Oppo Camp Non Eagles AFL discussion thread II

[tigger_ferret]

I get your point, but that’s seemingly an isolated case and it only cropped up a week ago. The NBA have been doing the L2M for years now. If a team wants to out themselves in the media as the world’s biggest flogs, let them.

It’s a lot easier to swallow a bad decision when the league acknowledges it was a bad decision. The AFL having never made a mistake before is an absolute farce and it burns fans out. Our umpires aren’t even full time professionals and they’re not making any mistakes if it is all to be believed, it’s a charade.

I’ve hated the L2M crap for as long as it has been around, this year the bitching about the refs has reached epic proportions and I think the L2M has contributed to that more than helped

Not sure what the best way to do it is but I do agree that admitting some of the mistakes is a good thing

 

[Keys]

In an alternate universe a free kick is paid against Rampe, Myers takes the shot from the goal square and Essendon win by a point. Sydney supporters are outraged on the basis that Myers was too far out and never likely to score so Rampe’s were inconsequential.

The AFL come out and say the correct decision was made

 

[Dylan82]

I often think that they should go through a remove as much ambiguity out of the game as possible. I can't think of many other sports that have so many rules that rely on the umpire having to be a mind reader (deliberate out of bounds, rushed behind etc).

This has always been my view as well, remove as many interpretive decisions as possible.

I'd be happy with deliberate out of bounds, rushed behinds and incorrect disposal all being cast aside entirely if it meant we could finally see consistent officiating in matches.

 

[End Game]

It'll be like when Melbourne were found not guilty of tanking but fined anyway and the umpire will get dropped for a fortnight.

Wasn't that just incredible ? The game has been in decline for years, the administrators are killing the enjoyment for the average punter. I rarely watch a game other than ours these days.

 

[ziad]

Umpire saw an infringement but did not pay the free. Nothing new here. Happens double digit times in every game.
This one had zero effect on the actual contest and therefore is the easiest to forgive IMO.

This one changed the outcome

 

[Truckosaurus]

Seeking revenge on Pendles?

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Didn't watch the video but grow up, it's 2019. Women are allowed in the coaches' box.

 

[Bender_]

Seeking revenge on Pendles?

He's going the Clarke W Griswold catch it with his coat and smack it with a hammer technique.

 

[Dylan82]

I’m sick to death of the AFL/umpires ticking everything off. Admit you made a mistake. It’s not hard, and it goes a long way to restoring faith in the umpiring system.

In the NBA, they release a report after every single game detailing all the calls and non-calls in the final two minutes, plus whether they were correct or not. Oftentimes there’s a few incorrect calls per game, they don’t fudge the books to make themselves look good. When they make a mistake they at least acknowledge it after the fact. Ultimately it doesn’t change anything, but you know that these things eventually even out, and it builds faith in the system.

I genuinely don’t recall the AFL or the umpires ever coming out and acknowledging a mistake, even on clear as day ones like this. Makes it impossible to believe them when they tick anything off, because they just don’t want to be questioned. Such a dumb approach.

With every passing week it gets easier to stop watching the non-Eagles games because of tripe like this. I get about a half of other games (combined total) in a weekend now and feel so much better for it. The fiefdom that the AFLHQ has created where they're never wrong and can do as they please without any repercussions is a joke and became too hard for me to stomach when they announced the proposed rule changes and the subsequent "gentleman's agreement" mid last year, and us winning the premiership is the only thing that keeps me clinging on at the moment.

Completely agree with these examples.

The conduct of the AFL Comission is downright embarrassing, yet completely expected given the way it is setup.

For example, let's compare how the most successful such body on the planet does things:

The Football Association (FA) is the governing body of association football in England, the Crown dependencies of Jersey, Guernsey, and the Isle of Man. It is responsible for overseeing all aspects of the amateur and professional game in its territory.​

The AFL Commission is the official governing body of Australian rules football and the Australian Football League (AFL), the sport's elite national competition.​

Not too bad, two governing bodies, fair enough.

That's where the similarity ends, however:

• The FA sanctions all competitive football matches within its remit at national level, and indirectly at local level through the county football associations.

