Oppo Camp Non Eagles Discussion Thread

[Ochre]

Carey actually strongly backed out of that afterwards, not sure if that's been covered in the news stories. When he realises somethings gone too far and other's don't, you have a problem.

 

[the harry]

Thanks, but if I'm the one speaking reason what chance do we have?

Oh we're totally ****ed. But still, good job.

 

[kane249]

You can't make this up, from the Freo board....

The bell they have is the most irritating noise ive ever heard

Some of them have short memories it seems

 

[Brer Bear]

How dare anyone be offended by "good blokes" making a joke about drowning a woman as a fundraiser.

A person, who's making it about gender? Oh the mighty SJWs. Sorry.
Honestly I wish it was about Barrett they were making the joke about, would have been even funnier.

 

[Brer Bear]

There are so many, many journos who are worse at their job than Caro, dig up more filth, spread more lies, that get absolute none of what she does. At some point, you just have to ask as to why that might be.

Really? Who else? I would say both her and Barrett are on par. I can't think of any worse.

 

[jatz14]

Really? Who else? I would say both her and Barrett are on par. I can't think of any worse.

Your right, let's drown her then.

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[sey666]

Really? Who else? I would say both her and Barrett are on par. I can't think of any worse.

Can't think anyone else either

 

[SpaceClef]

i can definitely see why people find it amusing to make politically incorrect jokes - simply because it's so wrong, and there's something cathartic about behaving in the complete opposite way that we are meant to.

But what makes these issues so bloody frustrating is the outrage from those who choose to ignore (or simply can't grasp) the negative effects that jokes like this can have, so that they can defend their right to make themselves feel better by 'breaking the rules'

I'm against overt political correctness when it comes to things like censoring books at Uni because they might contain a rape scene and it might trigger a student, but shit like this from McGuire should be confined to his lounge room with his mates. It serves no purpose whatsoever except a cheap shot at a journo and reinforces people's views that women aren't entitled to an opinion re: sport.

Not to mention the obvious (role model advocating violence against women) - and if you think that McGuire would have made that joke about anyone other than a female then you're deluded.

 

[the harry]

Really? Who else? I would say both her and Barrett are on par. I can't think of any worse.

Name the ones that are better, it'll be a shorter list.

Rohan Connolly is worse, Mike Sheehan is worse, John Ralph is comfortably worse, Barrett dives in dumpsters for medical records, Patrick Smith. And these are the "professional" ones, can I include all the ex players who are terrible too?

 

[sey666]

Name the ones that are better, it'll be a shorter list.

Rohan Connolly is worse, Mike Sheehan is worse, John Ralph is comfortably worse, Barrett dives in dumpsters for medical records, Patrick Smith. And these are the "professional" ones, can I include all the ex players who are terrible too?

Just out of curiosity, did you forget these two or do you actually rate them?

 

[La Dolce Vita]

So, joking about harming a women that irritates them, in a week the AFL is campaigning against violence against women, while Bartel is being lauded for his stand on domestic violence.

From a club president that has just become responsible for a netball team and a women's football team.

A level of ******* stupidity that makes Scott look like a level headed genius

They should reconsider giving them the women's licence, because almost certainly some of the women involved will have been victims.

What's he going to say to them?

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lol you know this how exactly ? The permanently outraged can make it up as they go along i suppose

 

[the harry]

Just out of curiosity, did you forget these two or do you actually rate them?

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They were low hanging fruit and figured it went without saying. But they are probably the worst two.

 

[sey666]

They were low hanging fruit and figured it went without saying. But they are probably the worst two.

 

[Keys]

Caroline Wilson is a football journalist who rarely writes about actual football. Her stories are almost exclusively about what happens off field which makes it easy to compare her to a gossip columnist rather than a sports reporter

No doubt she has done well to work her way up to the position she has and she's well connected in the industry especially as a female in a male dominated sport. Can't have been easy

That said she's prone to pushing agendas and is often incorrect something that doesn't endear her to a lot of people.

