Nick Riewoldt vs Adam Goodes

[alex 17]

Hard to compare two players fulfilling different roles for their respective clubs but who has had the better overall career?

A lot of people will automatically say Goodes based on last nights performance and Riewoldt's demise of form this year but in the bigger picture I think it is a lot closer.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Obviously Goodes because he's played 300 games, won two brownlows and a premiership.

 

[kangle4]

Riewoldt has kicked more goals but what else does he have over Goodes?

 

[Upgrayedd]

Riewoldt has kicked more goals but what else does he have over Goodes?

Pure Ayran blood?

Oh about every st kilda B&F since 2002, Leigh Matthews Trohpy and one more AA Jumper (probably will be even in 2 months)

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

I'd take Goodes at his peak.

But it's very close, both are champions.

 

[dajesmac]

Goodes by oh so much.

 

[mHmmm]

Goodes by a long way.

 

[Swans_01]

Is this thread meant to be some kind of a joke?

Goodes is arguably the best player over the last decade, and one of the greats of the game. Not even close.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Goodes is arguably the best player over the last decade

No he is not.

 

[gO_bOmBeRz]

Goodes by a long way.

 

[Swans_01]

No he is not.

I said 'arguably' not 'undisputedly', or don't you understand the definition of those two terms? Or are you biased and think that Mitchell or Franklin are Ahh well, you will find out this weekend how good the man is.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I said 'arguably' not 'undisputedly', or don't you understand the definition of those two terms? Or are you biased and think that Mitchell or Franklin are Ahh well, you will find out this weekend how good the man is.

Mitchell is nowhere near it. Buddy is only 24 so to early to tell. Though Buddy is about to get a 3rd AA and has 2 Coleman medals by 24. Goodes has 3 AAs for his entire career. By careers end it's obvious Lance Franklin will be a more decorated player than Goodes.

But players who have played in the 00s and been better than Goodes? Ablett, Lloyd, Hird, Judd, Black, Voss, Cousins, Tredrea, Hodge, Buckley, Ricciuto, Pavlich. Sure there are a few others I have missed as well.

Goodes has been a very good player and his best is very good. But there is a reason he has only had 3 All Australian years. It's called inconsistency.

 

[Swans_01]

Mitchell is nowhere near it. Buddy is only 24 so to early to tell. Though Buddy is about to get a 3rd AA and has 2 Coleman medals by 24. Goodes has 3 AAs for his entire career. By careers end it's obvious Lance Franklin will be a more decorated player than Goodes.

But players who have played in the 00s and been better than Goodes? Ablett, Lloyd, Hird, Judd, Black, Voss, Cousins, Tredrea, Hodge, Buckley, Ricciuto, Pavlich. Sure there are a few others I have missed as well.

Goodes has been a very good player and his best is very good. But there is a reason he has only had 3 All Australian years. It's called inconsistency.

Not sure if serious? I cannot believe you would list Hodge as being better than Goodes in the last ten years, are you trying to be a comedian? Because it isn't working, you are making yourself look like a fool.

There is no player that can play every position like Goodes has done and dominate at all of them. Has won 2 Brownlows and could make it three this season, one of them as a ruck and the other as a rover. If he was to win it this year it would mean he has won the Brownlow in three different positions. You have failed to mention that he is the quickest player to ever reach 300 games, which would tend to suggest that he is extremely consistent. The reason he has only won three AA's is a reflection of the selectors and the joke that the AA team is, and the fact that he plays for Sydney, not a slight on Goodes himself.

His inconsistency is also a myth, as even when he is down he is still playing to a very high level. He plays no more bad games than Judd in any given year, but for some reason people like to highlight the fact that they think he is inconsistent to somehow downgrade him as a player, when truth be known he is almost always one of our best in every game. You will learn the hard way this weekend.

The only players that would come close to matching Goodes over the last decade are Chris Judd and Gary Ablett, not anyone else of those players you have somehow listed.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Not sure if serious? I cannot believe you would list Hodge as being better than Goodes in the last ten years, are you trying to be a comedian? Because it isn't working, you are making yourself look like a fool.

