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MJ still ahead but LeBron is definitely getting very close, it's almost on par for me. A lot will depend on how LeBron goes this Finals. Another series like the last 2 years and it's hard to argue he's not on par. Then it depends on how long LeBron plays.

Looking objectively, LeBron is ahead of Jordan in a lot of areas of advanced metrics.
 
MJ still ahead but LeBron is definitely getting very close, it's almost on par for me. A lot will depend on how LeBron goes this Finals. Another series like the last 2 years and it's hard to argue he's not on par. Then it depends on how long LeBron plays.

Looking objectively, LeBron is ahead of Jordan in a lot of areas of advanced metrics.
You're a Mavs man, they're the main reason a lot of people will never rank him as the best ever. Doesn't seem right that the best ever would have a meltdown like he did in that finals in many peoples eyes.
 
LeBron beats the Golden State All Stars and the GOAT conversation becomes very real. He'll never have the off-court, cultural impact MJ had, but on court? Even the 90s Bulls would be up against it with this Warriors outfit.
 
You're a Mavs man, they're the main reason a lot of people will never rank him as the best ever. Doesn't seem right that the best ever would have a meltdown like he did in that finals in many peoples eyes.
DeShawn Stevenson in the house!!

Haha but yeah I agree with you to a degree. I don't think it was a total meltdown as such but he definitely didn't deliver on that occasion. It's also a fallacy that Jordan always delivered in similar situations.
 

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I'm 14/14 so far in my playoff bracket but it hasn't exactly been a difficult playoffs to predict. I find it hard to see the Warriors losing with their lineup, 12-0 these playoffs (with a Kawhi asterisk) and Klay Thompson has been ice cold. I'll be barracking for the Cavs like I assume most will be, really don't want to see Durant win a ring after last year. Tipping the Warriors in 5 or 6.
 
Not sure, but according to this he is meant to be at the match.

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Was that actually Mick Fanning that commented on that?
 
LeBron beats the Golden State All Stars and the GOAT conversation becomes very real. He'll never have the off-court, cultural impact MJ had, but on court? Even the 90s Bulls would be up against it with this Warriors outfit.

Sorry the 90s Bulls would smash any team going now

Much more physical game with far better defenses.

Lebron isn't and never will be close to MJ on or off field me the only reason he is beating his stats is the amount of games he has played.
 
Best advice Bevo could give the QUEENSLANDER is time to play the next generation.And to follow his blueprint.
 
Sorry the 90s Bulls would smash any team going now

Much more physical game with far better defenses.

Lebron isn't and never will be close to MJ on or off field me the only reason he is beating his stats is the amount of games he has played.
Surely it's a completely different game from back then though? GS might struggle against those tough defenses back then but the 90's teams wouldn't get away with as much now.

Dunno, maybe I'm off as I didn't see them teams play at the time.
 
Surely it's a completely different game from back then though? GS might struggle against those tough defenses back then but the 90's teams wouldn't get away with as much now.

Dunno, maybe I'm off as I didn't see them teams play at the time.

The league was far better back them with several teams capable of making the finals every year.

It's hard to compare eras obviously but it seemed a far more even comp back then and MJ still dominated against the best.

If he didn't retire for two years he most likely wins 8 titles and there is no discussion at all about who is the GOAT
 

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Let's hope the Cavs are just rusty because this game has been ugly. Klay and Draymond are a combined 5/24 and its a blowout

Cavs have absolutely zero chance of getting the title this year.

Klay has been off for some time but the ball movement of the whole side (Klay & Draymond especially) is something to behold.
 
Fair effort.. surely not first attempt?

Ha na was my 2nd :) First time I got bowled by quicker one on the offside, took me by surprise after all those legside shots
 

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EAD, Cavs. Can't even beat GS while spending an extra 25m in salary.
 
EAD, Cavs. Can't even beat GS while spending an extra 25m in salary.
GS bought their way too though. Durant was their best player again tonight.

But maybe I just don't like their initials ... or a guy that chews his mouth guard.
 
GS bought their way too though. Durant was their best player again tonight.

But maybe I just don't like their initials ... or a guy that chews his mouth guard.
Golden State mostly drafted a team that had a 73 win season, only really big players from outside of that model were Durant and Iguodala.

Cavs just buy whoever LeBron wants. Seriously, they're spending 25m more than GS this year. They're a joke.
 
Golden State mostly drafted a team that had a 73 win season, only really big players from outside of that model were Durant and Iguodala.

Cavs just buy whoever LeBron wants. Seriously, they're spending 25m more than GS this year. They're a joke.
Yeah it's interesting, take Durant out of that side and in not sure they win or at least a lot closer. He's possibly the best player in the league right now. But then again I'm openly a LeBron fan and the opposite for Curry (even if he is obviously a star - watched him live this season and he tore a side apart in a quarter).
 
As a neutral it really is like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Both Cleveland and the Warriors have contributed heavily to the state NBA is currently in and it makes it difficult to root for either of them.
 
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