I don't particularly like her as a journalist which puts her on a long list as our sport isn't blessed with quality reporting - too big a focus on scandal/upheaval rather than intelligent analysis of what happens on field

Two club presidents joking about drowning someone isn't a good look but the focus on Wilson being female pits this discussion somewhere it doesn't need to be. Saying she gets criticised or attacked because she's female gives her a free pass from scrutiny as a poor journalist

Slobbo, fat prick smith, Hutchy, Barrett etc all get mocked for being useless so why should Caro be immune. Do have a crack at them being idiots for wanting to drown someone but leave the sexist agenda out of it

Emma Quayle is a female sports reporter that I rarely see criticised because her work is usually of a high standard.

Maybe people should question why it is that Wilson attracts criticism and look beyond just her gender when searching for clues

 

[Godfather32]

Caroline Wilson is a football journalist who rarely writes about actual football. Her stories are almost exclusively about what happens off field which makes it easy to compare her to a gossip columnist rather than a sports reporter

No doubt she has done well to work her way up to the position she has and she's well connected in the industry especially as a female in a male dominated sport. Can't have been easy

That said she's prone to pushing agendas and is often incorrect something that doesn't endear her to a lot of people.

I don't particularly like her as a journalist which puts her on a long list as our sport isn't blessed with quality reporting - too big a focus on scandal/upheaval rather than intelligent analysis of what happens on field

Two club presidents joking about drowning someone isn't a good look but the focus on Wilson being female pits this discussion somewhere it doesn't need to be. Saying she gets criticised or attacked because she's female gives her a free pass from scrutiny as a poor journalist

Slobbo, fat prick smith, Hutchy, Barrett etc all get mocked for being useless so why should Caro be immune. Do have a crack at them being idiots for wanting to drown someone but leave the sexist agenda out of it

Emma Quayle is a female sports reporter that I rarely see criticised because her work is usually of a high standard.

Maybe people should question why it is that Wilson attracts criticism and look beyond just her gender when searching for clues

But then everyone can't act all offended for a couple of days.

 

[the harry]

Maybe people should question why it is that Wilson attracts criticism and look beyond just her gender when searching for clues

The argument only works if people of equal or lesser standard receive equal or worse treatment. When those people are not receiving similar treatment, it is no longer the standard of their work that is the determining factor.

Find an example of:
Comments regarding the dress sense of male reporters/commentators, even if they fall short of a manikin on TFS;
A group of media personalities suggesting they'd pay 50k to drown someone else; and
Caro getting facts wrong to the same extent as Robbo did Re Collingwood and the drugs.

Then, look up how much flack:
Hutchy got when his company was taken to fair work for modern day slavery;
Barrett got for diving in dumpsters; and
Walls, Ralph, Connolly ect got for pushing their agendas so relentlessly.

 

[jatz14]

lol you know this how exactly ? The permanently outraged can make it up as they go along i suppose

Statistics make it a strong likelihood, hence the word `probably`, you know that word, it means it is not certain.
Did Eddie know that none had a problem with domestic violence when he made light hearted reference to it? You can imagine what Eddie will say if a domestic violence situation develops with any of the many women soon to be in his charge. `Oh my god, your boyfriend beat you, what an idiot, he should have drowned you in a pool, kidding, kidding, don`t get all upset, my god you women cannot take a joke`

 

[jatz14]

lol you know this how exactly ? The permanently outraged can make it up as they go along i suppose

As a follow up, I manage a small workplace, and in the years I have done this, I had 1 female employee tailed to work by an ex boyfriend that had been threatening her (she was relatively alone there), and had to work out what I would do if he turned up violent. I also had to manage time off for her at one point because her parents thought she needed to leave town for her own safety. I had another employee involved with a friend of hers who had to give birth in hospital under an anonymous identification number, because her partner was so violent he may have attacked her, in hospital, while pregnant if he had found out where she was.

