Nick Riewoldt

[UrLordUnbeliever]

Here's the career average stats of two CHF's of the modern era for you:

Player A - 210 Games

• 14.7 Disposals
• 7.3 Marks
• 2.4 Goals
• 1.3 Behinds
• 1.1 Tackles

Player B - 218 Games

• 16.3 Disposals
• 8.7 Marks
• 2.2 Goals
• 1.4 Behinds
• 1.3 Tackles

Looking at the above, you would say both players are equal, with Player B possibly being a bit better. One is consistently regarded as an unquestionable champion of the game, whilst the champion status of the other is being questioned in this thread.

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Funny thing is Brown's taking contested marks in the forward 50 and kicking crunch goals, while Riewoldt is taking really soft marks on the middle of the ground and missing crunch goals..

Brown is also a proven reliable goalkicker in Finals..

 

[Plugger35]

Funny thing is Brown's taking contested marks in the forward 50 and kicking crunch goals, while Riewoldt is taking really soft marks on the middle of the ground and missing crunch goals..

Brown is also a proven reliable goalkicker in Finals..

Yeah because Riewoldt never takes contested marks in the forward 50 or kicks crunch goals

Riewoldt has kicked 5 goals twice in finals against Collingwood and 4 goals in two prelims against the Bulldogs. As for Grand Finals, Brown never dominated in any of them either, the most he ever kicked was two goals, the same as Riewoldt. Don't let facts get in the way of your idiotic trolling though.

 

[Strahany]

Funny thing is Brown's taking contested marks in the forward 50 and kicking crunch goals, while Riewoldt is taking really soft marks on the middle of the ground and missing crunch goals..

Brown is also a proven reliable goalkicker in Finals..

Again, another load of tripe. There is already plenty of evidence showing Riewoldt has kicked plenty of goals in the finals. He has only ever gone missing in the Grand Finals - but have a closer look.

In 2009, it was wet and a 12 goal a side game - do you honestly expect him to kick a bag?

In the 2010 draw, again it was a low scoring affair, no one is going to kick a lot of goals themselves.

In the 2010 replay, the whole side was outplayed, hardly a surprise he didn't perform.

 

[Bollox]

Definitely a great time to put the boot in ...maybe

But he has played week in week out through a chronic injury, got his team into finals whilst at least contributing, and didnt whinge or ask for sympathy.

Its alright if you're a grunt, but you dont get the luxury as a captain and never a good time for him to have a spell and get right. I;d be very surprised if he wasnt getting injections for every game this yr.

Nothing like BigFooty to put the boot in when they're down...when they were 1 and 7 or whatever they were how would it be if he took time off.

 

[Papa Juggs]

He was on that show the other week saying he was 6/10.

At least he's honest.

 

[dook]

St Kilda have blown their chance with what has been arguably their best ever side (says alot about their history). They erred badly in appointing riewoldt captain over Hayes years ago. He should now relinquish the role to Goddard.

Agreed. He was a bad choice for captain. He just does not have the right temperament for it. Not sure Goddard does either though...

 

[Falchoon]

Just doesn't thrive on the big stage like the good captains do ala Nick Maxwell.

Admittedly Maxwell's 1 and only touch in the last quarter of the drawn GF was a good one, but........

 

[Falchoon]

Brown stands up in big games, that's why he's considered a champion.

Would be interesting to see Brown and Riewoldt v top 8/bottom 8.

Riewoldt

Finals games 17, goals 40 @ 2.35
H & A games 202, goals 433 @ 2.14

Riewoldt stands up.

 

[Jesus Baulks]

Admittedly Maxwell's 1 and only touch in the last quarter of the drawn GF was a good one, but........