There is no player that can play every position like Goodes has done and dominate at all of them. Has won 2 Brownlows and could make it three this season, one of them as a ruck and the other as a rover. If he was to win it this year it would mean he has won the Brownlow in three different positions. You have failed to mention that he is the quickest player to ever reach 300 games, which would tend to suggest that he is extremely consistent. The reason he has only won three AA's is a reflection of the selectors and the joke that the AA team is, and the fact that he plays for Sydney, not a slight on Goodes himself.

His inconsistency is also a myth, as even when he is down he is still playing to a very high level. He plays no more bad games than Judd in any given year, but for some reason people like to highlight the fact that they think he is inconsistent to somehow downgrade him as a player, when truth be known he is almost always one of our best in every game. You will learn the hard way this weekend.

The only players that would come close to matching Goodes over the last decade are Chris Judd and Gary Ablett, not anyone else of those players you have somehow listed.

Hodge = 3xAA by 26 + Norm Smith medal. Goodes = 3xAA by 31. Hodge was the second best player in the comp last year according to the player MVP, and most of the experts and media awards. I am deadly serious.

And Judd and Ablett are the only players who would come close to matching the 3xAA megastar that is Adam Goodes? Lol. You just said James Hird, Matthew Lloyd, Warren Tredrea, Michael Voss, Nathan Buckley, Ben Cousins and co are all nowhere near Goodes?

The funny thing is, you actually believe it as well.

 

[Swans_01]

Hodge = 3xAA by 26 + Norm Smith medal. Goodes = 3xAA by 31. Hodge was the second best player in the comp last year according to the player MVP, and most of the experts and media awards. I am deadly serious.

And Judd and Ablett are the only players who would come close to matching the 3xAA megastar that is Adam Goodes? Lol. You just said James Hird, Matthew Lloyd, Warren Tredrea, Michael Voss, Nathan Buckley, Ben Cousins and co are all nowhere near Goodes?

The funny thing is, you actually believe it as well.

Did you miss the part of my post where I said 'over the last decade'? And if you want to play the AA game, then I will just give you a little overview.

James Hird- 2AA over the last 10 years
Matthew Lloyd- 2AA
Warren Tredrea- 4AA
Michael Voss- 3AA
Nathan Buckley- 2AA
Ben Cousins- 4AA
Adam Goodes- Will be winning his 4th AA this year

Add to that Goodes has also won 2 Brownlows meaning he was judged the best player twice out of the last 10 years, has also won a Premiership, and been a captain of a very successful side.

And how the **** can you justify saying Hodge is better because he came second in the players MVP? Goodes has won 2 Brownlows over the last 10 years, which is the most important individual accolade a player can get.

To take a quote from your post, the funny thing is, you actually believe it as well And why did you start a thread comparing Goodes and Judd if you don't believe Goodes is that good? Defies belief.

Btw of those players you listed the only ones that would be comparable in terms of careers are Hird, Voss and Buckley. Goodes is a fair way ahead of the rest.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Btw of those players you listed the only ones that would be comparable in terms of careers are Hird, Voss and Buckley. Goodes is a fair way ahead of the rest.

You mean ahead of Ben Cousins, the 6 times All Australian, 4 time best and fairest winning, brownlow medal winning, premiership player who was cut down in his prime? Goodes = 3xAA & 2xB&F.

Cousins has double the amount of AAs & B&Fs than what Goodes does. And you say he is nowhere near him? It's like talking to a brick wall. I think that makes Cousins double the player personally. Cousins was also listed at #42 in the greatest players to ever play. Cousins>>>>>>>>>Goodes.

Or Michael Voss? 5xAA, 5xB&F, 2xMVP 3 x Premiership winning captain. You say a 3xAA, 2xB&F winner is comparable to Voss? Voss>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goodes.

This conversation is over. You are to unreasonable. Goodbye.

 

[Bugglz]

Mitchell is nowhere near it. Buddy is only 24 so to early to tell. Though Buddy is about to get a 3rd AA and has 2 Coleman medals by 24. Goodes has 3 AAs for his entire career. By careers end it's obvious Lance Franklin will be a more decorated player than Goodes.

