Opinion Non-Crows AFL 9

[kirky]

Melbourne could fall into a heap with some of their off-field issues.

Well off field issues derailed our seasons in 2018/2019 so it will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[daniel_4tw]

Sheehan wants the Brownlow returned/reinstated to Jobe

Sheehan blames the club and a lack of support from AFL administration for what he believes is a miscarriage of justice

Seems a bit like giving Lance Armstrong his Tour de France medals back to me

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/it-is-time-for-jobe-watson-to-be-reinstated-as-the-2012-brownlow-medal-winner-writes-mike-sheahan/news-story/66d6aa526947f25ca4183cc0bad361de

They want to give the medal back to a proven drug cheat, who was on the drugs when he won the medal?

Even by AFL standards, this is amateur stuff.

Only in the AFL can you get banned for making the AFL look bad… but systematic drug cheats get to play the victim.

 

[radiojake]

They want to give the medal back to a proven drug cheat, who was on the drugs when he won the medal?

Even by AFL standards, this is amateur stuff.

Only in the AFL can you get banned for making the AFL look bad… but systematic drug cheats get to play the victim.

I read his article this morning as the rag was on a lunch table at work

He claims that Essendon players never were proven to have taken PEDs - is that legit or how is he spinning that narrative??

 

[Vader]

I read his article this morning as the rag was on a lunch table at work

He claims that Essendon players never were proven to have taken PEDs - is that legit or how is he spinning that narrative??

The Court of Arbitration for Sport found them guilty.

It was just the AFL's Mickey Mouse tribunal which didn't... strange how the result was reversed, as soon as the AFL no longer had control over the decision.

 

[treeman]

Never looked so quick or fit. Not even close.

Exactly. And that is why he doesn't deserve his Brownlow back.
Vic media recall him playing like that every season though.

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[Kane McGoodwin]

Exactly. And that is why he doesn't deserve his Brownlow back.
Vic media recall him playing like that every season though.

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& now we have to put up with him as THE most boring special commentator in the history of the AFL.

We know why his Dad couldn't coach as the IQ gene isn't high for the Watsons...

 

[daniel_4tw]

I read his article this morning as the rag was on a lunch table at work

He claims that Essendon players never were proven to have taken PEDs - is that legit or how is he spinning that narrative??

Essendon drugs verdict: 34 players guilty of doping charges and banned for 2016 season

AFL players were initially cleared of charges but have been found guilty after World Anti-Doping Agency appealed against the decision

amp.theguardian.com

Guilty.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I read his article this morning as the rag was on a lunch table at work

He claims that Essendon players never were proven to have taken PEDs - is that legit or how is he spinning that narrative??

They weren't proven to be drug cheats. However its a doping violation regardless to inject things into your body and keep no records. The going into bat for Job smacks of more the boys club elite once again deciding the rules dont apply to them and drugs dont matter in football if it targets the wrong club.

Got to remember, the boys club elite wanted to absolutely condemn the crows for the camp multiple times, they kept coming even though the crows passed every investigation the AFL and state government threw at it. But they kept coming. They tried again with Eddies book to chase the club again. However, Essendon whose players were driven blindfolded offsite to a secret location and forced to be injected with 'whatever' is 'that nots drug cheating, its not proven.'

One thing is for certain, Essendon received 35% of the level of punishment an interstate club and its players would have received.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

What is it with the AFL Media's refusal to condemn drug cheating?

We as Australians have a piss poor record when. It comes to our own drug cheats. Media's always gone soft.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Didn't Jobe actually admit to taking a banned substance on one of the footy shows? Was the week leading up to them playing Eagles in Perth and I remember the crowd booing the shit out of him.

 

[Scorpus]

They weren't proven to be drug cheats. However its a doping violation regardless to inject things into your body and keep no records. The going into bat for Job smacks of more the boys club elite once again deciding the rules dont apply to them and drugs dont matter in football if it targets the wrong club.

Got to remember, the boys club elite wanted to absolutely condemn the crows for the camp multiple times, they kept coming even though the crows passed every investigation the AFL and state government threw at it. But they kept coming. They tried again with Eddies book to chase the club again. However, Essendon whose players were driven blindfolded offsite to a secret location and forced to be injected with 'whatever' is 'that nots drug cheating, its not proven.'

One thing is for certain, Essendon received 35% of the level of punishment an interstate club and its players would have received.

The standard the media were asking to prove Essendon were cheats was ridiculous.

Yeah sure, every drug cheating regime is going to keep meticulous records of all the illegal drugs they used, they won't destroy those records, the participants will fully admit to it and everyone gets punished.