So yes, I do know absolutely, that over the next several years, some of the women Eddie has under his charge will suffer domestic violence. Given the number of women involved, it will be a recurring issue.

I also have no problem with the fact you think I am outraged at what Eddie and co said. I would be having a bit of a look at myself if I was not at least a bit outraged to be frank.

 

[Keys]

Statistics make it a strong likelihood, hence the word `probably`, you know that word, it means it is not certain.
Did Eddie know that none had a problem with domestic violence when he made light hearted reference to it? You can imagine what Eddie will say if a domestic violence situation develops with any of the many women soon to be in his charge. `Oh my god, your boyfriend beat you, what an idiot, he should have drowned you in a pool, kidding, kidding, don`t get all upset, my god you women cannot take a joke`

Whilst I understand that domestic violence is a serious problem and that mens (myself included)attitude to it can be overly flippant, I also think there is a tendency for people to take things too literally at times. Does anyone really believe that Eddie was actually going to drown her - it was a bad joke but it was a long long way from a statement of intent

Maybe I'm a bad person but I can laugh at the what do you tell a woman with two black eyes joke but I would never accept a man ever doing that or even contemplating it

 

[jatz14]

Whilst I understand that domestic violence is a serious problem and that mens (myself included)attitude to it can be overly flippant, I also think there is a tendency for people to take things too literally at times. Does anyone really believe that Eddie was actually going to drown her - it was a bad joke but it was a long long way from a statement of intent

Maybe I'm a bad person but I can laugh at the what do you tell a woman with two black eyes joke but I would never accept a man ever doing that or even contemplating it

In any critique of Australia I have heard, one of the most often raised criticisms is Australians acceptance of and engagement in casual racism, casual sexism etc. We do not like overt, hostile displays of racism or sexism, but dress it up with a laugh, and then anything is fair.

I played in an amateur club, when an Aboriginal player joined. The racist jokes that were said to him and around him beggared believe, always with a comment of, he doesn't mind, he is a team mate, he knows it is all said in fun. He would just nod and smile and agree, but what else was he going to do? Complain and be the trouble-making whinging Abo? Leave and go to another club where he would probably get the same or worse? He was basically put into a position of being complicit in his own racial abuse, as the price of wanting to play footy. To my embarrassment I never said anything (was pretty young at the time). No one else did either. The guys doing this were nice guys, but the racist jokes were just continual, and it gave me a bit of an insight to what it must be like living in Australia where racist comments, dressed up with a laugh can be directed at Aboriginal people in a pretty never ending stream.
There is also a fairly entrenched culture of casual sexism, which you can usually hear at any footy club. Say anything you like about women, as long as it is dressed with laughter, and is not about my daughter. Eddies comment fits comfortably into this culture. It was said with a laugh, and he was not really intending to murder her, so no harm no foul? What if the joke was about raping her instead? Murder/rape, pretty equivalent I would have thought.

What did you think of the Malaysian politician who just won the election there, who once joked about an Australian nun that had been r*ped and murdered, along the lines of, as leader of the province, he should have been offered first go.

He did not actually rape or murder her, it was not a statement of intent, just a bad joke. In fact, I do not think he thought it a bad joke, he though it a good joke, there were just a lot of unfunny, pc people who didn't get it. Did you get it? Can you explain it to me?

I am not young anymore.

 

[Galileo9]

I just cant think under what circumstances what they said would be considered funny.

She has written stuff about them and they should have known comments like that would be seen as hostile.

You can't just laugh it off. It's outright bullying under the circumstances. But they are all within afl boys club so their mate McLaughlin will look after them.

However if it was a WCE president, we would be threatened with all sorts of sanctions.

 

[avishka5]

Caroline Wilson is a football journalist who rarely writes about actual football. Her stories are almost exclusively about what happens off field which makes it easy to compare her to a gossip columnist rather than a sports reporter

No doubt she has done well to work her way up to the position she has and she's well connected in the industry especially as a female in a male dominated sport. Can't have been easy

That said she's prone to pushing agendas and is often incorrect something that doesn't endear her to a lot of people.