But players who have played in the 00s and been better than Goodes? Ablett, Lloyd, Hird, Judd, Black, Voss, Cousins, Tredrea, Hodge, Buckley, Ricciuto, Pavlich. Sure there are a few others I have missed as well.

Goodes has been a very good player and his best is very good. But there is a reason he has only had 3 All Australian years. It's called inconsistency.

Goodes has been every bit as good as those players over the last 10 years....

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

I cant believe this is a serious question

 

[scaryness]

Goodes is a champion of the game and one of the best Swans of all time.

...but i accidentally voted Riewoldt

 

[alex 17]

Mitchell is nowhere near it. Buddy is only 24 so to early to tell. Though Buddy is about to get a 3rd AA and has 2 Coleman medals by 24. Goodes has 3 AAs for his entire career. By careers end it's obvious Lance Franklin will be a more decorated player than Goodes.

But players who have played in the 00s and been better than Goodes? Ablett, Lloyd, Hird, Judd, Black, Voss, Cousins, Tredrea, Hodge, Buckley, Ricciuto, Pavlich. Sure there are a few others I have missed as well.

Goodes has been a very good player and his best is very good. But there is a reason he has only had 3 All Australian years. It's called inconsistency.

Riewoldt has argubly been more consistent than Goodes over the course of their careers.
Goodes could be considered a class above him due to the two brownlows and being a more complete/versitile player who can play in the midfield and at half forward. While Riewoldt has spent his career at half forward where the best player of all time in Wayne Carey never won a brownlow.
It is no secret winning the brownlow as a Forward is hard going.

Riewoldt is a 4 X All Australian and captained the team twice and a 5 x B and F winner. Compared to Goodes who has 3 AA and 2 B and F's.
If you are comparing these achievements Riewoldt is ahead. Once again it is closer than what people think.
The defining factor between them is Goodes' last 2-3 or so years where he is still at the peak of his game whilst Riewoldt has lost it which is why I would have him ahead.

As for the other players:

Ablett, Hird, Judd and argubly Lloyd all ahead of Goodes.
Goodes on par with Voss, Cousins and Ricciuto.
Goodes ahead of Buckley, Hodge, Tredrea, Black and Pavlich.

 

[Fasta_123]

Why do AA's even come into consideration? How many players have been AA when not really worthy? Is it easier to be get nominated as a KPF for AA or midfielder? Over the last decade how many outstanding KPF's have their been? Im sure i will miss a few, however ill say my standouts, Tredrea, Lloyd, Gehrig, Hall, Pavlich, Fevola, Brown, Franklin, Reiwoldt.
9 outstanding KPF's. Pav, like Goodes plays in the midfield just as much as forward so we'll scratch them. The rest's prime were a bit before Roo's prime (Fanklin excluded). Reiwoldt is a great player no doubt. However, Goodes is in a complete different league. Probably had the best career out of anyone currently playing in the AFL.
Now who wants to name all the outstanding midfielders over the past decade. Yeah there are more spots, however, A LOT more competition.

 

[dajesmac]

Hodge = 3xAA by 26 + Norm Smith medal. Goodes = 3xAA by 31. Hodge was the second best player in the comp last year according to the player MVP, and most of the experts and media awards. I am deadly serious.

You happen to conveniently leave out Goodes' two brownlows.

 

[MF]

lol @ HAD's dummy spit.

Why don't you start a Goodes vs Hodge poll mate and see what people think?

I'd have Goodes almost on par with Hird/Buckley/Riccutio/Cousins/Voss. Which is a huge wrap.

If he can play another 50-60 games at this standard he may surpass some of them. Similarly it depends on how Judd/Ablett/Hodge finish out their careers to see where they rate. Although I don't believe Hodge will be regarded as highly as the other 3 by the end of their careers.

 

[AG]

HAD you make good arguments at times but it's slightly annoying how it normally ends up mainly pumping up a Hawks player.

fwiw I agree that some of those players are ahead of Goodes but not Hodge.

In regards to the topic. Goodes. Riewoldt not far behind though.