Bob Rose Award (best player in finals) 2009, 2010 (equal)

Collingwood captain Nick Maxwell is a great leader
"In the rooms post-match, when mostly everyone swooned over Harry O, Leon, Heath Shaw, Swan and Pendlebury, Pies president Eddie McGuire was beaming about Maxwell. ''True captain's game,'' said Ed. Hard to argue. Back three weeks after what Matthew Lloyd termed a seven-week injury, Maxwell stood Naitanui and Cox and played his best game of the season. Even Leigh Matthews acknowledged Maxwell yesterday: ''He's a great captain, an obvious leader,'' Matthews said."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/nick-maxwell-is-a-great-leader/story-fn5937w8-1226134486888

"Time we started giving this bloke more credit as a captain and player. Bit like Rambo the way he makes teammates walk taller. "

"Nick Maxwell - 8
As desperate as ever, whether left marked by the Saints or left unattended - which he was at times. The skipper’s Steven Baker-like lunge, to thwart a Saints goal, and superb mark across half-back with less than four minutes remaining were highlights of his game."

Some blokes just step up to the plate when the moment comes, others go to ground. The two Nick's are a prime example of that.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Admittedly Maxwell's 1 and only touch in the last quarter of the drawn GF was a good one, but........

Yeh but he is the "spiritual leader" so his actual impact on the game is irrelevant

 

[teknodeejay]

I give this guy heaps when we play against him and he has had a poor year by his own standards.

Having said that, I'd take Nick Reiwoldt into the Carlton line up any day of the week, and I dare say most if not all other teams would do the same.

His form has reflected that of the Saints and a champion of the game (though no-where near the category of J Brown as a leader or W Carey as a monolith).

Maybe if St Kilda focused less on their penises and the lack of cafes in Seaford, they might play better footy.

 

[mysainters]

Watching him train this year on a few occasions opened my eyes to the extent of his injury, looked like an old man hobbling around.

Hope they can get him relatively right for next year, though I think expecations of him will need to be adjusted as it's not going to get better and get much worse.
Hopefully the longer rest this year allows him to recover a little.

 

[Plugger35]

Some blokes just step up to the plate when the moment comes, others go to ground. The two Nick's are a prime example of that.

Much easier to step up to the plate when you don't have an opponent or in Riewoldt's case two or three opponents.

 

[Jesus Baulks]

Much easier to step up to the plate when you don't have an opponent or in Riewoldt's case two or three opponents.

Right. So if Maxwell didn't have an opponent in the two GFs last year and Riewoldt had three, why didn't St.Kilda kick the ball to the 3 unmanned blokes

 

[grogan]

Saints supporters (and plenty of others) know roo is a great captain.
Magpie supporters (and plenty of others) know maxwell is a great captain end of.
As for roo let's hope he has his knee cleaned up, gets a good pre-season under his belt and comes out next year and silences his critics.

 

[Plugger35]

Right. So if Maxwell didn't have an opponent in the two GFs last year and Riewoldt had three, why didn't St.Kilda kick the ball to the 4 unmanned blokes

Good question, one of our downfalls is being too Riewoldt focused and not using other options. Still doesn't change the fact that Riewoldt usually has two or three opponents to deal with.

 

[J_Moore]

Riewoldt is ****ing awesome. Anyone suggesting he retire now, rather than being given time to work on his knees to see if anything can be done, is tripping balls.

Even on Friday, well below his peak, he was a menacing presence.

 

[GeeUUess]

Riewoldt is ****ing awesome. Anyone suggesting he retire now, rather than being given time to work on his knees to see if anything can be done, is tripping balls.

Even on Friday, well below his peak, he was a menacing presence.

Hey; I'm not going to disagree.

But had he carried Friday's form into the Saturday night game he played he might have had some influence on the match. As it was he done absolutely nothing; and only a wee bit more last week against Carlton.

At the start of the match I cringed as Teddy Richards lined up on him; thinking Riewoldt would be the difference. But Richards carved him up like a hot knife to butter.

After watching his last two games he is not in Saints top 22. McEvoy and their other talls all had good games.

I hope Saints fans have noticed I have never criticised past seasons or his future capacity; just what he done in the prior 2 weeks.

Going back to my examples in the OP. A bung knee and/or personal tragedy is no reason not to jump and contest a ball. It is also no reason to repeatedly run back and clog the space of teammates. It is also no reason to miss goals (if he can't kick why is he playing; inneficient kicking actually helps the other team; not his). It is also no reason to be up on the back pocket/flank and then wondering why the team had to kick it to a bloke like Milne or Schneider 2on1.