All of England's professional football teams are members of the Football Association. Although it does not run the day-to-day operations of the Premier League, it has veto power over the appointment of the League Chairman and Chief Executive and over any changes to league rules. The English Football League, made up of the three fully professional divisions below the Premier League, is self-governing, subject to the FA's sanctions.​

• The AFL Commission has a simple structure. There are formal corporate titles for members which currently consists of a chairman whose role is to oversee meetings and a Chief executive officer who typically also oversees the operations of the Australian Football League.

Commissioners are elected by the 18 AFL clubs, who each are entitled to make nominations. Should an election be necessary, then the membership is decided by a vote of the AFL clubs. Under the current constitution, member clubs have the power to veto commission decisions with a two thirds vote.​

In one example you have a top-level competition that is sanctioned by an independent governing body for all competitions and teams nationally that has the right to veto the executive and any rule changes.

In the other you have a top-level competition that is sanctioned by a governing body that shares the same CEO and whose membership is decided by the members of the top-level competition alone.


Unfortunately it is very clear that we have a situation where the governing body of the AFL is accountable to no-one but itself - and the only thing they are concerned about is the continued monetisation of their product, with a view that less "problems" will lead to greater revenues.

This leads to Orwellian levels of doublethink where the game requires constant improvement and rule changes, yet at the same time anything in regard to the game itself could never be considered less than perfect.


And still compared to every other sporting administration in the country, they appear as benchmark professionals.

 

[Luuuc]

This one changed the outcome

Not paying the free absolutely changed the outcome.
The incident itself had zero impact, which is why out of all of the missed decisions throughout the game, this was the least-important one.

 

[Keys]

Be nice if Carlton can keep this up and roll Collingwood.

Won’t happen but it’d be nice regardless

 

[HoneyBadger35]

This leads to Orwellian levels of doublethink where the game requires constant improvement and rule changes, yet at the same time anything in regard to the game itself could never be considered less than perfect.

This is a perfect way of putting it.

The game is terrific and cannot be questioned. All decisions are ticked off. There are no problems, until the off-season arrives in which case it’s time to tweak and clarify the many flaws and improve our game. Unreal and illogical cycle.

 

[Mulldogg]

Pies massively getting the rub of the green from the umps in this one

EDIT - just checked 20-7 Collingwood’s way. Literally an arm chair ride from the umpires

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Can only picture the melts if we were down five at 3QT against Carlton at home.

Tough season this year, just win any way you can.

 

[Shuestar13]

Can only picture the melts if we were down five at 3QT against Carlton at home.

Tough season this year, just win any way you can.

Oh yeah. Just take a gander out our Gameday thread so far... Some posts from there last few hours. Game is nowhere near starting yet too

 

[ziad]

Not paying the free absolutely changed the outcome.
The incident itself had zero impact, which is why out of all of the missed decisions throughout the game, this was the least-important one.

Fortunately then it is open to umpires to ignore the laws of the game as the wish.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Patrick Cripps kicks a clutch goal to cap a massive day. **** he’s good.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Three goals in two minutes, and Carlton swing it back from on the brink of game over to a very crucial lead.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

If Carlton win this game I will hate them like 80% less.

- Played Eagle Rock on the loudspeakers earlier (supposedly, and if so, you'd think the major factor in this game)
- Putting a huge dent in Collingwood's top 2 hopes.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Carlton, who are 2-19 in their past 21, are on the verge of a win against Collingwood at the G.

Collingwood currently up 24-7 in the free kick count, this is all being done as Collingwood are getting a ride.

This season is ****ed. Everyone needs to chill on the melts, it’s a very weird year.

 

[wadeallday]

24-7 the free kick count collingwood

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Plowman is having some sort of game. Goodness me, what a stoic effort.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Carlton defenders can’t buy a free right now. Getting absolutely rocked and held at every opportunity. Who’d be a defender?

 

[Avalor]

Hard luck Carlton. I had my hopes up you could do it.

 

[Avalor]

24-7 the free kick count collingwood

That's absurd. Noise of affirmation???