Like get real. The rules are made so that doing precisely what Essendon did is banned and classed as drug cheating. Clubs shouldn't be able to get away with it because they didn't keep records or players didn't own up or were fooled. That would clearly be a massive loop hole

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Replace Essendon with any non Victorian team and this discussion isn't happening.

 

[BRL121]

They weren't proven to be drug cheats. However its a doping violation regardless to inject things into your body and keep no records. The going into bat for Job smacks of more the boys club elite once again deciding the rules dont apply to them and drugs dont matter in football if it targets the wrong club.

Got to remember, the boys club elite wanted to absolutely condemn the crows for the camp multiple times, they kept coming even though the crows passed every investigation the AFL and state government threw at it. But they kept coming. They tried again with Eddies book to chase the club again. However, Essendon whose players were driven blindfolded offsite to a secret location and forced to be injected with 'whatever' is 'that nots drug cheating, its not proven.'

One thing is for certain, Essendon received 35% of the level of punishment an interstate club and its players would have received.

It's not clear to me that Thymosin Beta4 is a performance enhancing drug, albeit a drug prohibited by the sports bodies.
It is listed as enhancing wound healing, improving blood vessel growth and recovery from ischaemic heart, and reducing liver fibrosis.

I can't see that this is in the same class as steroid performance enhancement, so tarring everyone with the same brush is rather lazy.

Nevertheless, the rules were broken, and punishment should ensue, but we're not talking about Ben Cousins walking on water here.

 

[Scorpus]

It's not clear to me that Thymosin Beta4 is a performance enhancing drug, albeit a drug prohibited by the sports bodies.
It is listed as enhancing wound healing, improving blood vessel growth and recovery from ischaemic heart, and reducing liver fibrosis.

I can't see that this is in the same class as steroid performance enhancement, so tarring everyone with the same brush is rather lazy.

Nevertheless, the rules were broken, and punishment should ensue, but we're not talking about Ben Cousins walking on water here.

While that's true, how likely is it that modern drug cheating would be as blatant as using steroids?

With the current strict rules it was always going to be something that skirts around the edges, looks to push boundaries and goes for experimental drugs.

It's still attempting to get an unfair advantage and they should be labelled as drug cheats because of it

 

[adelaidecrows]

It's not clear to me that Thymosin Beta4 is a performance enhancing drug, albeit a drug prohibited by the sports bodies.
It is listed as enhancing wound healing, improving blood vessel growth and recovery from ischaemic heart, and reducing liver fibrosis.

I can't see that this is in the same class as steroid performance enhancement, so tarring everyone with the same brush is rather lazy.

Nevertheless, the rules were broken, and punishment should ensue, but we're not talking about Ben Cousins walking on water here.

This is the issue though. We have YouTube doctors making conclusions about drugs. If its banned by WADA its banned for a reason. End of story.

Ben never failed a drug test either.

We also dont know what they took. So its impossible to make the conclusion Essendon wasn't the same level.

 

[adelaidecrows]

While that's true, how likely is it that modern drug cheating would be as blatant as using steroids?

With the current strict rules it was always going to be something that skirts around the edges, looks to push boundaries and goes for experimental drugs.

It's still attempting to get an unfair advantage and they should be labelled as drug cheats because of it

TB4 is a convenient admission. Its unlikely they would have gone to that level of secrecy if it was just TB4

 

[GreyCrow]

The standard the media were asking to prove Essendon were cheats was ridiculous.

It should always be Essendon having to prove they weren't

Were players injected? By most accounts yes

What were they injected with? There should be records

Provide the records. If you can't why not?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We as Australians have a piss poor record when. It comes to our own drug cheats. Media's always gone soft.

Yep

"They spiked my water bottles" - Lisa Ondieki

"It was a diuretic so my cheeks didn't look puffy on tv" - Shane Warne

"It was a headache pill" - Samantha Riley

And we buy it every time

 

[Crow till I die]

& now we have to put up with him as THE most boring special commentator in the history of the AFL.

We know why his Dad couldn't coach as the IQ gene isn't high for the Watsons...

No thats wrong. I knew tims older brother a while back when we studied together and he was one of the most articulate people and a very smart operator.

 

[footy4ever]

The Court of Arbitration for Sport found them guilty.

It was just the AFL's Mickey Mouse tribunal which didn't... strange how the result was reversed, as soon as the AFL no longer had control over the decision.

Says it all.

 

[Bearded Clam]

 

[latinoheat]

Butters had signed for 2 more years taking him to 2026.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Butters had signed for 2 more years taking him to 2026.

Good for them as he is their best player.

 

[whattagun07]

Where are the posters who claimed that Butters was gone at the end of this contract?

 

[Brett Cummings]

Where are the posters who claimed that Butters was gone at the end of this contract?

He was never leaving when his mate kenny signed on.