New Aussie Skipper

[Outshined]

Mitch Marsh is struggling against swing?

Better put renowned technician Pete Handscomb in.

 

[KBLT]

No I'm not. 1 fifty from 6 SA innings averaging less than 29. He's not up to it when the ball moves.
We play in England next winter. He needs to be out of the side by then or 6 is a walking wicket.

So many have been sucked in by his ton on the WACA road.
England 2015 where it swung. Averaged 12.
NZ where it swung. Averaged 9
SA in Australia where they swung it. Averaged 13 (and dropped)
SA away where it has swung and seamed. Averaging 28.

Similar has applied to Warner, and I've been critical of him for quite a while for it. Khawaja is similar and I've been critical of it.
Marsh simply is not up to the rigours of test cricket anywhere other than our flat tracks. He's not the first and won't be the last.

He's our third highest scorer this series, above his brother, Khawaja, Paine and Smith. And you can't exactly dismiss his 96 as just "one fifty". It was a match-winning knock. Two games ago. Add that on top of 4 wickets at 24.75, I don't really think you're being fair here.

As for those previous series, the guy wasn't ready then. Simple. He should never have been in the team at that point. I totally understand the hate boner you have for him after those series, but you can't judge a career on a stint in the national team when he clearly wasn't ready.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

He's our third highest scorer this series, above his brother, Khawaja, Paine and Smith. And you can't exactly dismiss his 96 as just "one fifty". It was a match-winning knock. Two games ago. Add that on top of 4 wickets at 24.75, I don't really think you're being fair here.

As for those previous series, the guy wasn't ready then. Simple. He should never have been in the team at that point. I totally understand the hate boner you have for him after those series, but you can't judge a career on a stint in the national team when he clearly wasn't ready.

Those series serve as mere supporting evidence. It's quite possible Anderson will still be playing in 15 months time seeking redemption before retiring. Broad in England is dangerous. Probably Finn as well. As far as I'm concerned his frailties against swing bowling is still evident and nothing has changed. They will absolutely go to town on it, don't know about you but even with what's happened this week I want to retain the Ashes next year.

As for his bowling he's only bowled roughly 6% of Australian overs this series, which raises the question of the validity of the argument that we need an all rounder. Any wicket he takes as a result is a bonus but not what we should be judging him on as a player. That's squarely his batting and that alone. Just like Warner whose style of batting has seen him fail numerous times in England (and more broadly away from home) and has been criticised for it, I'm well within my rights to do so here. His 96 was nice yes granted. Doesn't discredit the argument that he's failing this tour given it has swung in PE and at Cape Town and has been found wanting. So yeah little has changed. Mentioning what others have done or not done doesn't change that.

Point taken on Handscomb as he's just as shaky, that said I'm willing to give him a tour of England to make or break him. He's never had one as a measuring stick. If he can't handle the moving ball in the Ashes then he can also join the long line of players that aren't up to the level at present.

As far as I am concerned this ban period for Warner (hope it's permanent) and Smith (it won't be) serves as a great opportunity to try guys. That includes Renshaw and Burns again. IMO that includes trying Maxwell outside the subcontinent. If bowlers (as per Davey's parting shots) get taken down as well then we can try out Richardson, Sayers, Tremain, Bird and even a bolter like Winter or any other fast swing bowlers we so choose. Could see what Ferguson can do (at no.3 instead of Khawaja) as I think he got unlucky last time. I just think doing the same things over and over and expecting different results (is definition of insanity) will end predictably. In tears.

Lastly, and this is important. For the queries raised about him as a player people suggesting him as future captain are bonkers. His worthiness in the side isn't even cemented yet, let alone leading the side.

 

[kiwi4life]

Glen Maxwell.

 

[carnthemlions]

Serious question- who even wants it at the moment? That should quite honestly be the primary concern here. Forcing it on someone who isn't entirely willing won't work, we don't want to go with the India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka senior player rotation policy here.

 

[The Passenger]

Paine looks pretty sure to be the stop gap captain.

M Marsh still has to cement his place in the side and it would be a huge burden. He's moving closer towards that but still a bit to go and as has been mentioned a potentially very tough examination in England next year.

I understand the whole thing with Carey potentially pushing for Paine's spot but Paine looks to be doing enough to hold onto the spot for the next 18 months pretty comfortably.

And in that time frame there is no reason the gap from Paine to Carey won't grow. Sam Whiteman has plateaued out for various reasons as well. Carey may do the same (hopefully won't).

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Paine looks pretty sure to be the stop gap captain.

M Marsh still has to cement his place in the side and it would be a huge burden. He's moving closer towards that but still a bit to go and as has been mentioned a potentially very tough examination in England next year.

I understand the whole thing with Carey potentially pushing for Paine's spot but Paine looks to be doing enough to hold onto the spot for the next 18 months pretty comfortably.

