New Aussie Skipper

[1990crow]

The cupboard is bare hence why i mentioned Shaun Marsh.

We should pack up shop before giving Shaun the test captaincy.

 

[Tulip]

There is no evidence that they were part of the group in the decision just yet.

We will wait and see.

Smith said that the leadership group made the decision. They were part of it.

 

[DaRick]

Smith said that the leadership group made the decision. They were part of it.

'Leadership group' is ill-defined and for all we know Smith might have been passing the buck.

At the moment all we have RE those two is idle conjecture. Not enough to take action on.

 

[010203]

Leadership group = Smith, Warner, Hazlewood, Starc and Lyon.

 

[The_Reaper]

Smith said that the leadership group made the decision. They were part of it.

Leadership group can mean anything.

For all we know leadership group is just the captain and vice captain.

Smith also said Lehmann wasn't involved which seems like nonsense.

 

[Outshined]

It could've been any combination of those players who were actively involved. It was a deliberately vague statement.

The buck stops with the captain.

 

[DaRick]

Leadership group = Smith, Warner, Hazlewood, Starc and Lyon.

That's not official though.

 

[Tulip]

It could've been any combination of those players who were actively involved. It was a deliberately vague statement.

The buck stops with the captain.

And extends to anyone else who was involved in the decision making process. I hope Lehmann and Warner, two of the least likeable cricketing men in recent history, shuffle out the door quietly and soon. Would help get us as a side back on track.

 

[Wet Toast Rule]

It's between M Marsh and P Cummins in the long run, but T Paine has to be it for a year or so.
Need a calm head, and somebody with a bit of experience.

A change can be refreshing sometimes.

Personally never liked Smith and Warner, always seemed like flogs.

This would fracture the team i feel though sadly .

 

[Outshined]

And extends to anyone else who was involved in the decision making process. I hope Lehmann and Warner, two of the least likeable cricketing men in recent history, shuffle out the door quietly and soon. Would help get us as a side back on track.

Lehmann will go. I can see Warner clinging on, although there has to be a point when the drama your 31 year old VC brings isn't worth the runs (which have been drying up lately anyway). Smith has to return at some stage, but whether that's to the captaincy will be another matter. Integrating him back into the dressing room will be an unenviable proposition for the new coach.

Hazlewood and Lyon haven't been mentioned at all and are rightly safe. You can't fire everyone purely by association.

 

[Tulip]

Lehmann will go. I can see Warner clinging on, although there has to be a point when the drama your 31 year old VC brings isn't worth the runs (which have been drying up lately anyway). Smith has to return at some stage, but whether that's to the captaincy will be another matter. Integrating him back into the dressing room will be an unenviable proposition for the new coach.

Hazlewood and Lyon haven't been mentioned at all and are rightly safe. You can't fire everyone purely by association.

Hazlewood, Starc and Lyon are all going to be investigated, surely? Their punishment if/when proven guilty will be less severe, but they'll still rightfully miss some cricket.

I think Smith, Bancroft, and Warner should spend a year out of the side. A severe punishment, but a deserved one for cheating in such a wanton fashion. Smith will come back, Warner will have more to prove. Renshaw and whoever opens with him will have some clear air to establish a partnership.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Paine has played 100 first class matches.

I can't see how he wouldn't be picked. Doesn't appear to be a Warner style eejit and keepers can call the play as well as anyone usually.

 

[Outshined]

Hazlewood, Starc and Lyon are all going to be investigated, surely? Their punishment if/when proven guilty will be less severe, but they'll still rightfully miss some cricket.

I think Smith, Bancroft, and Warner should spend a year out of the side. A severe punishment, but a deserved one for cheating in such a wanton fashion. Smith will come back, Warner will have more to prove. Renshaw and whoever opens with him will have some clear air to establish a partnership.

It doesn't look like it. Bancroft's been given demerits, Smith got a one-match ban. The rest will come from CA and they'll be keen to limit the damage. The last thing they'll want is to indict half the team.

If you look at the level of punishment traditionally handed out for ball tampering by the ICC and the respective cricket boards, a year is incredibly overzealous. Faf tampered twice and is still captain. Hell, Stokes beat the shit out of someone and missed one series.

Granted this was particularly galling given it came as a targeted strategy rather than a brain fade, but I can hardly see any of the culpable players spending a significant amount of time out of the game. The biggest effect this will have will be on the captaincy, given Smith seems bound to lose it. That then has a knock on effect in the future and how he handles his reduced responsibility in the side.

 

[Tulip]

It doesn't look like it. Bancroft's been given demerits, Smith got a one-match ban. The rest will come from CA and they'll be keen to limit the damage. The last thing they'll want is to indict half the team.

If you look at the level of punishment traditionally handed out for ball tampering by the ICC and the respective cricket boards, a year is incredibly overzealous. Faf tampered twice and is still captain. Hell, Stokes beat the shit out of someone and missed one series.

Granted this was particularly galling given it came as a targeted strategy rather than a brain fade, but I can hardly see any of the culpable players spending a significant amount of time out of the game. The biggest effect this will have will be on the captaincy, given Smith seems bound to lose it. That then has a pretty significant knock on effect in the future and how he handles his reduced responsibility in the side.

Faf's offences were fairly common, and rightly or wrongly (its wrongly), are generally considered to be borderline part of the game.

The ICC doesn't know the full story, but more to the point is the policy that they can only punish what they see and that the captain is in charge and takes the blame.

