently there is.

Unfounded arrogance is what Carlton and its supporters do best, glad to see you're sticking to it

 

[Corrosion]

How am I being arrogant? I couldn't care what a bunch of fans think about Judd. It is their opinion. No need to get so precious.

 

[jonbe54]

How am I being arrogant? I couldn't care what a bunch of fans think about Judd. It is their opinion. No need to get so precious.

If you can find anyway to twist what I posted as a personal attack against you then you are paranoid apart from supporting a team on the skids.

 

[JockStewart]

This is the kind of stuff we moan about when we hear it happens on a saturday night. Sure he didnt king hit someone BUT he still assualted someone while they were in a position unable to defend themslves.

Yet because

a) he is a footballer

b) he is chriss judd

It's being defended or ignored. Defended by the blues and ignored by boys club which is the melbourne footy mafia. I am sure had this been done by a non melbourne team or a nobody the media would have ebeen all over it.

Disgusting all round, but who am i to make a comment..i am just a simpleton.

I hope Chriss Dudd gets bo'ed for the rest of his playing career. BUT i wouldnt be surprised if his image as the footballer throughout time gets manipulated ala Leigh Mathews.

We have a tendency to ignore or turn a blind eye to the very dubious actions of our footballers.

 

[Falkon]

It is all a result of his West Coast upbringing. No one can deny it..

 

[Corrosion]

If you can find anyway to twist what I posted as a personal attack against you then you are paranoid apart from supporting a team on the skids.

I didn't twist what you posted to me......

You said I was sticking to some unfounded arrogance.

 

[dumb]

if i can actually approach this topic seriously for some reason..

why does a player need to be identified as the dirtiest? it's like jerking off over michael sheehan's top 50. some players are good, some players are dirty. does judd have to be the dirtiest player to be identified as dirty? no, of course not. you could probably make a convincing argument that he's a dirty player and gain far more traction from carlton fans, instead of just another discussion that's not much more than a variation on a player being 'elite'. judd has elite dirtiness, discuss.

i can admit that he's probably a dirty player, and that his saving grace with things like this is that they are relatively uncommon. but dressing it up and asking for the exclamation mark of dirtiest, who cares? being a dirty player is enough.

 

[royals1922]

It is all a result of his West Coast upbringing. No one can deny it..

Actually no.

Up to recently when they became duckers, elbowers and trippers, on the field they were relatively clean, being more offended against than offending. Off the field however....