And in that time frame there is no reason the gap from Paine to Carey won't grow. Sam Whiteman has plateaued out for various reasons as well. Carey may do the same (hopefully won't).

I think it’s wise to keep Shaun Marsh around. This will be tough for Paine in the interim, he needs a senior head as his right hand man.

 

[The Passenger]

I think it’s wise to keep Shaun Marsh around. This will be tough for Paine in the interim, he needs a senior head as his right hand man.

Yeah for sure.

Given the likely suspensions to Smith and Warner it will leave S Marsh as our most secure batsmen in the top six, which is a bit a head ****.

 

[The Speaker]

Yeah for sure.

Given the likely suspensions to Smith and Warner it will leave S Marsh as our most secure batsmen in the top six, which is a bit a head ****.

It's quite amazing. Early September 2017, Australia wins the 2nd Test against Bangladesh to draw the series 1-1, with a top seven of:

Renshaw (dropped afterwards, now recalled)
Warner (facing suspension)
Smith (suspended for next Test)
Handscomb (dropped afterwards, might be recalled)
Maxwell (dropped)
Cartwright (dropped)
Wade (dropped)

 

[The Passenger]

Also Mitch Marsh would be more secure than Khawaja in the team at the moment meaning our two most secure players in the top six are the Marsh brothers.

 

[The Speaker]

Also Mitch Marsh would be more secure than Khawaja in the team at the moment meaning our two most secure players in the top six are the Marsh brothers.

swampy's #masterplan

 

[Syd_Bombay]

The best option for Aussie skipper is George Bailey .. decent player , great team player , captaincy material and well respected everywhere ..

 

[Hamingja]

Paine looks pretty sure to be the stop gap captain.

M Marsh still has to cement his place in the side and it would be a huge burden. He's moving closer towards that but still a bit to go and as has been mentioned a potentially very tough examination in England next year.

I understand the whole thing with Carey potentially pushing for Paine's spot but Paine looks to be doing enough to hold onto the spot for the next 18 months pretty comfortably.

And in that time frame there is no reason the gap from Paine to Carey won't grow. Sam Whiteman has plateaued out for various reasons as well. Carey may do the same (hopefully won't).

Paine test captain and Carey plays ODIs and T20. Finch becomes captain of those teams.

 

[davis_756]

Mitch Marsh is struggling against swing?

Better put renowned technician Pete Handscomb in.

Just compare a player averaging mid 20s to one averaging mid 40s?

 

[eth-dog]

Bring Carey in to keep and let Paine be batsman only. Carey is a excellent team man and competitor in the mould of Gilly.
Yes...I am biased

You can't play a bloke with 1 FC century as a pure batsman. You just can't.

 

[eth-dog]

Also Mitch Marsh getting dropped. LOL. He's got more runs than all bar Bancroft and Warner. Drop Khawaja if anyone

 

[Gough]

You can't play a bloke with 1 FC century as a pure batsman. You just can't.

I'd be happy to let Paine carry on for a couple of years and ease Carey into the side through the T20 and ODI sides, as well as giving him a good solid grounding in fc cricket. It made the Healy/Gilchrist and Gilchrist/Haddin changeover almost seamless and I suspect they had Paine in mind for a similar sort of role when he was injured.

 

[eth-dog]

I'd be happy to let Paine carry on for a couple of years and ease Carey into the side through the T20 and ODI sides, as well as giving him a good solid grounding in fc cricket. It made the Healy/Gilchrist and Gilchrist/Haddin changeover almost seamless and I suspect they had Paine in mind for a similar sort of role when he was injured.

If Careu gets back to his form in the first half of the season, sure. I'm not discounting the possibility of a Whiteman re-emergence though if Carey stays with his recent FC form.

 

[Belnakor]

Smith will be back as captain

 

[Kram]

Just compare a player averaging mid 20s to one averaging mid 40s?

Grossly inflated by hammering most of his career runs on freeways at home v Pakistan.

 

[Outshined]

Just compare a player averaging mid 20s to one averaging mid 40s?

Or if we play a different averages game, 54.6 vs 34.6 over the last year. Neither are particularly representative of ability at this point.

Handscomb has a fantastic future, but given the state he was in against England, it's best to leave him out and let him continue to find his feet.

 

[Scotland]

Smith will be back as captain

Getting a feeling Smith will be back as captain soon and Warner not back as vice captain at all.

 

[Belnakor]

Getting a feeling Smith will be back as captain soon and Warner not back as vice captain at all.

CA would definitely like to have Smith as the captain for the home summer.

 

[dogs105]

CA would definitely like to have Smith as the captain for the home summer.

I won't be renewing my SACA membership if that's the the case

 

[JackOutback]

Would be surprised if Smith captains again; he's just not up to it as a personality or leader. Just let him bat.