CA has a responsibility to this country to do the right thing. I've never seen the country more united than today, its crazy. They will try and minimise the damage, yes, and I think part of that is to get Smith and Warner away from the team for a decent period of time as they conduct a review into how this culture was allowed to flourish. People like Henry Blofeld are calling for lifetimes bans, which is OTT and won't happen, but they need time away from the squad and the squad needs time away from them.

 

[Outshined]

Faf's offences were fairly common, and rightly or wrongly (its wrongly), are generally considered to be borderline part of the game.

The ICC doesn't know the full story, but more to the point is the policy that they can only punish what they see and that the captain is in charge and takes the blame.

CA has a responsibility to this country to do the right thing. I've never seen the country more united than today, its crazy. They will try and minimise the damage, yes, and I think part of that is to get Smith and Warner away from the team for a decent period of time as they conduct a review into how this culture was allowed to flourish. People like Henry Blofeld are calling for lifetimes bans, which is OTT and won't happen, but they need time away from the squad and the squad needs time away from them.

That's a very, very slippery slope. Using mints on the shiny side or digging fingernails into the rough is acceptable and just part of the game, but sandpapering is a straight up no go? All of these methods end up impacting the condition of the ball, so surely it's all ok or none of it is.

As I said, it all stops at the captain. He's the one who ostensibly had the power to call the whole thing off. Of course, a lot of people seem to think Smith is just a mouthpiece for Lehman, but ultimately he's the one with the responsibility to ensure shit like this doesn't happen.

No offense meant to you, but the country is overreacting like crazy. The fact it's a leading story on every bulletin is absurd. It's a bad look and Smith in particular will suffer, but a ban from cricket for any significant length of time would be grossly out of proportion to what every country participating in the game has seemingly deemed tampering to be worth.

 

[DaRick]

Hazlewood, Starc and Lyon are all going to be investigated, surely? Their punishment if/when proven guilty will be less severe, but they'll still rightfully miss some cricket.

What is the extent of their involvement though? Nobody knows. Possibly being part of some undefined 'leadership group' is not by itself an offence, assuming that Smith wasn't passing the buck (all too common in these situations).

Let's wait for some evidence to crop up before considering penalties, much less bans.

I think Smith, Bancroft, and Warner should spend a year out of the side. A severe punishment, but a deserved one for cheating in such a wanton fashion. Smith will come back, Warner will have more to prove. Renshaw and whoever opens with him will have some clear air to establish a partnership.

I'm sorry, but this is grossly disproportionate to sentences usually meted out for ball tampering, or even conspiring to tamper with the ball.

Both Bancroft and Smith should be given one match bans (which Smith has been) and Smith should be stripped of the captaincy. That would be a historically severe punishment for ball tampering and conspiring to tamper with the ball.

Warner is clearly involved in some way or the other and might well lose the vice-captaincy as a result, but Smith as the captain (and having outed himself for cheating) needs to take the bigger punishment. Plus nobody knows the true extent of Warner's involvement.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

No offense meant to you, but the country is overreacting like crazy. The fact it's a leading story on every bulletin is absurd. It's a bad look and Smith in particular will suffer, but a ban from cricket for any significant length of time would be grossly out of proportion to what every country participating in the game has seemingly deemed tampering to be worth.

I completely disagree. Disgracing our country by cheating on the national stage deserves severe punishment. We need to send a strong message that it won’t be tolerated. They have been given a ridiculously amazing privilege of representing their country and they’ve wiped their asses with it.

I don’t really care what punishments other players have received from other countries. Not relevant for me.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Faf's offences were fairly common, and rightly or wrongly (its wrongly), are generally considered to be borderline part of the game.

The ICC doesn't know the full story, but more to the point is the policy that they can only punish what they see and that the captain is in charge and takes the blame.

CA has a responsibility to this country to do the right thing. I've never seen the country more united than today, its crazy. They will try and minimise the damage, yes, and I think part of that is to get Smith and Warner away from the team for a decent period of time as they conduct a review into how this culture was allowed to flourish. People like Henry Blofeld are calling for lifetimes bans, which is OTT and won't happen, but they need time away from the squad and the squad needs time away from them.

Did Henry call for that before or after lunch? Silly old bugger.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

That's a very, very slippery slope. Using mints on the shiny side or digging fingernails into the rough is acceptable and just part of the game, but sandpapering is a straight up no go? All of these methods end up impacting the condition of the ball, so surely it's all ok or none of it is.

As I said, it all stops at the captain. He's the one who ostensibly had the power to call the whole thing off. Of course, a lot of people seem to think Smith is just a mouthpiece for Lehman, but ultimately he's the one with the responsibility to ensure shit like this doesn't happen.

No offense meant to you, but the country is overreacting like crazy. The fact it's a leading story on every bulletin is absurd. It's a bad look and Smith in particular will suffer, but a ban from cricket for any significant length of time would be grossly out of proportion to what every country participating in the game has seemingly deemed tampering to be worth.

The reactions to this seem to be a form of madness, people seem to have become lost in some mire of moral indignation that I can't really understand.

 

[guruisatiger]

FINCHY

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Paine is a better bet at this stage to M Marsh

Mitch Marsh can vc if he wasn't part of the DumDum brigade that think it's still the 30s as regards visual technology.

 

[Sasquatch]

Moises is the only viable candidate. He is ready to break out like Smith did. Just needs the backing

 

[Doodlesweaver]

It's a surreal feeling.

I'm onto about my third bowl of popcorn. This is going to keep giving.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Moises is the only viable candidate. He is ready to break out like Smith did. Just needs the backing

Break out into a rash of misjudgement?

 

[Sasquatch]

Break out into a rash of misjudgement?

Nah

Break out as a prolific runscorer.