He can run, he can jump, he can kick and I dearly hope he can still read the play. So why wasn't he doing these things on Saturday night? A knee injury and personal tragedy is NO excuse for these specific examples.

Why? Because he ran down to the backline; he ran to clog up spaces. He can jump on his other leg. He has kicked goals this season. He has been an All Australian how many ever times so should be able to know whats going on on a footy field.

 

[Leg End]

Riewoldt is ****ing awesome. Anyone suggesting he retire now, rather than being given time to work on his knees to see if anything can be done, is tripping balls.

Even on Friday, well below his peak, he was a menacing presence.

Possibly - but on saturday he was disappointing.

 

[Hump 17]

Hey; I'm not going to disagree.

But had he carried Friday's form into the Saturday night game he played he might have had some influence on the match. As it was he done absolutely nothing; and only a wee bit more last week against Carlton.

At the start of the match I cringed as Teddy Richards lined up on him; thinking Riewoldt would be the difference. But Richards carved him up like a hot knife to butter.

After watching his last two games he is not in Saints top 22. McEvoy and their other talls all had good games.

I hope Saints fans have noticed I have never criticised past seasons or his future capacity; just what he done in the prior 2 weeks.

Going back to my examples in the OP. A bung knee and/or personal tragedy is no reason not to jump and contest a ball. It is also no reason to repeatedly run back and clog the space of teammates. It is also no reason to miss goals (if he can't kick why is he playing; inneficient kicking actually helps the other team; not his). It is also no reason to be up on the back pocket/flank and then wondering why the team had to kick it to a bloke like Milne or Schneider 2on1.

He can run, he can jump, he can kick and I dearly hope he can still read the play. So why wasn't he doing these things on Saturday night? A knee injury and personal tragedy is NO excuse for these specific examples.

Why? Because he ran down to the backline; he ran to clog up spaces. He can jump on his other leg. He has kicked goals this season. He has been an All Australian how many ever times so should be able to know whats going on on a footy field.

Tell us your taking the piss. This has to be close to the worst post ever on BF. You clearly have no idea whats so ever.

 

[Pie in the Sky]

Yeh but he is the "spiritual leader" so his actual impact on the game is irrelevant

We probably would have lost GF 1 without Maxwell in the last quarter, stats don't tell the impact that he had with a couple of his efforts.

As for this thread, Riewoldt has clearly struggled this year, probably a combination of mental and physical factors. But, he has been a great player over the years, he has played well in a number of finals and his grand finals were not as terrible as many think. I think he'll come back strong next year, maybe the best is behind him but he should still be a very good player for a couple more years if his body holds up.

 

[Falchoon]

"Nick Maxwell - 8
As desperate as ever, whether left marked by the Saints or left unattended - which he was at times. The skipper’s Steven Baker-like lunge, to thwart a Saints goal,

.... where riewoldt won the tap, roved the tap, beat 3 and tied up the game



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and superb mark across half-back with less than four minutes remaining were highlights of his game."

Some blokes just step up to the plate when the moment comes, others go to ground. The two Nick's are a prime example of that.

 

[GeeUUess]

Tell us your taking the piss. This has to be close to the worst post ever on BF. You clearly have no idea whats so ever.

Prove me wrong? Or at the very least discuss the points I put forward.

 

[saintgary]

Prove me wrong? Or at the very least discuss the points I put forward.

Prove me wrong? Or at the very least discuss the points I put forward.

Teddy Richards didn't line up on him from the first bounce. LRT did. Richards went onto to him later. So, it looks like you didn't even watch the match as your facts are wrong. And even so, Richards is very comptetent defender and probably should have made the AA squad.

He is our 2nd top goal scorer with 36 goals and leads the team in marks and so while he is extremely down on form from previous years, he defienetly deserves his spot in the side.

And to say Nick doesn't compete, just shows how little you know. One thing you couldn't say about Nick this season is that he has stopped trying. He is the hardest working player in team, despite his output.

 

[Gus]

LRT lined up on Riewoldt but Richards was on him by the time the first contest came about.