I don't particularly like her as a journalist which puts her on a long list as our sport isn't blessed with quality reporting - too big a focus on scandal/upheaval rather than intelligent analysis of what happens on field

Two club presidents joking about drowning someone isn't a good look but the focus on Wilson being female pits this discussion somewhere it doesn't need to be. Saying she gets criticised or attacked because she's female gives her a free pass from scrutiny as a poor journalist

Slobbo, fat prick smith, Hutchy, Barrett etc all get mocked for being useless so why should Caro be immune. Do have a crack at them being idiots for wanting to drown someone but leave the sexist agenda out of it

Emma Quayle is a female sports reporter that I rarely see criticised because her work is usually of a high standard.

Maybe people should question why it is that Wilson attracts criticism and look beyond just her gender when searching for clues

Wait, wasn't it quayle and that rita women that broke the Daniel chick news on Grand final day? i dont see a lot of Quayles stuff but all the stuff i have seen have infuriated me,

 

[Keys]

What did you think of the Malaysian politician who just won the election there, who once joked about an Australian nun that had been r*ped and murdered, along the lines of, as leader of the province, he should have been offered first go.

He did not actually rape or murder her, it was not a statement of intent, just a bad joke. In fact, I do not think he thought it a bad joke, he though it a good joke, there were just a lot of unfunny, pc people who didn't get it. Did you get it? Can you explain it to me?

First I've heard of this so not across the details

I will draw the distinction that the nun was r*ped so for the politician to joke about something that actually occurred is poor and not funny. Say for example that someone punched Caroline Wilson in the face and Eddie came out and said he'd like to pay that bloke $50k then he'd deserve the outrage that would follow.

In this instance what he said wasn't funny nor do I think it would be funny if he was talking about Robbo instead - I just don't think it is evidence of him being inherently sexist. His comments about the female TV presenter he "boned" a few years back is a far better example of that accusation.

 

[Keys]

Wait, wasn't it quayle and that rita women that broke the Daniel chick news on Grand final day? i dont see a lot of Quayles stuff but all the stuff i have seen have infuriated me,

Rita the fat chick eater yes

I don't recall Emma Quayle being involved in that story at all - most of her work is done around the draft each year but she does write on other things as well. Knows the draft better than most

 

[bUCKET__]

I will draw the distinction that the nun was r*ped so for the politician to joke about something that actually occurred is poor and not funny. Say for example that someone punched Caroline Wilson in the face and Eddie came out and said he'd like to pay that bloke $50k then he'd deserve the outrage that would follow.

Would McGinnity's joke about Mrs Petterd be okay with you too then (in the sense that even if it's not funny, it shouldn't cause outrage)? That comment from McGinnity also seems to fit this criteria.

Not trying to be argumentative, and I think the distinction you make is a really important one for understanding humour. E.g. exaggeration, caricature, etc all rely on people accepting that this isn't actually what happens in order to be funny. Must be also something else to it in cases of offensive jokes though, right? For instance, whilst it's not something that is actually happening to Caro Wilson, it's happening on a wide enough scale to be rubbing salt in a hell of a lot of wounds. To not even recognise the widespread suffering like this makes someone culpable. That's just one suggestion of what else might be going on, perhaps there's other things too.

I think Spacey is right, enjoying offensive humour comes with accepting the responsibility to understand why it actually offends. Offense is a great tool to get people to reflect on their actions, a really powerful way of getting a message across. But this doesn't give stupid campaigners the right to offend. Stupid campaigners want the right to offend without the responsibility that comes with it to acknowledge the broader difficulties for people around us.

A show like South Park does offense well in a way that generates thought about complex issues, a crude joke from Eddie or the badger doesn't do anything except ignore a problem that actually does exist: at best it's insensitive, but at worst it's reinforcing prejudices that are part of the actual problem.